[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
[quote]SSC wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
[quote]fncj wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
umm yer i just said we discussed it in a previous thread, thats why i wouldnt to make this thread to clear up some stuff.[/quote]
It appears you want everyone to say you are right.
It’d be fine if you presented your argument and allowed it to stand on it’s own merits, but with the way you keep bringing up the same points and the ad hominem responses to individuals who disagree, we can all see your ego is invested in this internet argument.
Why not use this passion to contact the judges and boards of bodybuilding federations to ask for more stringent procedures and increased frequency of testing so fewer steroid users slip through the cracks in natural competitions? One of the best ways to affect other’s perceptions of what is and isn’t ‘natural’ is to ensure the competitors making it to the stage and winning those trophies are exactly that. Those physiques are what serve as mental reference points when comparing the development of another.
It is through those competitions that federations set the standards of what is natural, not you.
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my ego is not in this debate. also to those of you insulted i apologise, beening a 18 i tend to get a little imature about things. if i edit the OP is it possible to have a proper discussion about the use of steroids in natty bodbuilding and what the limits are of natty bodybuiding. without it turning into a shit fest?[/quote]
Let me paint a truly hypothetical scenario for you. You can deduce or come to whatever conclusions from this totally made-up and not real situation as you like.
Pretend that on an internet bodybuilding forum, there is a thread about a very impressive guy who has built his physique in such a way that many aspire to, and will never reach, realistically. This man surely deserves his credit and accolades as he has put in an incredible effort, discipline and soul into the endeavor he has chosen to partake in.
Now, among this particular forum, there is one person who feels the need to call attention to a potential route which the aforementioned athlete took to achieve his look. Never mind the fact that it’s a petty and trivial point to bring up in the first place, but acknowledge the fact that there’s no way to prove the actual point in discussion EITHER WAY. Yet, the person who originally calls out the “shortcut” that was taken sticks to his point, defending it with animosity and steadfastness, and then even goes on to act like he’s better informed than others posting and even goes so far as to act condescending towards the other posters. Yet, he is obviously much less experienced than the large majority posting and has no credentials or credibility to his name whatsoever.
Now, in this fictional scenario that was not influenced by any real-life events whatsoever, imagine you are someone reading the thread. The person who stays adamant about his point, with little evidence, credibility, or anything working in his favor, starts another thread where everyone posting continues to acknowledge the poster does not know what he is talking about and is making asinine assumptions. Yet, this one poster knows better than everyone else and ignores the obvious deduction that if you’re the only one right, then you’re wrong.
How would you feel about this situation? Answer honestly. Perhaps someone else needs the “Reality Check.”[/quote]
first of all i agree i may have been abit to strong in my stance. the only reason i commented about simeons gear use is because of the speach someone posted in the other thread. "im not on anything but if i was i would be competeing with the top IFBB pros. that arrogance i have no respect for, considering i stil believe he isnt natural makes it worse from point of view.
look your right there is no proof of his gear use but i was not the only one saying he wasnt natural. greg and a few other posters said the same thing.
but im tired of arguing about this because we are going to get nowhere, if i offended anyone in the other thread im sorry.[/quote]
Kudos. No need to apologize, as every day is a learning experience.
I’m only so strong in my “you never know” stance because I’ve had the privilege of meeting a few people in real life, and getting to know some quality guys over the last few years on the internet who have allowed me to witness and see some spectacular genetics first-hand. I lived with a guy who was nothing short of incredible, and never engaged in PEDs. Guy really barely even cared about anything outside of “getting big.” No supps, no protein, and just kind of ate whatever he wanted along with a lot of meat. Humbling to say the least, when some of us have to give meticulous effort to look anything north of average.