30 ng/l
So I’m well well above 30 then.
I’ve also read that most feel best being high out of range… like where I’m at.
I have been in the mid to high range levels on different protocols… but really have never felt much from TRT.
I think there is some mistake with the measurement units of your free testosterone.
Are you sure its 193.4 ng/dl and what measurement type the lab has used to obtain that? RIA, EIA or something else?
My bad.
It’s 193.4 PG/ML
are you sure its not 19.3 or other units because otherwise you are on steroids man 
No, it’s 193.4. It’s high out of range. Protocol is 30mg eod.
193.4 pg/ml converts to 19.34 ng/dl … 30+ ng/dl is optimal
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Wow. Ok. So even though I’m high out of range for my blood test, I should still try to get it higher?
I get to 193.4 on 30mg eod. I’d have to take a boat load more testosterone to reach 300pg/ml (which is 30ng/dl)
My labs are measured in pg/ml for free t with 8.7-25.1 being the range. Labcorp uses direct testing which is where mine are from. My over range 25.8 pg/dl measurement would only be 2.58 ng/ml and in no way would I ever reach 30 ng/dl without massive amounts of T and or other anabolics I think the confusion is coming from what ever method is being used for testing and having different measurements.
Maybe @yeti308 can clarify ranges and measurements when he states “get free test to over 30”
30 what?
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I’m currently on 180mg a week split into two doses of 80mg each Mon/Thurs and I’m at FT 200.1 pg/ml (20 ng/dl) ranges 35.0 - 155.50 Quest Diagnostic. In order for me to reach optimal level of 30 ng/dl i’ll have to increase my dose to 180-200 mg a week.
Edit: 160 mg a week****
This is on 40mg EOD sub-q. I think there were times I overfilled the syringe to 42 or 44mgs while backfilling and I would just inject it.
Do you recall your shgb @roscoe88?
@yeti308 - I don’t take an AI and never have. I generally feel pretty good, but I’m interested in this quote of yours:
“The majority of testosterones beneficial effects are directly related to its aromatization into estrogen.”
How come when our natural HTPA feedback loop detects a certain level of estrogen, that is a signal for the testes to stop producing testosterone… And in turn eventually capping the high end of how estrogen we have in our system?
Not arguing anything here, generally curious - Couldn’t pushing estrogen higher than what the body could naturally produce have an un-quantifiable effect on our body? And make it impossible to say with certainty that higher estrogen is great for everyone?
I may switch to subq and go up in amount. Something like 40mg eod like you to get FT up.
On my current 30mg eod, my e2 gets to 49, which I feel is high. Switching to sub q may help keep it down. I just don’t know.
My shbg always hovers between 19-27 or so depending on protocol. But I just started thyroid meds, which should increase it a bit.
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I’ve had 5 SHGB tests I think. 4 while I was doing 16:8 intermittent fasting and my SHBG ranged from 31 to 38 for the last one while IF. I was not on armour thyroid at all for any of these tests.
I was not fasting for the reading of 27 and was on 90mg of armour daily for at least 3 months. I’m not sure armour had any impact on my SHGB.
I recall 2 things physioLojik mentioned.
- SHBG was impacted by insulin.
I think of it like Higher insulin = Lower SHBG, lower insulin = Higher SHBG. Which kinda makes sense looking at my SHBG numbers while fasting (reduced insulin) vs non fasting (higher insulin).
- Taking armour thyroid speeds up metabolism of drugs.
“when you increase your thyroid everything speeds up - including metabolism of drugs. Your estrogen levels can drop on thyroid meds.”
I’m not sure about this in my body just yet, but I would say a sensitive E2 reading of 41 compared to TT of 1192 could be considered low.
I’m actually thinking about increasing my dose too to see what happens. I really want to get my diet in a better place, but really thinking of going to 46mg EOD…and I’ve also consider going IM too to increase E2, but still undecided.
Let us know what you do and how you feel, very interested to hear.
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When you take testosterone your body makes the amount of estrogen you would naturally have at the levels the TRT produces. It maintains the estrogen/testosterone ratio. The normal estrogen levels used in labs are not the “normal levels” of men on testosterone. They are baseline levels. The harm of high estrogen levels (it’s not the estrogen causing harm it’s what is causing the high estrogen) are baseline observation studies in men who also have low T. No study has ever shown any adverse effects from raising estrogen when giving testosterone. In fact,EVERY study done showing the benefits of testosterone (and with raising testosterone they raised estrogen) they did not control or block estrogen.
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Your free is 23.12 ng/dL bty
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Getting to 30ng/dL FT seems like an awful lot of testosterone.
Is that based on Quest’s test? Labcorp ranges are in pg/ml and the top of my range is 25.1 pg/ml so 2.51 ng/dl correct? I don’t see how I would ever achieve that with my labs without being on huge amounts of T.
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