I watched an interesting program on HDNet World Report. It was called “Worn Welcome: The Future of Sweden’s Open Door Policy”. Here is the abstract: “Can Sweden’s open door immigration policy and nanny state survive a new wave of muslim immigration? An influx of war refugees is transforming the country, and the economic and political strains are causing Swedes to rethink the generous welcome they give newcomers.”
I wish I could find the abstract because it was fascinating. Some highlights were:
Sweden takes anybody who crosses their border legally or illegally and grants them asylum.
Most immigrants from ME and Africa
Immigrants tend to segregate themselves, refuse to learn Swedish and happy to live off of welfare rather than work.
Immigrants want government to let them have own Sharia legal system with in the Swedish culture.
Welfare system strained.
-Swedes want a 10 year hold on immigration to solve current problems.
I wish I could find the transcript. If I do, I will post the link.
Google: sweden immigration problems
and see for yourself.[/quote]
You got me laughing so hard, I got water come out of my nose. Let me guess…you’re advocating blogs and youtube as the only holders for truth? I went ahead and googled your suggestion. Surely enough, a bunch of blogs popped up (Paul Belien’s was pretty high up!).
You accuse me of lying, throw in a bunch of keywords, and call it an argument? That’s the second time you do that today. It’s not the way adults are supposed to do it, but hey, you have every right to ridicule yourself.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
More lies from lixy.
Google: sweden immigration problems
and see for yourself.
You got me laughing so hard, I got water come out of my nose. Let me guess…you’re advocating blogs and youtube as the only holders for truth? I went ahead and googled your suggestion. Surely enough, a bunch of blogs popped up (Paul Belien’s was pretty high up!).
You accuse me of lying, throw in a bunch of keywords, and call it an argument? That’s the second time you do that today. It’s not the way adults are supposed to do it, but hey, you have every right to ridicule yourself.
Yes, you lied. There are a number of people familiar with Sweden that thinks their immigration policies are leading to trouble.
In the other thread you claimed Iran does not punish the victims of rape. I quickly googled iran rape and discovered that you were lying. Iran has punished the victims of rape a number of times.
You are a liar. I don’t know how much more clear I can be.
You have been caught in many more lies than this. It is not worth spending much more time with you.
EDIT It is too bad Adamsson doesn’t post here anymore. Although he was from Norway he seemed awfully familiar w/ Sweden’s immigration policies and he seemed to have issues with them.
Sweden takes anybody who crosses their border legally or illegally and grants them asylum.
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Sweden grants asylum to find out if the person in question is entitled the status of a refugee. Otherwise, to which degree immigration is really a serious problem, I don’t know. There are many opinions. 200 years of peace has made Sweden pretty wealthy, though. The main subject in media just now seems to be criminal MC-gangs.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
More lies from lixy.
Google: sweden immigration problems
and see for yourself.
You got me laughing so hard, I got water come out of my nose. Let me guess…you’re advocating blogs and youtube as the only holders for truth? I went ahead and googled your suggestion. Surely enough, a bunch of blogs popped up (Paul Belien’s was pretty high up!).
You accuse me of lying, throw in a bunch of keywords, and call it an argument? That’s the second time you do that today. It’s not the way adults are supposed to do it, but hey, you have every right to ridicule yourself.
Insight from the “horses mouth” or the horses ass? You expect anyone to believe that Sweden is not facing huge problems - like what is going on in Malmo - due to all of the unassimilated muslims and the radical / violent baggage they import with them?
There is an undeniable parasitic nature about these ingrates. They bring nothing but trouble.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Yes, you lied. There are a number of people familiar with Sweden that thinks their immigration policies are leading to trouble. [/quote]
Congrats. Zap just built the first strawman visible from outer space. Explain to me how you can interpret my post to mean that all is dandy in Sweden with respect to immigration?
Also, that “number of people” you spoke of, could it be the ones in Sweden, and who write such insightful things as:
[i]lixy wrote:
The problem is localized to a particular town where - by any standard - there is really a problem of integration. Ghettos filled with low-income immigrants from the Maghreb, the Balkans, the M.E., etc. are bound to create trouble.
The situation down there is quite appalling, but there is no solution in sight (short of following HH’s mass deportation scheme).[/i]
[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Yes, you lied. There are a number of people familiar with Sweden that thinks their immigration policies are leading to trouble.
Congrats. Zap just built the first strawman visible from outer space. Explain to me how you can interpret my post to mean that all is dandy in Sweden with respect to immigration?
Also, that “number of people” you spoke of, could it be the ones in Sweden, and who write such insightful things as:
[i]lixy wrote:
The problem is localized to a particular town where - by any standard - there is really a problem of integration. Ghettos filled with low-income immigrants from the Maghreb, the Balkans, the M.E., etc. are bound to create trouble.
The situation down there is quite appalling, but there is no solution in sight (short of following HH’s mass deportation scheme).[/i]
In the other thread you claimed Iran does not punish the victims of rape. I quickly googled iran rape and discovered that you were lying. Iran has punished the victims of rape a number of times.
Nice try at deflecting the subject. Take it on the appropriate thread.[/quote]
Seems now you are agreeing with Pat instead of calling his post rubbish. Make up your mind.
There is clearly an immigration problem. The situation is much as Pat posted and many people familiar with the situation would not call his post rubbish nor question his credibility.
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
200 years of peace has made Sweden pretty wealthy, though. [/quote]
That’s one way to look at it. But as far as I know, a century ago, Swedes were pretty much all drunk and starving. It’s capitalizing on their environment and heavily investing in research and technology that made the place what it is today.
Following your logic, could one say that 200 years of wars has made the US pretty wealthy too?
Interestingly, neither the Bandidos nor the Hell’s Angels were imported from the Middle East. The idiots set a bomb in the police station across the street from where I reside. They blew up a club a few dozen of miles away, and this Monday, they blew up a district attorney’s home. I’m tempted to say that the Discotheque that got blown up this Sunday is their work as well, but reliable information hasn’t filtered yet.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Seems now you are agreeing with Pat instead of calling his post rubbish. Make up your mind. [/quote]
No shit, Sherlock!
I clearly quoted the part I considered rubbish.
There is an immigration problem everywhere. Read up the Texan Hero thread. Heck, there’s an immigration problem in Morocco too. Sub-Saharian people (a lot of which are illegal) popped up all across the country, driving up the crime rates. But then again, some of them constitute cheap labor.
I didn’t call his post rubbish. I stopped reading after the whooper/misinformation I quoted. Clear?
And, like it or not, I reserve the right to question the credibility of people who relay such falsehoods.
[quote]lixy wrote:
kaaleppi wrote:
200 years of peace has made Sweden pretty wealthy, though.
That’s one way to look at it. But as far as I know, a century ago, Swedes were pretty much all drunk and starving. It’s capitalizing on their environment and heavily investing in research and technology that made the place what it is today.
Following your logic, could one say that 200 years of wars has made the US pretty wealthy too?
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Accumulated wealth. There has been no wars on US soil for a long time. And it is not my logic. It’s a standard explanation and I buy it.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Seems now you are agreeing with Pat instead of calling his post rubbish. Make up your mind.
No shit, Sherlock!
I clearly quoted the part I considered rubbish.
There is clearly an immigration problem.
There is an immigration problem everywhere. Read up the Texan Hero thread. Heck, there’s an immigration problem in Morocco too. Sub-Saharian people (a lot of which are illegal) popped up all across the country, driving up the crime rates. But then again, some of them constitute cheap labor.
The situation is much as Pat posted and many people familiar with the situation would not call his post rubbish nor question his credibility.
I didn’t call his post rubbish. I stopped reading after the whooper/misinformation I quoted. Clear?
And, like it or not, I reserve the right to question the credibility of people who relay such falsehoods.[/quote]
You tried to belittle his post by singling out one item that was not quite accurate when he made it perfectly clear he was working from memory.
This is your usual tactic for hijacking a thread away from areas you do not wish discussed.
Europe and it’s superior “Progressive” values are wiping themselves off the map because of their refusal to keep repopulating their own societies (except for France). Sweden is a fine example. Just look at their abysmal birthrates statistics.
There won’t even be any more Swedish death metal someday because everybody in Stockholm will be wearing a Kaffiya and wailing about killing Christians from the tops of their minarets.
Just for clarity, the “Sweden takes anybody who crosses their border legally or illegally and grants them asylum” comment is false. Please find the transcript from the show you watched because I’m sure that you misunderstood something.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
You tried to belittle his post by singling out one item that was not quite accurate when he made it perfectly clear he was working from memory. [/quote]
Duh! Is this state-the-obvious day or what?
Sue me for picking on the obvious flaws.
On the contrary. I certainly welcome discussion about a situation I qualify as “appalling” (see my post on the America Alone thread).
If any of you lot had been paying attention to European politics, you’d see that the people are electing people from the right primarily because of immigration and taxes. So, yeah, most people here are well aware of the problem. The solution is to close the doors and crack down on illegals, which is already implemented thanks to the governments finally waking up.
Still, the situation in some places is so bad that the extreme right is gaining ground by the day. It’s not a pleasant thought, but people are more educated and harder to deceive than back during the 20th century. Personally, I am quite pessimistic about the situation. But it’s certainly not HH’s “new Dark ages” scenario. The good outweigh the bad by orders of magnitude.
As for the welfare system being strained, it’s so obvious that there is hardly anything to say about it. Leeches abuse the system. The population is getting older. The money gets scarce.
Lixy Wrote: As for the welfare system being strained, it’s so obvious that there is hardly anything to say about it. Leeches abuse the system. The population is getting older. The money gets scarce.
Anything anybody wants to add?
Yes. I would add that some of the Sweden is having with the influx of immigrants problem seems to be connected muslims views on, and behavior towards (western) women. Can’t see why the Swedes would’t want more of them in their country.
[quote]Tokoya wrote:
Lixy Wrote: As for the welfare system being strained, it’s so obvious that there is hardly anything to say about it. Leeches abuse the system. The population is getting older. The money gets scarce.
Anything anybody wants to add?
Yes. I would add that some of the Sweden is having with the influx of immigrants problem seems to be connected muslims views on, and behavior towards (western) women. Can’t see why the Swedes would’t want more of them in their country.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
The Europeans are creating a real mess with all the muslims they are letting in. The biggest problem is the European policy of multiculturalism.
What is happening now is just a taste of what is going to happen when they start admitting all the muslim countries into the EU starting with Turkey.
The problem Europe faces now is the same one it faced in 1914. They have had too many years of peace and have forgotten what war is like. [/quote]
First of all I want you to name all the Muslim European countries that could join the European Union that are not Turkey.
Then, Europe was constantly at war before 1914, there was an incident every 3-4 years especially at the Balcans.
Finally, exactly because there were wars constantly that were not too disruptive, noone was able to foresee the consequences of an industrial total war between all major powers.