[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:
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Holy shit.
And this is just the beginning.
[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:
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I read that also today and can not believe it. Yep, this sure was a good idea letting these people in your country. Truly sad.
Iām living in Germany these days. Was in Rostock last week: the train station had some dazed refugees, a refugee welcome center, and had some guys with signs in Arabic awaiting a trainlod of migrants that was to arrive 20 minutes later. This issue is in the top headlines here EVERY DAY, unlike in the English-speaking press.
I read Die Welt online, and the refugee crisis has rarely moved from the top story for weeks. Judging by online comments Iāve read, even on left-wing sites, and by the people Iāve talked to, thereās a gulf opening up between the political class (i.e., the media and politicians) and ordinary people on this issue: by an overwhelming margin, the average person on the street is against bringing so many migrants in. Even left-wingers say itās just too many.
Highlights from this week, that I havenāt seen reported in the English-speaking world (all from Die Welt):
- on Monday, a government report was leaked estimating that migrants for this year will not total 800,000, as previously thought, but 1.5 million (90% Muslim). Thatās basically 2% of the population of Germany.
- Chancellor Merkel has just declared that itās simply impossible to close the borders, and the government canāt control how many people come (an editorial in Die Welt noted that the far-right position has been to nail the borders shut; the moderate position is to enforce the law; while what was the far-left position - open borders with no limits - is now effective government policy)
- a few days ago there was a story about a real estate agent here - a female real estate agent - who went to show an apartment to some refugees, but when she showed up, she was informed that it was most offensive for her, as a woman, to look them in the eye and try to shake their hands; a male real estate agent was demanded (multiculturalists will be horrified to learn that a male real estate agent was not provided)
- a (female) police officer (Tania Kambouri) has just published a book detailing the difficulties she has dealing with men from certain minorities, who donāt recognise or respect female police officers (you can imagineā¦)
- there have been numerous reports of mass battles, started for the most trifling reasons, going on it the accomodation centers for migrants - e.g., a hundred or so Afghans vs. a hundred or so Iraqis, a fight started because a 54 year old Iraqi kissed a 28 year old Afghan woman on the cheek. It took 90 police officers to calm things down.
Thereās no doubt that thereās a genuine humanitarian crisis here, and rich countries should be doing what they can to help people who are just trying to escape from a war zone. Iāve read plenty of accounts of people who would like to have stayed at home, but have been reduced to a desperate situation. They deserve our sympathy and help. That said, I think Merkel has made a mistake. Itās not just the countryās prosperity that will take a hit, itās civil society. These migrants are coming from a very different world that runs on radically different assumptions. Often - above all in the case of the role of women - itās a zero-sum game: either we win or they do. You canāt just smile and get along with a lot of this stuff. Worst of all, thereās actually a debate here about whether or not German culture should function as a Leitkultur (i.e., the leading culture). Many of these people are coming with the idea that theyāre not going to have to change their way of life at all - I read an interview with one who said heās heard Germany will soon be a majority Muslim country (it wonāt be for years, even at the current rate of migration). I donāt have any doubt about the ability of a free society to win out long term even in the face of mass migration, but ONLY IF the people in that society ACTUALLY BELIEVE in it.
Finally, if there is a gulf between the political class and the people here, thatās something to be concerned about in itself: if the mainstream parties just ignore the people, thatās how you get masses of people voting for the extremes (and in the countryside in the former GDR, one catches a whiff of the old fashioned far right, if you know what I mean).
Interesting times ahead, but not in a good way, I fear. Meanwhile, tomorrow we learn if Merkel gets the Nobel prize for all this.
[quote]nrt wrote:
Iām living in Germany these days. Was in Rostock last week: the train station had some dazed refugees, a refugee welcome center, and had some guys with signs in Arabic awaiting a trainlod of migrants that was to arrive 20 minutes later. This issue is in the top headlines here EVERY DAY, unlike in the English-speaking press.
I read Die Welt online, and the refugee crisis has rarely moved from the top story for weeks. Judging by online comments Iāve read, even on left-wing sites, and by the people Iāve talked to, thereās a gulf opening up between the political class (i.e., the media and politicians) and ordinary people on this issue: by an overwhelming margin, the average person on the street is against bringing so many migrants in. Even left-wingers say itās just too many.
Highlights from this week, that I havenāt seen reported in the English-speaking world (all from Die Welt):
- on Monday, a government report was leaked estimating that migrants for this year will not total 800,000, as previously thought, but 1.5 million (90% Muslim). Thatās basically 2% of the population of Germany.
- Chancellor Merkel has just declared that itās simply impossible to close the borders, and the government canāt control how many people come (an editorial in Die Welt noted that the far-right position has been to nail the borders shut; the moderate position is to enforce the law; while what was the far-left position - open borders with no limits - is now effective government policy)
- a few days ago there was a story about a real estate agent here - a female real estate agent - who went to show an apartment to some refugees, but when she showed up, she was informed that it was most offensive for her, as a woman, to look them in the eye and try to shake their hands; a male real estate agent was demanded (multiculturalists will be horrified to learn that a male real estate agent was not provided)
- a (female) police officer (Tania Kambouri) has just published a book detailing the difficulties she has dealing with men from certain minorities, who donāt recognise or respect female police officers (you can imagineā¦)
- there have been numerous reports of mass battles, started for the most trifling reasons, going on it the accomodation centers for migrants - e.g., a hundred or so Afghans vs. a hundred or so Iraqis, a fight started because a 54 year old Iraqi kissed a 28 year old Afghan woman on the cheek. It took 90 police officers to calm things down.
Thereās no doubt that thereās a genuine humanitarian crisis here, and rich countries should be doing what they can to help people who are just trying to escape from a war zone. Iāve read plenty of accounts of people who would like to have stayed at home, but have been reduced to a desperate situation. They deserve our sympathy and help. That said, I think Merkel has made a mistake. Itās not just the countryās prosperity that will take a hit, itās civil society. These migrants are coming from a very different world that runs on radically different assumptions. Often - above all in the case of the role of women - itās a zero-sum game: either we win or they do. You canāt just smile and get along with a lot of this stuff. Worst of all, thereās actually a debate here about whether or not German culture should function as a Leitkultur (i.e., the leading culture). Many of these people are coming with the idea that theyāre not going to have to change their way of life at all - I read an interview with one who said heās heard Germany will soon be a majority Muslim country (it wonāt be for years, even at the current rate of migration). I donāt have any doubt about the ability of a free society to win out long term even in the face of mass migration, but ONLY IF the people in that society ACTUALLY BELIEVE in it.
Finally, if there is a gulf between the political class and the people here, thatās something to be concerned about in itself: if the mainstream parties just ignore the people, thatās how you get masses of people voting for the extremes (and in the countryside in the former GDR, one catches a whiff of the old fashioned far right, if you know what I mean).
Interesting times ahead, but not in a good way, I fear. Meanwhile, tomorrow we learn if Merkel gets the Nobel prize for all this.[/quote]
This was all planned long ago it is deliberate.
Look up āCoudenhove-Kalergi Plan.ā Guess who received the Coudenhove-Kalergi prizes.
I happen to live in Lewiston, Maine, a city with a relatively large population of Somali Muslim refugees that have been here for over a decade now.
What follows are my purely anecdotal and personal observations based on six years of near-daily interaction with Somali women and children. I have had very limited interaction with Somali men, as I do not often encounter them.
The good:
Iāll start with the obvious, which is that Lewiston, Maine has successfully given thousands of Somalian refugees a safe place to live their lives. I always remind myself that I canāt blame any Somalian for wanting to get the hell out of Somalia.
No major outbreaks of violence. Lewiston remains a relatively peaceful place to live.
The children who have spent most of their lives in Maine are, in my experience, very polite and well-behaved. I believe that at least some (but hopefully most or all) of the backwards traditions will be dying off with this generation.
Somali-run businesses are taking hold and seem to be doing well.
I can recall no specific incidents, and certainly no pattern of incidents, where Somalians are trying to impose their customs on Mainers. AKA no signs of Sharia here in the Pine Tree State. There is no shortage of heavily-tattooed fat ladies walking around downtown wearing a sports bra and some sweat pants, just out there waddling about, seemingly unaccosted by Muslim men. Iāve checked out of the grocery store with a pound of bacon and a large pork roast with a Somalian behind me and no comment was made about my food choice.
On a similar note, Iāve never seen a Somali woman check out of a grocery store with a cart full of crap. I always see them buying healthy food in bulk. They may get a lot of government food aid, but at least they do not seem to squander it.
The bad:
10 years after their arrival, it is very safe to say that Somalians still consume a hugely disproportionate amount of public resources. I lift with a night shift paramedic who has told me that his two most common calls are intoxicated Bates College kids and Somali women going into labor without any prenatal care. And go into labor Somali women doā¦
Many large, and I mean LARGE families remain highly or wholly dependent on government aid.
Iāve never actually observed a Somali man over 40-ish speak English. In fact, you donāt see them much at all except in āLittle Mogadishuā aka Lisbon Street. They seem to be very, very insular and, from what I can discern, do not seem to be very interested in assimilation or work. Quite unlike Saudi Arabia, most of the Somali drivers I see are women. I rarely see a Somali man over 40-ish behind the wheel. They seem to limit their interaction with, well, everyone who is not like them.
Their neighborhoods are mostly shitholes. The Maine customs of basic property maintenance and trash pick-up do not seem to have taken hold. It has improved, but not by much. To be fair, their white neighbors in those parts of town also consider moldy boxes and sun-faded laundry detergent bottles to be lawn art, so perhaps it is learned behavior.
The indifferent:
I guess Iād say that Iāve never seen any of the worst of what gets predicted or reported with Muslim refugees, but I donāt see how you can call this kind of resettlement a win for the people who were already living here, or the people who continue to live here.
That said, Maine is one of the very few states that is losing population, and this generation of Somali-Americans who grew up in the Lewiston Public School system could be a very big part of this areaās economic future. I have high hopes for those kids. I believe that they will do much better than their Somali-born parents, just like almost every immigrant group has.
Who is facilitating the relocation of these refugees? I mean they canāt walk to Germany, Finland or wherever. So its by rail, truck, boat or plane. I doubt many are that well off that they can fly easily and most have little more than the clothes on their backs. Can you blame the Saudis for saying no to them? Just think how many poisoned toads come with the well-meaning ones.
Once they get to where theyāre going, who wants that shit in their backyard? They have no money, no jobs, nothing to give back to who is hosting them. Chances are good that they donāt speak the local language and their kids will be put into the local school systems at some point. They will be leeches on the local economies.
So what the hell is behind this that Iām not seeing?
A question I had, was at point are they no longer refugees? Theyāve traveled through how many different countries, and hadnāt been in danger, eg the drowned beach kid and his family were in Turkey for 3 years, or chose the most dangerous route to leave by (overloaded boats, turbulent waters).
I keep hearing people on the radio bringing up how we (basically any Western country) have an obligation to the UN. Personally I donāt really care what the UN says, and I donāt feel obligated because my predecessors signed on for something. Thatās something that really bugs me that the next generations gets to inherit the previous generations laws. Reminds me of the credit card idea for laws, eg they have an expiry so that their efficacy can be assessed, and if theyāre no good, then theyāre tossed.
When Hungary rebelled against the SU we took hundreds of thousands in, though most moved on.
When iron curtain started to fall we took those East Germans in too, though most moved on.
When Yugoslavia feel apart, we took refugees in and we sent hundreds of trucks with care packages, financed with private donations.
We will take more than our share of those Syrian refugees too, but if our politicians dont attack this aggressively, which they dont at the moment, this has the potential to get really ugly, very, very soon.
[quote]beachguy498 wrote:
Who is facilitating the relocation of these refugees? I mean they canāt walk to Germany, Finland or wherever. So its by rail, truck, boat or plane. I doubt many are that well off that they can fly easily and most have little more than the clothes on their backs. Can you blame the Saudis for saying no to them? Just think how many poisoned toads come with the well-meaning ones.
Once they get to where theyāre going, who wants that shit in their backyard? They have no money, no jobs, nothing to give back to who is hosting them. Chances are good that they donāt speak the local language and their kids will be put into the local school systems at some point. They will be leeches on the local economies.
So what the hell is behind this that Iām not seeing? [/quote]
You dont see that our politicians are fucking assholes.
Our defense minister proposes that we use the army barracks we dont need to house refugees, our āInnenministerā, I dont think you have those, thinks we need a commitee to discuss the pros and cons.
Why?
Because he belongs to another party and it was not her idea, that hoor!
Get them into the barracks, give them tools and building materials, some food, they have massive kitchens there and get going!
Costs next to nothing, they have something to do and some control when it comes to their lives, our barracks will be in squeacky clean conditions, which they kind of are not at the moment, so MOVE fuckers, winter is coming and the Austrian winter is no jokeā¦
But noooooooo, gotta play party politics you fucking retard sloot !!!
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
When Hungary rebelled against the SU we took hundreds of thousands in, though most moved on.
When iron curtain started to fall we took those East Germans in too, though most moved on.
When Yugoslavia feel apart, we took refugees in and we sent hundreds of trucks with care packages, financed with private donations.
We will take more than our share of those Syrian refugees too, but if our politicians dont attack this aggressively, which they dont at the moment, this has the potential to get really ugly, very, very soon.[/quote]
What is the refugee crisis looking like there right now, Joe? In a nutshell.
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They are mostly at our train stations, you dont see too much of them in public.
They want to go to Germany, if they can, though Bavaria makes it as difficult as they can.
Numbers will swell since Hungary is bussing them in now, right wing party is on the rise and I am talking idiotic talking points right wing.
Vienna decided today that taking some of them in and see what jobs they are qualified for is probably a good idea, I am one of the many who voted for the social democrats just because the alternative is a bunch of populist wankers.
So far the spear wall against our unwashed masses is holding but that might change.
Lots of politicians still doing business as usual, the dont get that next time they will be punished severely at the federal elections if they do not act decisively now.
It is not even that people want the FPOE to rule, but lots of people will take an authoritarian, quite frankly idiotically cheap party over literally nothing.
Dude, its a clusterfuck of indeciveness, populism and and short sighted wankery.
This turned out badly as predicted.
200 women agressed/robbed/raped by mob of 2000 migrants in Cologne on new yearās celebration. Google it
Wasnāt just Cologne either
I typically keep negative opinions of others to myself, but I have to say, you are a total fucking sleazebag. Do you act like this in real life or just online?
Wow, your posts are usually dumb as fuck, but I didnāt realize what a giant piece of shit you are.
Jesus fucking Christā¦ Is that what you think is happening here? Youāre being criticized because you think the ābitchesā in Cologne are āmore rape worthyā because theyāre āfucking hotā.
That was awful nice of youā¦
Edit:
In other words, you couldnāt rape the girls in Cologne because you were by yourself so you were forced to do the right thing.
You are either an elaborate troll or a borderline criminal.
There have been reports across in Germany and the Nordic states. Some of which have been actively covered up. Makes my blood boil.
They are mostly at our train stations, you dont see too much of them in public.
They want to go to Germany, if they can, though Bavaria makes it as difficult as they can.
Numbers will swell since Hungary is bussing them in now, right wing party is on the rise and I am talking idiotic talking points right wing.
Vienna decided today that taking some of them in and see what jobs they are qualified for is probably a good idea, I am one of the many who voted for the social democrats just because the alternative is a bunch of populist wankers.
So far the spear wall against our unwashed masses is holding but that might change.
Lots of politicians still doing business as usual, the dont get that next time they will be punished severely at the federal elections if they do not act decisively now.
It is not even that people want the FPOE to rule, but lots of people will take an authoritarian, quite frankly idiotically cheap party over literally nothing.
Dude, its a clusterfuck of indeciveness, populism and and short sighted wankery.
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What has the response been from the political class since Cologne? More of the same, or a sea change?