Oh, no! A voluntary and private association has been sundered! Rofl. Come on, maybe you don’t like it, and maybe you’ll do your best to cover up for Islam as much as you can here, but noone buys it. The creators of South Park lampoon Christ constantly, yet the riots seem to be absent. The brits didn’t want to let Wilders in their country for fear of Islam.
The forgiveness is all for the step-father.
I am a Catholic, and first I want to ask you to think about all the good things the Church has done for people before you start bad mouthing it. If you cannot pull anything out of your head, then maybe read a few books on the Catholic Church.
The community of Catholic Churches in the U.S. have become cooled down when it comes to bringing punishment onto its members. The Catholic Church holds a strong and a close to unmovable view on abortion, it should not be committed under any circumstance (killing of an innocent person).
You cannot take your political views about government restraints and input them into the church. The mother knew that she was breaking a rule that could make it so she was excommunicated from the Church (there is very few things you can do to be excommunicated from the Catholic Church). So, it is a fallacy to think you can bring your political views and input them into something that is supposed to be pulled from the Bible.
Class dismissed.
[quote]doogie wrote:
The forgiveness is all for the step-father.[/quote]
The only forgiveness that can be had from the step-father’s actions is repentance since rape is one of the sins that is not considered a lesser sin. In these cases, the step-father, if he did rape her, I think he should be stoned to death like in Hebrew times.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Oh, no! A voluntary and private association has been sundered! Rofl. Come on, maybe you don’t like it, and maybe you’ll do your best to cover up for Islam as much as you can here, but noone buys it. The creators of South Park lampoon Christ constantly, yet the riots seem to be absent. The brits didn’t want to let Wilders in their country for fear of Islam. [/quote]
I’m not a Roman Catholic, but I have a hard time seeing this as analogous to honor killing and the other stuff in Islam.
C_B, was this the foil you had for our arguments on the other thread?
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
doogie wrote:
The forgiveness is all for the step-father.
The only forgiveness that can be had from the step-father’s actions is repentance since rape is one of the sins that is not considered a lesser sin. In these cases, the step-father, if he did rape her, I think he should be stoned to death like in Hebrew times. [/quote]
lolwut? Stoned? Do you consider yourself an Old Testament Israelite?
How about handing the father over to the civil authorities so they can decide what to do with him? Romans 13, anyone?
In the Protestant church (at least, the one 100 years ago), you could avoid excommunication for such a thing if you demonstrated true repentance to the elders. You would still be expected to suffer whatever the criminal judge handed you, including hanging.
I’m not interested in playing Catholic defender of the board, so I’ll pretty much leave this thread alone now. I’ll just part by saying excommunication is not a brand, rendering someone cutoff from forgiveness. So, even the title of this thread is misleading. Just saying.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Oh, no! A voluntary and private association has been sundered! Rofl. Come on, maybe you don’t like it, and maybe you’ll do your best to cover up for Islam as much as you can here, but noone buys it. The creators of South Park lampoon Christ constantly, yet the riots seem to be absent. The brits didn’t want to let Wilders in their country for fear of Islam.
I’m not a Roman Catholic, but I have a hard time seeing this as analogous to honor killing and the other stuff in Islam.
C_B, was this the foil you had for our arguments on the other thread? [/quote]
Not at all. So called ‘Honour’ killing is absolutely disgusting. This was just something I found on a google search and I put it up as a spin of the religion of Peace thread.
Modern Islam is way more insane than modern Christianity however there are plenty of Christians who want to make the Christianity Good, Islam Evil simplification when they are really far more closely related than followers of either would like to admit. They are branches of the same stupid tree.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Modern Islam is way more insane than modern Christianity however there are plenty of Christians who want to make the Christianity Good, Islam Evil simplification when they are really far more closely related than followers of either would like to admit. They are branches of the same stupid tree.[/quote]
Well, if it makes you feel better, I’m fine with you hating my religion. As long as state atheism doesn’t become an end goal for New Atheism, I don’t care. Heck, I could hate your atheism, you my religion, and yet agree that Islam is a threat to our rather peaceful co-existence with each other.
I’m all for personal choice in religion as long as it doesn’t affect others.
Sadly, that is not the mandate of organized religion.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
doogie wrote:
The forgiveness is all for the step-father.
The only forgiveness that can be had from the step-father’s actions is repentance since rape is one of the sins that is not considered a lesser sin. In these cases, the step-father, if he did rape her, I think he should be stoned to death like in Hebrew times.
lolwut? Stoned? Do you consider yourself an Old Testament Israelite?
How about handing the father over to the civil authorities so they can decide what to do with him? Romans 13, anyone?
In the Protestant church (at least, the one 100 years ago), you could avoid excommunication for such a thing if you demonstrated true repentance to the elders. You would still be expected to suffer whatever the criminal judge handed you, including hanging. [/quote]
No. I do not consider myself an Israelite.
Yes, handing him would be the appropriate thing, but that does not mean that I do not think that such things as this situation the man should be killed. This is not the Protestant Church, I still see the Protestant Church as brothers and sisters in God. I however do not see them as the same Church.
In the Catholic Church, as I said, has few ways you can be excommunicated because of our belief of forgiveness. However, abortion is one of those few things you can do to be excommunicated from the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church does not even go looking for people that have had abortions. So, this obviously was made public because of the criminal side, and was brought to the attention of the Bishop.
I still do not see how this has any relevance to the Muslim discussion with a very similar title. Are you really comparing excommunication for breaking a rule that you know about to killing innocent civilians? That is my question, how are these things similar, because if they are not this topic is a waste of everyone’s time.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Oh, no! A voluntary and private association has been sundered! Rofl. Come on, maybe you don’t like it, and maybe you’ll do your best to cover up for Islam as much as you can here, but noone buys it. The creators of South Park lampoon Christ constantly, yet the riots seem to be absent. The brits didn’t want to let Wilders in their country for fear of Islam.
I’m not a Roman Catholic, but I have a hard time seeing this as analogous to honor killing and the other stuff in Islam.
C_B, was this the foil you had for our arguments on the other thread?
Not at all. So called ‘Honour’ killing is absolutely disgusting. This was just something I found on a google search and I put it up as a spin of the religion of Peace thread.
Modern Islam is way more insane than modern Christianity however there are plenty of Christians who want to make the Christianity Good, Islam Evil simplification when they are really far more closely related than followers of either would like to admit. They are branches of the same stupid tree.[/quote]
I must apologize for my misunderstanding of what you were trying to say. However, I do not understand how the Catholic Church, who’s most controversial issue from the world’s POV is that we say you should not use condoms, and the Muslims is close to the same thing? And how did it come from the same “stupid” tree?
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Are you really comparing excommunication for breaking a rule that you know about to killing innocent civilians? That is my question, how are these things similar, because if they are not this topic is a waste of everyone’s time.[/quote]
I suspect this is opportunism. It’s not that Cockney disagrees about the state of Islam today, and what that means for the security of various nations. He’s about admitted as much in at least one thread. No, I think I’m starting to understand it’s not a defense of Islam.
I’m not sure why it’s taken me so long, but I get it now. This is an opportunity to kill two birds with one stone. Do everything one can to equate the two religions, no matter how much you have to stretch, or however much digging you have to do. Equate the two, hope it sticks, and survive to stand atop the smoldering ruins of both religions.
Where common cause should be found among people who–even the atheist must admit–have decided to live peacefully in the same borders, perhaps the atheist sees a two for one special. I don’t know.
Cockney, what is it you find wrong here, exactly?
Wait…maybe I do see what you’re getting at. Perhaps I can even relate! The other day I went to Wal-Mart after having opened a box of Frosted Flakes I’d bought from them, just the cardboard top, mind you, not the plastic bag inside, and I asked for my money back. Would you believe, in this modern age, they refused to refund my money!?!? Oh, the atrocity! This is just like that mean old Catholic Church kicking out that family who didn’t follow the Church’s rules. Or, like the Islamist running his daughter over with a car because he suspected she may have dated a boy. Or the Wahhabists pushing the teenage girls back into the burning school building to die because their heads were not covered.
This is just like that! It’s the exact same thing!!!
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Cockney, what is it you find wrong here, exactly?
Wait…maybe I do see what you’re getting at. Perhaps I can even relate! The other day I went to Wal-Mart after having opened a box of Frosted Flakes I’d bought from them, just the cardboard top, mind you, not the plastic bag inside, and I asked for my money back. Would you believe, in this modern age, they refused to refund my money!?!? Oh, the atrocity! This is just like that mean old Catholic Church kicking out that family who didn’t follow the Church’s rules. Or, like the Islamist running his daughter over with a car because he suspected she may have dated a boy. Or the Wahhabists pushing the teenage girls back into the burning school building to die because their heads were not covered.
This is just like that! It’s the exact same thing!!![/quote]
I’m going to have to agree here. The Church is free to excommunicate who they want, it’s their rules. They aren’t physically harming her. I may personally find their reasoning hilarious and disgusting at the same time, but it’s their club and they have membership rules.
And the step father should be hung.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Oh, no! A voluntary and private association has been sundered! Rofl. Come on, maybe you don’t like it, and maybe you’ll do your best to cover up for Islam as much as you can here, but noone buys it. The creators of South Park lampoon Christ constantly, yet the riots seem to be absent. The brits didn’t want to let Wilders in their country for fear of Islam.
I’m not a Roman Catholic, but I have a hard time seeing this as analogous to honor killing and the other stuff in Islam.
C_B, was this the foil you had for our arguments on the other thread?
Not at all. So called ‘Honour’ killing is absolutely disgusting. This was just something I found on a google search and I put it up as a spin of the religion of Peace thread.
Modern Islam is way more insane than modern Christianity however there are plenty of Christians who want to make the Christianity Good, Islam Evil simplification when they are really far more closely related than followers of either would like to admit. They are branches of the same stupid tree.
I must apologize for my misunderstanding of what you were trying to say. However, I do not understand how the Catholic Church, who’s most controversial issue from the world’s POV is that we say you should not use condoms, and the Muslims is close to the same thing? And how did it come from the same “stupid” tree?[/quote]
The two religions come from the same root, worship the same god and share many customs. Islam is just a different branch of the worship of YHW than Judaism, Catholicism, Orthodox Christianity or Protestantism.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Cortes wrote:
Cockney, what is it you find wrong here, exactly?
Wait…maybe I do see what you’re getting at. Perhaps I can even relate! The other day I went to Wal-Mart after having opened a box of Frosted Flakes I’d bought from them, just the cardboard top, mind you, not the plastic bag inside, and I asked for my money back. Would you believe, in this modern age, they refused to refund my money!?!? Oh, the atrocity! This is just like that mean old Catholic Church kicking out that family who didn’t follow the Church’s rules. Or, like the Islamist running his daughter over with a car because he suspected she may have dated a boy. Or the Wahhabists pushing the teenage girls back into the burning school building to die because their heads were not covered.
This is just like that! It’s the exact same thing!!!
I’m going to have to agree here. The Church is free to excommunicate who they want, it’s their rules. They aren’t physically harming her. I may personally find their reasoning hilarious and disgusting at the same time, but it’s there club and they have membership rules.
And the step father should be hung.[/quote]
I agree that they are free to kick out who they like but I am also free to point out the massive hypocrisy in how hateful a supposedly peaceful forgiving religion treats it’s members.
Also, for those that are saying that the church is not physically harming her I take it you are not Catholic. When they excommunicate her, this is not like being thrown out of the country club. It is worse than killing her. They have condemned her soul to eternal damnation. This, if you are a Catholic, is the worst possible punishment. On a metaphysical level it is worse than the honour killing.
Of course if Catholicism is totally made up, there is no God and no afterlife then there is nothing wrong with it. So for you Christians in the audience, which is it to be?
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Of course if Catholicism is totally made up, there is no God and no afterlife then there is nothing wrong with it. So for you Christians in the audience, which is it to be?[/quote]
You’re asking if one should be able to repent and recieve forgiveness? Yeah, sure.