Rebirth of the Juggernaut: Brute Force and Ignorance (Part 1)

@bulldog9899 Holy cow: what a find! I loved reading from the old authors. Far more focus on anecdote, experience and hard work. No need for studies.

@mr.v3lv3t Oh yeah, those stories are classics. So many fit the bill.


PM WORKOUT

GIANT SETS (squat-stone-hyper)

SSB front squat
8xBar
8x155
8x205
8x245
8x278
8x245

Stone of steel lap and extensions (loaded w/35lbs and spacers)
6x3

Reverse hyper 440
6x10

Notes: 3:45 between sets. Heat has come back with a vengeance. Actually just peaced out of the garage once the workout was done, rather than stay behind to unload the plates. Luxury of the current set up at least. I’m becoming VERY confident in the stone, because I can lap it and get it HIGH up on the extension despite being covered in sweat and slippery as hell. Using tacky on a concrete stone is gonna feel like downright cheating come comp time.

Weight was perfect for the front squats. Getting smarter with the selection. Also, noticed today that I am not feeling any pain at all in my hip or knee. I can still trigger pain in the hip if I wanted to, so it’s not fully recovered, but it’s far more ahead than it was a few months ago where it was forcing me to limp. I have observed this correlates with a slight uptick in bodyweight and, with that, bodyfat. I’ve noted before, but it seems that staying lean tends to come with a consequence as far as moving heavy weights goes. I don’t need to get fat, but top 2-4 abs is about the max amount of leanness it seems I can get away with while still being ā€œsturdyā€ enough in my training.

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I can post it again if you wanted didnt want to clutter up your log. I remembered you had a fondness for the real old school stuff. matter of fact I would not mind a few of those books myself.

No worries at all man: it definitely appealed to the lifting nerd in me. I don’t care to read anything new these days, haha.

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Could you post it again anyway, just for the rest of us plebs to enjoy?

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I’ll take the whole box please. That’s a big old reading list.

How do I know which of those programs work for my neurotype?

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Amazing how they seemed to have a better grip on training back in that era isn’t it?

@dagill2 Oh the neurotypes… I just wonder how folks can say these things and take themselves seriously.

@bulldog9899 Hell yeah dude. You could just do things that made sense. Train harder, eat more, get stronger. Weird.


PM WORKOUT

Axle bench press 306
2x10
1x9

Axle close grip bench press 256
2x10
1x9

Swiss bar incline bench 210
1x10
2x8

Dips
1x38
1x27
1x22

Standing ab wheel between sets of bench (4x6, then sets of 5)

Notes: 3:45 between sets. Hell yeah. This was the bench workout I had been needing. Amazing the difference those long rest times make. Going to bump up the weight on bench and close grip, since it’s not worth sticking around just to get in 1 more rep. Going into seriously uncharted waters on the flat bench come next workout. Dips suffered a little, but most likely a product of how hard I could push during the workout. Hard to grip the handles too with how much my hands were sweating. Heat wasn’t bad, but humidity was even worse.

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Mr Thibodeau may have some choice words for you haha

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I find it genuinely amazing that a well respected coach is flogging this stuff. But then his style in general doesn’t really gel with me.

@idontbrag123 I don’t hate on Thibs at all for finding a very effective way to market towards a specific demographic of trainees who overthink the hell out of EVERYTHING. There are so many of them out there, you may as well take advantage of it. The meatheads that are just slinging iron most likely aren’t going to shell out much for programming.

@dagill2 Don’t hate the player: hate the game, haha.

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Genuine question if I may…what do you guys find ridiculous about the neurptype thing? I only quickly glanced on it a few months back.

It reminded me of horoscopes or those personality test things but for lifting

I’ve honestly given no actual look into what has been said to be able to give it a legit critique, but just from second and thirdhand conversation, it seems to hinge off the idea that certain personalities are more inclined to follow certain routines than other personalities.

Which seems obvious to me. Pick the program you’re actually going to follow. Instead, people want to know which program is the BEST program, and then they pick it, can’t stand it, modify the hell out of it and then wonder why it ā€œdidn’t workā€.

I own every 5/3/1 book and understand the programming VERY well. Jim lays it out in a way that makes total sense, and it’s incredibly modular. That said, submax training doesn’t gel with my insanity. It was always kinda a half-fit for me, and I’d find myself doubling the assistance work or making the supplemental work harder while keeping the intensity the same by swapping out movements, for example. When I found Deep Water, I had never clicked so well with a program before. Totally spoke my language. Meanwhile, in my Deep Water zealotry, I’ve seen people decide to ā€œfollowā€ the program, only to change the hell out of it because it didn’t resonate with them.

I just don’t see why you need a test to tell you to use the program you’re gonna stick with. Especially since so many of these folks have hamstrung themselves now going ā€œCan someone PLEASE give me a program for a type AAA size 12 methodist?! I can’t find any!ā€

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This is a great response and something I completely agree with. Why does everybody have to be this type or that type and why does that make a program more effective? Keep it simple, find something you like and work fkn hard for a long time.

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Have you not just answered your own question?

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Literally the worst gym members, you can’t upsell them, they don’t need tips, pointers, unnecessary supplementation, it’s a fact :man_shrugging:

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I hate neither the player nor the game. I just have no interest in playing it.

Haha. Got it, thanks Pwn! Honestly, I feel there might be some science to it (like personality tests) but there’s a bigger part of making money off of people wanting instant gratification or those eager at just hoping on the latest manufactured trend. Besides another thing to consider is that once you do use the ā€œright templateā€ for you based on said neurotype, there’s always that placebo effect to consider

@mattjp haha! just wanted to know what others thought of it

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Are you saying that you think there is a link between personality type and how your body physically responds to training ?? Like Type A personalities need more reps that Type B because their biology is different ?

Did you have to build up to standing ab wheel? I’ve never been able to do those fucking things. I can do them kneeling and wearing a weight vest, high reps etc but never from standing. Any tips? I know how great they are for core