Reporting Illegal Immigrants

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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Snorrrrrr…
If you speak Spanish so well why do you have to translate anything? I also never recieved a formal education in Spanish language, I was trying to level with my camarada because he was getting into an emotional tirade, so I emotioned him back in the way I’d speak to another man verbally. I am NOT a poet laureate in my native language, I write English superior, but I TRY at every opportunity to use and improve my Spanish when the opportunity presents itself. And, BTW, my words were quite effective, he backed off the argument and saw my point of view, something you have failed to do to me in our own dispute.

So obviously there is some method to my madness.

Real talk. You assume illegal immigrants give more than they take, I simply called you on this. You’re attack on my lack of economic theoretical knowledge is unfounde. You assume but you don’t know. I don’t need to triple buff my words or pull out a GMAT vocabularly to look formidable. Your tiring run on sentences are of no worth here.

I am saying that, illegal immigration is not beneficial economically for the following reasons…

  1. The illegals send a large percentage of the money they earn outside of the country, bolstering the GDP of Mexico. This is similar to a company such as BMW or Toyota sending profits overseas, the only difference is, the Mexican illegals, do not create jobs, and do not fully pay taxes. I tis more of a losing situation from my perspective.

However…If the Mexicans spend this on US products (like Chevy Trucks, Coca Cola and Anal Porno), then this would come back into the economy. However, I doubt a large percentage of it does reinvest in the USA by way of Mexican importation of US goods.

  1. Illegal Mexicans do pay taxes indirectly through purchases however…you make the assumption that the money they make would be be un-circulated, if they were not here. The only that without them the money would not be circulated would be if it were in savings accounts, which might be the case in some situations. However, if American laborers, built said weathy person’s deck, not only would the money circulate but they’d have to pay more taxes.

  2. Illegal Mexicans provide no tax revenue to the USA. Aside from purchases, Illegal Mexicans really provide no tax revenue for the country, from what I understand, some do pay into social security, through some sort of government program that allows them to get an SS card. Not all of them do this, aside from this, they do not directly pay in.

  3. Illegal Mexicans use government services… Hospitals, Schools, Police Action, Jail Cells, Roads…etcetera. If you do not think their burden is particularly heavy or damaging, then… why the fuck is California a moment away from total economic collapse? If you do not see a connection between Californian leniency, huge entitlement programs, lack of legality verification, and 1/2 of the countries illegal Mexican laborer population living there as an impetus to a complete financial meltdown then…perhaps you should invest the therapy down syndrome kids get?

  4. Illegal Mexicans provide no global economic advantage for the United States. They cannot own or start business on the books. If they do, they do not hire American people. A large percentage of their profits go back to Mexico. Their earning are never taxed.

If you were to argue that they provide a cheap labor force for the USA to compete with other countries, you’d be saying that they are able to be hired without penalty by major US companies thus shipping jobs back stateside. Unfortunately, this is not the case, and even if it were, their tax money wouldn’t be in the USA, as they are undocumented.

The only argument I could see you making, is their landscaping and deck building capabilitis, have freed young citizen males time up to pursue higher level machinist work, factory jobs and advanced education. Unfortunately, this is not the case, instead it has just created a situation where United States unemployment is 3x that of Mexico, and our plebian males hover around 20% unemployment, because they are lowballed out of traditional work.

Seriously, if you are such a goddamn super computer? Riddle me this. How the fuck do illegal Mexican laborers, swarming domestic service industry jobs, do anything for our country’s wealth on a local or global scale? Plz pretty plz tell us all Mr. Iniac hyper processor!

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[quote]tuchavito wrote:

[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:
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These people ARE shit, which is why it is completely appropriate to treat them as such.[/quote]

I get your point, but come on, USA invaded a country and killed lot of people, and i’m not calling you a murderer, you had nothing to do with that, so i din’t.

An uncle of mine was caitizen of your country and he was murdered and not because of that i’m thinking that every citizen of USA is a murderer.

A friend of mine was raped, beated down, tortured and finally murdered, BY mexicans, so what’s the difference?? i know that not every mexican is like them, because I’M NOT, and i swear that if i ever get to know who did it i’ll rip their assholes in two.

It’s time to stop hating and diving us from each other, we are human being who habitate the same planet.

Let us be the ones who end with all the racism, hate and all that shit.

WE are brothers, i care a shit in wich country we live.

I want to stop with that chain of racism and individualism,

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It is called subjugation of the weak by the strong, imperialism 101, but those days are over I would argue.

Individualism is the way to go…who cares about the collective?

Regardless, as others have stated, your posts are complete nonsense and it would be generous of you to take this bleeding-heart crap elsewhere.

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I just spent two months in a small border town in Arizona and I kissed the cold, snowy, frozen ground the minute I got back. There is so much that the media fails to report the outside world from these places. While I was there a US border station was fired upon from Mexico, and Border Patrol agent was shot by a drug smuggler, a Federal Officer was almost run over by an illegal who was trying to get back to mexico and I can’t count the shootings and bailouts during road stops by the locals. But the violent crime is not even the true problem because I addmit that there is plenty of “crim”-animals here that we call US citizens.

The real problem is the amount of money spent by tax payers on the people that should not even be here. I don’t know how it became my responsibility (any taxpayers) to educate, house, feed, and care for medically a person who entered illegally into the country. Now in NY we are being delayed our tax returns because the state has no money. When Americans who are working or want to be working are having a hard time making ends meet I don’t know how liberal bleeding hearts can live with them selves saying we as Americans should care about a fense jumper’s family. And to say illegals are doing nothing wrong? Calling Illegal immigrants undoccumented aliens is like calling drug dealers unlicensed pharmacists. If our government would wakeup we could help our own people more and let other government worry about their own people.

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[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

Snorrrrrr…
If you speak Spanish so well why do you have to translate anything? I also never recieved a formal education in Spanish language, I was trying to level with my camarada because he was getting into an emotional tirade, so I emotioned him back in the way I’d speak to another man verbally. I am NOT a poet laureate in my native language, I write English superior, but I TRY at every opportunity to use and improve my Spanish when the opportunity presents itself. And, BTW, my words were quite effective, he backed off the argument and saw my point of view, something you have failed to do to me in our own dispute.

So obviously there is some method to my madness.

Real talk. You assume illegal immigrants give more than they take, I simply called you on this. You’re attack on my lack of economic theoretical knowledge is unfounde. You assume but you don’t know. I don’t need to triple buff my words or pull out a GMAT vocabularly to look formidable. Your tiring run on sentences are of no worth here.

I am saying that, illegal immigration is not beneficial economically for the following reasons…

  1. The illegals send a large percentage of the money they earn outside of the country, bolstering the GDP of Mexico. This is similar to a company such as BMW or Toyota sending profits overseas, the only difference is, the Mexican illegals, do not create jobs, and do not fully pay taxes. I tis more of a losing situation from my perspective.

However…If the Mexicans spend this on US products (like Chevy Trucks, Coca Cola and Anal Porno), then this would come back into the economy. However, I doubt a large percentage of it does reinvest in the USA by way of Mexican importation of US goods.

  1. Illegal Mexicans do pay taxes indirectly through purchases however…you make the assumption that the money they make would be be un-circulated, if they were not here. The only that without them the money would not be circulated would be if it were in savings accounts, which might be the case in some situations. However, if American laborers, built said weathy person’s deck, not only would the money circulate but they’d have to pay more taxes.

  2. Illegal Mexicans provide no tax revenue to the USA. Aside from purchases, Illegal Mexicans really provide no tax revenue for the country, from what I understand, some do pay into social security, through some sort of government program that allows them to get an SS card. Not all of them do this, aside from this, they do not directly pay in.

  3. Illegal Mexicans use government services… Hospitals, Schools, Police Action, Jail Cells, Roads…etcetera. If you do not think their burden is particularly heavy or damaging, then… why the fuck is California a moment away from total economic collapse? If you do not see a connection between Californian leniency, huge entitlement programs, lack of legality verification, and 1/2 of the countries illegal Mexican laborer population living there as an impetus to a complete financial meltdown then…perhaps you should invest the therapy down syndrome kids get?

  4. Illegal Mexicans provide no global economic advantage for the United States. They cannot own or start business on the books. If they do, they do not hire American people. A large percentage of their profits go back to Mexico. Their earning are never taxed.

If you were to argue that they provide a cheap labor force for the USA to compete with other countries, you’d be saying that they are able to be hired without penalty by major US companies thus shipping jobs back stateside. Unfortunately, this is not the case, and even if it were, their tax money wouldn’t be in the USA, as they are undocumented.

The only argument I could see you making, is their landscaping and deck building capabilitis, have freed young citizen males time up to pursue higher level machinist work, factory jobs and advanced education. Unfortunately, this is not the case, instead it has just created a situation where United States unemployment is 3x that of Mexico, and our plebian males hover around 20% unemployment, because they are lowballed out of traditional work.

Seriously, if you are such a goddamn super computer? Riddle me this. How the fuck do illegal Mexican laborers, swarming domestic service industry jobs, do anything for our country’s wealth on a local or global scale? Plz pretty plz tell us all Mr. Iniac hyper processor!

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Please read:

So that you get at least a base-level understanding of how things work, have the tools to analyze critically how they apply to this case, and are able to articulate an argument that posits your new-found knowledge. I, by no means, intend to be condescending or patronizing. But I guarantee you that, if you follow my advice, it will be a positive transformational experience for you. You can do it! :slight_smile:

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[quote]HBSBound wrote:

Please read:

So that you get at least a base-level understanding of how things work, have the tools to analyze critically how they apply to this case, and are able to articulate an argument that posits your new-found knowledge. I, by no means, intend to be condescending or patronizing. But I guarantee you that, if you follow my advice, it will be a positive transformational experience for you. You can do it! :)[/quote]
Nice cop out weakling.

You don’t know my background. Obviously, you’re afraid of my post. Anyone who read it, can see that there are solid ideas and arguments within the piece which you have refused to address because you are stumped.

Thanks for the link to the federal income tax. Can you please tell me what percentage of illegal immigrants fill out a w-2? I think the only way they pay income tax, is perhaps, if by chance they work at a restaurant and the employer files it for them.

It seems you lack the cognitive abilities to infer that, the guys who stand in front homedepot do not file a w-2 for very ‘trabajo’ they do.

So now you have to save some kind of face by putting links to some remedial books on Amazon.com in order to protect your damaged pseudo-intellectuality.

That is the only way you know to get out of this, since you are entirely incapable of proving or justifying how a group of the population that sends half their wage overseas, do not pay taxes, use government services, and work (non-exportable) luxury and service industries, bolster this country’s economy on a local or global level.

I don’t need a fundamental review, I need you to pull your head out of your pompous ass, and give everyone in this thread the ‘intellectual superiority’, you’ve been sounding off about for the last two pages.

Put your money where your mouth is. If you are such a mental juggernaught, why don’t you hyper intelligent yourself out of your own baseless assumptions you’ve drowned yourself in. I with only a few college business classes, have put a hole in your piece of shit assertion that illegals give more than they take.

So please, MAKE ME LOOK LIKE A FOOL, TELL ME HOW THE ARGUMENTS I’VE MADE ARE WRONG!
TELL ME MAN, I WANNA HEAR IT, AND SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE!!! TELL ME!!!

Or not, cuz as of right now, you’ve completely failed. Another internet einstein gets exposed for the self-inflated joke he is.

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[quote]drewh wrote:
Stop calling them illegals they are people.[/quote]

Maybe, but they are also Criminals.

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[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:

[quote]drewh wrote:
Why don’t you move then you’re the minority there. It’s going to be a problem regardless, I’m guessing they aren’t all undocumented (proper terminology you don’t have to say those people either).[/quote]

liberal pussy bitch

yeah…I went there[/quote]

L O L !!

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Who else wants HBSbounds hyper intelligent cocky ass to explain, in his super financial terms, (since hes so much more advanced than all of us), how illegals give more than they take to the US economy, government and system?

He seems really sure of it, and likes to talk alot of shit. I think it’s time for the Iniac to compute something, don’t you guys?!!?!?

HBSBound, MAN UP PUSSY, REFUTE MY ARGUMENTS!!! I TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU!

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Mods? Please? The self-righteous, short sighted, entitled, judgmental (and dare I say idiotic?) dialog really needs to be cast into the cesspool of PWI… [/quote]

Don’t Censor us!!

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[quote]drewh wrote:

[quote]The Greek wrote:

[quote]Billy Whizz wrote:

[quote]The Greek wrote:

[quote]Totenkopf wrote:
Why should I move? I was born and raised here. Houston,Texas,The United States of America is my birth right. These people weren’t born here. They sure as hell didn’t earn the right to be here. Btw,im using the terminology “Illegal” because they are not here legally. They broke the law. Therefore they are “Illegal Immigrants” Hey I can knock them down a notch and call them “Illegal Aliens” if I wanted to dehumanize them even further.[/quote]

Why worry about racism. Get these fuckin illegal ass scumbag motherfuckers out of America and send em back to where they belong, so they can fuck up their own country instead of ours. [/quote]

I get how illegal immigrants can be a problem. But going as far as calling them “scumbag motherfuckers” is uncalled for. If I lived a place like Mexico and the US was just across the border, hell, I would do the run-and-jump into San Diego immediately.

These people live in places are are just god-awful and then they see the self-styled land of the fre,e where everyone can do what they want. A land that already has a history of major immigration, so it’s only natural that they go there.

This doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t deal with the problem of illegal immigration. It just means that hating them just for being immigrants is idiotic.[/quote]

I don’t hate them for being immigrants. I would consider any individual who makes a meaningful contribution to society productive. Although I have an issue with illegal immigration, it is not so much with the few who are productive and obey the laws of this country. But when you hear about the cocksuckers that the OP is describing, I say DEPORT THESE MOTHERFUCKERS AS SOON AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE.
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There are assholes that aren’t immigrants you do realize this. [/quote]

But we’re not talking about them, please stay on topic…

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[quote]Steve8867 wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Mods? Please? The self-righteous, short sighted, entitled, judgmental (and dare I say idiotic?) dialog really needs to be cast into the cesspool of PWI… [/quote]

Don’t Censor us!![/quote]

If this is what PWI is all about, talking about things like illegal immigration, why is it so hated on this site when clearly a lot of people think like we do?

sorry for this off topic post.

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[quote]cryptik wrote:
If we would just shoot these fucks as they are crossing the border we would not have these issues. [/quote]

Don’t see why we don’t.

Invade my home and you sure as hell would.

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SERIOUSLY, THE U.S. SHOULD JUST F@#$% TAKE OVER MEXICO ALREADY. I KNOW THAT SOUNDS LIKE A JOKE, BUT ALL THINGS CONSIDERED, THE U.S. SERIOUSLY SHOULD THROW OUT THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENT AND MAKE IT PART OF THE U.S. WITH THE SAME LAWS, RIGHTS, AND ALL ELSE. PROBLEM SOLVED. NO MORE MEXICAN ILLEGALS JUST MORE U.S. CITIZENS C0NTRIBUTING TO U.S. SOCIETY AS A WHOLE. WE HAVE ENOUGH CHEAP IMPORTED GOODS FROM OTHER COUNTRIES SO THERE IS NO REAL BENEFIT TO KEEPING THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENTAL SYSTEM IN POWER AND KEEPING MEXICO SEPARATE, UNLESS I’M MISSING SOMETHING. OH, AND IF MEXICANS HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, THEN MAYBE THEY SHOULD ALL GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS COUNTRY AND GO BACK TO MEXICO. OTHERWISE WELCOME TO THE NEW STATES OF AMERICA AND NEW U.S. CITIZENSHIP.

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[quote]drewh wrote:
Wow some of these comments are scary, you all are assholes plain and simple and I see there is no point arguing with you. I never said they weren’t a problem, I simply said to stop calling them illegal and be a little kinder. This terminology spreads especially to your kids, you have zero idea what it’s like to be called an alien or illegal, kids actually cry about being called these words.

And if you can’t realize most of this country is just a bunch of stolen land or that you came from immigrants too, you’re an idiot. “But we stole the U.S. fair and square damn immgrints” “I deserve to be an American I mean my parents fucked here, I don’t wanna share any of the opportunity I have fuck that.”

And someone mentioned shooting them fuck you, if you break the law we should kill you huh.

My last post on the subject because talking to mini Tom Tancredo’s is a huge waste of time.

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Sounds like “someone” is speaking from “personal” experience.

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[quote]drewh wrote:
God damnit you made me do it. It is not ok, there have been 13,000 deaths from people trying to cross into Germany. Anti-immigrant attitide is everywhere.

Oh and blue fingas they actually boost the economy by an estimated 1 percent not much but it kills the argument that they butcher the economy. Look at any point in history immigranta are blamed for economic problems.[/quote]

“My last post on the subject because talking to mini Tom Tancredo’s is a huge waste of time.”

Dude stop lying to us lol!

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[quote]btbnashua wrote:
Let’s get to the nitty-gritty:

The illegal immigration problem will solve itself shortly, just like the liberals want it.

You see, children of illegal immigrants born in the US are US citizens. Now, assume that of the 15-20 million illegal immigrants in this country, they have a minimum of 2.5 to 3 million US born children. When these children get to voting age, they will form a major voting block. What do you think will happen when this voting block auctions off its vote to the highest bidder? You don’t think that a major party isn’t going to try to obtain these votes by promising to (A) pass a law making US citizens of the parents, retroactive to the day they first splashed across the border; (B) pass a law which allows these parents to obtain social security benefits based on the wages they earned udner the table–and of course the word of the illegals would have to be accepted on what wages they earned under the table; (C) pass a law that fast tracks into US citizenship all foreign relatives of this new voting block.

Of course this will happen.

If you suggest this future to a liberal, he’ll act shocked, shocked that you suggest that this will happen.

When it actually does hapen, the liberals will be dancing with the illegals in the street celebrating how they put one over on middle america–again… [/quote]

Your head is where smart happens!!

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[quote]drewh wrote:
Wow some of these comments are scary, you all are assholes plain and simple and I see there is no point arguing with you. I never said they weren’t a problem, I simply said to stop calling them illegal and be a little kinder. This terminology spreads especially to your kids, you have zero idea what it’s like to be called an alien or illegal, kids actually cry about being called these words.

And if you can’t realize most of this country is just a bunch of stolen land or that you came from immigrants too, you’re an idiot. “But we stole the U.S. fair and square damn immgrints” “I deserve to be an American I mean my parents fucked here, I don’t wanna share any of the opportunity I have fuck that.”

And someone mentioned shooting them fuck you, if you break the law we should kill you huh.

My last post on the subject because talking to mini Tom Tancredo’s is a huge waste of time.

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To your first comments, they are here illegally. That makes them illegals, and if their children are so weak and feeble as to become disfunctional over their parents being called illegals, then maybe they need to be weeded out of the gene pool. Children, for a very long time have survived far worse just fine.
To your other comments. Realize this DUMBASS. No land here was “Stolen”. This land was conquered. There is a huge difference. God btw, didn’t come down from heaven and grant rights to these lands to the Indians. They came from somewhere else and took over what was here and those tribes not nomadic, conquered hunting grounds from other tribes. The Aztecs, as a matter of fact conquered enormous amounts of lands from other tribes far more brutally then the white man did with the Indians. People have been conquering land from others since the beginning of civilization. Pull your head out of your ass and try leaning some real facts about history.
One more thing. Seeing that your location states “Japan”, who the fuck are you to comment anything about what happens here, FUCKTARD!

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Q. What constitutes a crime?
A. Breaking the law

Q. What is a criminal?
A. A person who breaks the law

Q. Whats is 8USC 1325.
A. Makes entry into the US at other than an inspection station a CRIME.

For all you logical people, lets do some logic.

If criminal = someon who commits a crime
and
If Entry without inspection = A crime
then
Someone who enters without inspection (undoccumented alien) = CRIMINAL

You wanted to look at this logically not emotionally. Here its is, logically they are criminals.

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Y’all Know Nothing.

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Sweden does not share a border with mexico so how can you say that we know nothing?