Really Struggling Dialing in TRT

@yeti308 - thanks for responding, I appreciate it.

Do you think my estrogen is too low for my TT/FT values? What kind of dose would I need to reach 30 for FT?

Thanks again

We don’t measure estrogen. Don’t worry about your estrogen. Worry about your symptoms first and your free T second. To get a free Testosterone of 30-50 ng/dl the total is usually between 9-1800. And guess what? In all those men they don’t worry about their estrogen, measure their estrogen, or have estrogen symptoms

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30-50 for FT?? Wow. Okay. I have up to 200mg a week for my script and taking 140 a week now. Will have to consider moving up.

Pretty sure you are busy, so thanks again, appreciate the response.

Labcorp has some errors in their measurement units on some lab reports. We have contacted them about this. If you see a free testosterone normal range 5-21 pg/ml that should be ng/dl

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Quest may report free from 46 - 224 pg/ml for instance. Just move decimal to get ng/dl so 224 pg/ml is 22.4 ng/dl

Aren’t you advocating Supra physiological levels though?

917 ng/dl is Supra physiologic. 2 years ago it was 1197 ng/dl and not many years before that it was 1500 ng/dl. See what’s happening ? Any idea why? We are being chemically castrated by our environment and these EDCs are also interfering with androgen binding to its receptor and exerting a response. So we are producing less than ever is recorded history but yet our needs as men have not diminished . In fact we need more than ever in order to out compete the EDCs for the androgen receptors. Interpret that how you want. It is the focus of my research.

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Makes sense. Wasn’t sure if it was just different testing methods between labs.

I cannot understand for example this guys’s free test is 22.4ng/dl and mine is

Free Testosteron S 16 ng/L 7 - 22,70 EIA

Seems like the measurement units differ by x10, but the numbers are similar? Is this due to the testing method?

I start with 30mg daily and adjust up or down from there

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Different labs use different reagents etc…

@yeti308 Current “protocol” Test Cyp 160 mg split into two doses 80 mg each pinning Mon/Thurs for 14 weeks now. Over all feeling pretty good, but feel like improvements could be made. Biggest issue is my libido still swings and lately I feel less penis sensitivity making it a lot harder to climax. Had mini labs drawn two weeks ago on trough: Quest TT 953 ng/dl FT 20.01 ng/dl SHBG 27 nmol/l. I know I need to get my FT to 30+ ng/dl to be optimal. You think going 180-200 mg would get me there pinning ED and hopefully clearing up libido issue?

If you’re having a hard time orgasming, it’s likely your serotonin is too high.

What increase serotonin? Estrogen.

Might be … but I’m sure pinning ED will balance that out. After my doctors appointment Friday I’ll start ED injections.

Daily sub Q is best. 30 mg per day usually hits the mark. Some may need less but that is a dose that does it for most

Regardless of E2 or shbg ? (in general)

I bet he will say “yes”, but lets see the answer :slight_smile:

At 16mg daily, my numbers were:
TT 766
FT 135 (35-155)
E2 sens 20,
shbg 28.

I felt emotionless. Likely due to low e2.

I may try 30mg daily soon. It SHOULD raise my FT up, and e2 to where it should be.

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That’s a 50% dosage increase, I think it will be too much and you will overshoot your mark. More like 20mg daily, you should do small incremental increases.

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Definitely systemlord.

Would likely work my way back up.

At 30mg EOD, my E2 was 49, so 30mg DAILY would likely send it through the roof.