Soooooooo many threads on this forum turn into a debate on religion, so why not just have one? some people are suprised by the views of some people on this forum who speak of their beliefs and at the same time are racist,sexist,ect… I contend that ALL religions teach hate in one form or another so why are people suprised? they are only spouting off what they were taught. come on how about a debate??
Hate is a result of man. Jesus never hated. Those who believe in Him should strive to be more like him. Hate is a human characteristic. Dont confuse spirituality with religion.
Please don’t go here. it’s Baran that spawns off all the religious debate. He uses religion to support his bigotry and hatred. Keep in mind his religion does NOT support his views, he is just excessivly immature. This is my take, I respect all people of all religions (that includes atheism because that in it self is a religion). What ever is the best way for one communicate to God then thats what they should be. If you choose to be an atheist, who cares, thats your personal choice then so be it. That is your choice and I am certain you have good reasons for being one. Religions don’t teach hate, people teach hate using religion to back up thier agenda. There is a huge difference. There are religions I don’t like probably because I don’t understand them, but I don’t disrespect the people with in them…It’s thier business. Now, thanks to this post, we are going to see a string of responses with “Jason R Baran” on them trying to come up with historical references as to why Jews are bad and Blacks are inferior…Thanks Can’t we all just get along?
Religion is created by man, not by God. Religion itself may teach hate (although I think hate is a strong word for what I think you are trying to say) but its not religion that will get you to heaven. As goldberg said, Jesus doesnt hate, its man that hates. Religion or good works wont get you to heaven. Each person has to personally accept Jesus for their Lord and Saviour. There is only one way to heaven and thats through Jesus. And yes we do have to strive to be more like Him. Believing that there is a God doesnt mean anything if you dont live a life that is pleasing to God and that does God’s will; after all, even the devil believe in God.
Religon is a joke!
The fact is when we die we are dead we cease to exist period. Unless anyone can offer me ANY type of SCIENTIFIC proof otherwise I will NOT beleive. (Faith give me a break!)
What is more likely? Man was afraid to die so he told himself (or his kids) “When we die we still live-we go to heaven”
It is human nature to be afraid & re assure yourself-which is what the Bible is.
Evolution is A SCIENTIFIC FACT. If you choose not to beleive it you might as well choose not to believe water is H2O! Why do women have yolk sacs for eggs? (We don't use them anymore) Why is a chimp 99% the same as us genetically. Why was a Dinsaur our first bird?
I am not gay but “Homosexuality is a sin” “it is a choice” BULLSHIT! Recent evidence tell sus you are born that way-GENETIC, it is not a choice-homosexuality occurs in nature (animals) in the exact same percentage of humans-Gee!
What God is THE God?! All religons say theres is…Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Indians (with many Gods!)
The Bible also preaches that women are inferior, If Adam and eve was true we would all be retards (SCEINTIFICALY IMPOSIBLE!!!)
Bottom line prove it with Science or something else other than “Faith” or shut up!
I could have Faith in Return Of The Jedi does that mean it is real?! Well the ridiculous nonsence in the Bible is MORE FICTIONAL in nature thsn Star Wars!!
Yes, religon causes hate or at the very leate extreme predujust!
Also Christian means “Christ like” I don’t know any so called Christian who doesn’t: Judge anybody, have pre-marital sex, drink, have preide, etc. ALL OF WHICH THE BIBLE FORBIDS.
ALSO DO YOU REALLY THINK “JESUS IS COMING BACK?!”
I’d bet all the money in the world & MY SOUL (Soul= more mumbo jumbo) HE WILL NEVER COME BACK!
According to some we were created in the image of God. So why are most of us fat bastards who can’t see our dicks. I would think God would at least have a six pack.
Hetey, when god works out does he train to failure?
What chritian ever says they are perfect? Of course they sin. Man sins. Christians are human. duh. And evolution is not scientific fact. If it was fact, all scientists would agree on it. My anatomy teacher doesnt believe in evolution and neither did one of my biology teachers. And we are not 99% the same as chimps. We are not even 99% the same as our parents and they had us. I agree that there is some evidence for evolution. but wouldnt you agree that matter can neither be created nor destroyed. from what i hear that is a scientific fact. so how did the matter that cant be created get here. nobody can explain that except through a creater. now i dont believe that the earth is only 6,000 years old. i believe that we cant understand all of the bible. especially since we read a translation of a translation. that is never totally accurate.
Let me get this straight, not that I haven’t heard it before.The billions of people on earth that don’t accept Jesus are not going to heaven? All the other faiths than christian are damned to hell?.. I was raised christian, but sorry, I don’t buy it! I try to follow the commandments merely because it’s the right thing to do.I respect others regardless of color, gender or orientation. I’m honest, and lend a hand when some one needs one. So I’m going to hell(if there is one) because I don’t follow one of the many christian doctrines? Organized religion is not the least bit devine. The bible states(in some deep passage, I know not where) that you shall have no idols… how many people bend down and kiss the pope’s ring or robes… he is a false god, no? The guy is only a figure head. The Roman Catholics prey to Mother Mary. What’s that all about? We had moved and my daughter’s Godparents came out, When we were getting our daughter baptised the priest stated that we had to be going to the church for 6 months before he would baptise her. So I was wondering… do any of you biblical scolars out there know if John the Baptist said to Jesus… "Hey man, I’m sorry dude, but you have to be my shadow for awhile before I can do my gig on ya. Another time, my sister in law was getting comfirmed. The church was jammed to the rafters.They past the plate, then came up with some excuse to pass it around a second time! This is greed is it not??
Religion is one thing, but the “church” is just a perversion. Too many things have been left up to man(homo erectus to be more policically correct then the scripture) to interpret. To many interpreters have had their own agenda’s through the course of history. If you want or need to believe in something, great! I believe in myself and try to treat others the way I want to be treated.
I thought it was interesting that relativists are getting results that imply the creation. A bunch of people got together in the Vatican to talk about that sort of stuff with the Pope & Stephen Hawking was one of them. Remember physics used to be called ‘natural philosophy’. “Science is a partial differential equation, religion is a boundary condition.”-Alan Turing
This is going to be messy, but verrrrry interesting to see how everyone responds to this thread. So far I have a few points to make, one at a time if you’ll have patience with me. Goldberg: I slightly disagree, since God hates sin, and Jesus is God in the flesh, maybe Jesus can hate. I know he can get angry since he threw out the moneychangers form the temple. Erik: Great Post! But if religion is taken at face value-doing things religiously- the book of Leviticus explains how God wanted us to act, worship etc… Would then religion not be from God himself? JW: I pray you have an open mind to read this the way I intend it (which is just as Goldberg and Erik intended it-from a love of Christ) 1. Evolution is a theory of man that has yet to be proven. Where is the missing link? Why don’t we have proof of all Darwin’s theory? Because it can’t be proved. Please read “Evidence That Demands a Verdict” by Josh McDowell and “The Case For Christ” by Lee Stroble. There are several very serious scientists who set out to prove Christianity wrong and ended up being saved because they came to believe in Jesus as their Lord and Saviour. 2. I humbly apologize for all the people you know who are espousing to be Christians and sin openly. “For we all sin and fall short of the Glory of God”. 3. YES! I believe with all my heart and soul that Christ will come back. I have a know-so salvation, not a hope-so salvation and I will talk to anyone who wants to know why I say that.
In Christ, Greg Brock
That’s the thing with people who are RAISED IN AMERICA IN A CHRISTIAN FAMILY…go figure.
Like,many of them become rebellious and what not…
The “yolk sac” is where the fetus’s first blood cells are produced. It is not for nourishment like a chicken’s yolk sac. It is vital for the baby’s life even though all nourishment comes from the mother. The yolk sac does not support evolution.
I may be wrong here, but I don’t think that Buddhism teaches hate. Certainly, there has never been anything like the Crusades or Jihads that you get with reigions further west…
Why doesn’t the yolk sac support evolution?
I have not read the posts to this thread. I will not read them. Having read similar threads before, I suspect many of the comments made on this one are immature, uninformed, &/or designed intentionally to provoke. I, for one, will not be provoked. Religion is not a matter for “debate,” & you ought not debase your beliefs in such a way. I frequent the T-Mag Forum to get information on training & dieting & to share, albeit minimally, in the community that has developed around these common interests. Why are you here?
--The Rev. Dr. T-Rev, Ph.D. in theology since 1994 (with apologies to MB Eric)
Wait a second Golberg, is that your real name becasuse thats a jewish name. Jews dont believe their savior has come.
Everyone should be required to read Thomas Paine’s “The Age of Reason” at some point in their life. He was one of the true T-man in history.
why is it whenever anyone brings up religion, it’s always about christianity?..i don’t have much to say, but here are a few things that i feel i should interject: 1. if i recall correctly, it read that there is less than 1% difference between man and chimps on the DNA level. and yes my DNA definately matches my parents to 99% likeness. 2. the details of Jesus’ existence, and certainly his existence period, is more questionable than people think. how many of you have actually sought out the non-christian sources detailing Jesus’ life. do it if you haven’t. 3. why do people regard the bible as some infalible source of holy truth? the bible we use now is some bastardized version of the original. rewritten how many times? with how many books presently missing-like 7? many people don’t realize how many years after christ’s death that the original version was written. of course many people still actual beleive that matthew, mark, luke and john wrote the gospels.
4. while it is possible for everyone to be gay to some varying degree (which explains the whole “well, animals do it!” argument) it is not genetic. there is no “gay gene”. to my knowledge the strongest evidence they have supporting that claim is the high incidence of gay twins. if anyone cares to argue that validity of their conlusion from that…cool. now, i am not gay, so if there is more proof, then throw it at me. the bottom line–while some, for many various reasons, are more inclined than others to make the choice, ‘gay’ is a choice. 5. there is so much info out there on anything and everything that anyone who wants to validate their beliefs need not look too far. people will believe whatever and justify it with the most ridiculous means. religion came about to explain and comfort us in regard to what we don’t know and can’t explain with existing knowledge (whose to say that five thousand years from now–not literally–people don’t look back at us in the same respect that we look at those who lived 5,000 yrs ago that believed in a sea god and a thunder god and a love god and so on. also, why is it so hard for people to accept and end to their existence? why must there be some afterlife? and why must it be so perfect? it almost seems like just a ‘carrot’ of sorts to insure the continuity and proliferation of that given religion.
sorry for the rant.
(i’m way too long-winded.)
anyway i hope someone takes the time to read this and call me on all the shit i just typed.
oh, i’m sure god goes to failure everytime. he doesn’t have to worry about recuperation. -
jason
austin, tx
natey - He based part of his argument on the thought that fetus’s have yolk sac like a chicken egg. He said that since we have them but don’t need them it supports evolution. My point was, we do need them, they do something completely different in humans. His thought that we have something we don’t need, threfore we must have evolved - is not a valid arguement.