Real Source of Republican Ire?

[cremaster]

[quote]Spartiates wrote:

…But I can also tell you that you can find thousands of Tea Party pictures online, all over the place, on facebook, on people’s photobucket accounts, all over, and the racial makeup of the movement is not proportional to the racial makeup of the US. Not even close…[/quote]

Of course the movement doesn’t mimic the racial make-up of America.

But, I’ll bet you it closely represents the make-up of Net Tax-payers in America. You know, people who think they are ‘Taxed Enough Already!’

After-all are you really surprised that Net Tax-receivers aren’t out trying to get taxes lowered???

[ZEB]

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

If you and ten of your friends were out somewhere and two of them were continually yelling inappropriate things[/quote]

That would be 20% of the group. Did anyone ever prove or even imply that 20% of say the Tea Party group is racist?

Um, no.

Holy shit. You missed the point by about as much as humanly possible. Okay, let me put it in terms you’ll understand:[/quote]

Ha ha, that “I’ll understand” Ha ha, okay junior time to stop taking you seriously.

Your point was not only a poor one, but it was also made poorly. Mistake after mistake? Sound familiar? You’ve been here before sparky, sure you have. Furthermore, it was understood and dismissed. The fact that you don’t understand how poorly it was put forth makes you the idiot. But actually that’s not the only thing that makes you an idiot. Your other posts also contribute to your idiocy factor around here.

Ha ha, “suppose you and your buddies go out and let’s say two of your friends bla bla bla.” No really T Nation political forums have taken a huge dive down hill. Brought to us mostly by people like you and a few of your brain dead comrades.

Give us all a break, if you really like this site, just go away. It would be a selfless act so I don’t expect it from you, but most would appreciate it I’m sure.

“Suppose you and your buddies” consider doing this.

Ha ha, no really.

[DBCooper]

[quote]HG Thrower wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
What I don’t understand is the failure on the part of many here to understand that the racist elements of the Tea Party destroy its credibility. [/quote]
What YOU don’t understand is the fact that most of these so-called “elements” are wholly manufactured for the purpose of discrediting the Tea Party. The people here who acutally ATTEND tea party events can vouch for that fact. Yes, there may be the occasional nutjob or asshole in any gathering, but the media is seeking these people out, plastering their idiot faces everywhere, and then trying to insinuate that they are the bulk of the group, or somehow represent the values of the group. And you have bought right into it. Try a little independent thinking. [/quote]

I attended the first Tea Party rally ever held in California. I can tell you from firsthand experience that the elements you consider to be mythical at best within the Tea Party were out in full force that day. They were by no means the majority, but there were several hundred of them there and the media didn’t need to seek them out since they were easily as vocal, if not more so, than any other faction of the protest. Also, while most people there did not subscribe to their beliefs, the only people who openly denounced their behavior at that rally were the few who attended as a sort of anti-thesis to the rally. No one in the Tea Party area of the rally was even remotely denouncing the racist, hate-mongering element making a lot of noise there.

I’ll use another baseball analogy: while some people who support the TP are arguing the merit of the infield fly rule with an umpire in the middle of the game, while runners are scoring, your dismissive attitude of the actual existence of such racist factions (however small) is akin to arguing in the middle of the game whether or not the ball was even popped up in the first place. I was at the game, I saw the ball popped up, so don’t even begin to try to tell me that the ball wasn’t and don’t try to tell me that I need to attend some games. I was there. Were you?

[DBCooper]

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]HG Thrower wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
What I don’t understand is the failure on the part of many here to understand that the racist elements of the Tea Party destroy its credibility. [/quote]
What YOU don’t understand is the fact that most of these so-called “elements” are wholly manufactured for the purpose of discrediting the Tea Party. The people here who acutally ATTEND tea party events can vouch for that fact. Yes, there may be the occasional nutjob or asshole in any gathering, but the media is seeking these people out, plastering their idiot faces everywhere, and then trying to insinuate that they are the bulk of the group, or somehow represent the values of the group. And you have bought right into it. Try a little independent thinking. [/quote]

I would like to throw out that the Black Panther Party is a racial fringe group of the Democratic Party. Does this make all Democrats a Racist Party?[/quote]

No it does not. But if the Black Panthers started to make noise simliar to what the elements of the TP in question are doing, then by extension those within the Democratic Party that downplay that behavior, deny that even exists, or answer criticism of it by pointing back at the Tea Party’s behavior simply don’t get it. It creates the impression that they are supportive of such behavior. This certainly isn’t an issue that one can remain neutral on.

[DBCooper]

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

If you and ten of your friends were out somewhere and two of them were continually yelling inappropriate things[/quote]

That would be 20% of the group. Did anyone ever prove or even imply that 20% of say the Tea Party group is racist?

Um, no.

Holy shit. You missed the point by about as much as humanly possible. Okay, let me put it in terms you’ll understand:[/quote]

Ha ha, that “I’ll understand” Ha ha, okay junior time to stop taking you seriously.

Your point was not only a poor one, but it was also made poorly. Mistake after mistake? Sound familiar? You’ve been here before sparky, sure you have. Furthermore, it was understood and dismissed. The fact that you don’t understand how poorly it was put forth makes you the idiot. But actually that’s not the only thing that makes you an idiot. Your other posts also contribute to your idiocy factor around here.

Ha ha, “suppose you and your buddies go out and let’s say two of your friends bla bla bla.” No really T Nation political forums have taken a huge dive down hill. Brought to us mostly by people like you and a few of your brain dead comrades.

Give us all a break, if you really like this site, just go away. It would be a selfless act so I don’t expect it from you, but most would appreciate it I’m sure.

“Suppose you and your buddies” consider doing this.

Ha ha, no really.[/quote]

My point is indeed a valid one. I suppose that you understand this deep down, but you won’t admit it, which is probably why you haven’t actually said WHY my point was poorly made. You’ve resorted to insults rather than address the substance of my argument, which I suspect is because your argument has little substance of its own.

This whole “guilt by association” issue is a relevant one. When you stand on a street corner with a buddy of yours and he starts screaming “nigger” at every black guy that walks by and you continue to stand there without saying anything, you’re going to look like a racist to the people witnessing this. You may not have a racist bone in your body, but the fact that you remain silent while your buddy who you associate with is openly hurling slurs at people creates the impression that you are. You are not a racist by virtue of his actions and you certainly aren’t required to denounce his behavior, but if you don’t and someone walks by and calls both of you a racist, it’s hard to blame that person for thinking that you are one.

The Tea Party supporters who downplay this element simply don’t understand the impression that their indifference or minimalization of this creates. I’m not calling the Tea Party as a whole overtly racist at all. I KNOW that it isn’t. But there clearly ARE racist elements within it that I have seen firsthand with my own eyes.

If you support the Tea Party’s agenda (which I do to a large extent) but you continually deny that there are racist elements in it or you simply throw the racism accusations back at your accusers, you’re just like the guy on the corner who answers accusations against his friends racism by saying that blacks are racist too or who simply denies that he’s screaming insults at all. He may be one person out of group of fifty friends standing on the corner, but someone who walks by and sees this going on is certainly justified in thinking that you too are a racist.

The issue here really isn’t whether the Tea party as a whole is a racist party. The issue is that people THINK the TP is racist and I don’t blame them when there ARE some in the Party who are overtly racist and there are many others who either deny this racism, downplay it, or refuse to accept that it is the responsibility of the non-racist members of the Party to eradicate this element if they do not want to be associated with it. I really don’t know how much clearer I can be about this.

So ZEB, as a person who believes in fiscal responsibility, limited taxes and a small govt that does not belong in my private life, I fully welcome the advent of a nationally visible third party that espouses these ideals. What the hell happened to the Libertarian Party and why they haven’t filled the void the TP is trying to is beyond me, but I don’t care what the name of the party is if they stand for these beliefs. But I understand that, regardless of why, the existence of openly racist people within the party who are getting a lot of media attention, (again, regardless of why) is damaging to the future of this party and I want them out. If you believe the same thing, then shout them down instead of minimalizing their very existence. If you support their racist views, then get the fuck out of the Tea Party because you destroy its credibility.

[devildog_jim]

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]devildog_jim wrote:
DBCooper, why haven’t you denounced the killing, rape, and torture of millions of Christians by Muslims in sub-Saharan Africa yet? Your continued failure to do so is an affront to basic human dignity and reveals exactly where you stand on the issue of Muslims slaughtering Christians. You should be ashamed of yourself.

You see what I just did? I associated you with a crime which may or may not have occurred. I then implied that you have the power to stop it, that the fact that you have not means that you agree with it, and that you therefore are in league with Christian-killing Muslims. You may even have denounced this very thing (as the GOP has with violent outbursts over health care), but I’m not going to admit that. It’s an old propaganda trick, and I’m amazed that anyone is dumb enough to let it work.[/quote]

I have denounced it and I will do so again right here. I denounce anything by anyone associated with me that goes against what I believe. Your analogy is horrible since I am not a Muslim and therefore do not associate myself with them in any way, shape or form. I believe in a small govt that does not interfere with my personal life/liberty, which is exactly why I have denounced the racist element in the Tea Party. I’m a man of action, not rhetoric.

If you and ten of your friends were out somewhere and two of them were continually yelling inappropriate things toward every hot chick that came by, would you denounce them? If someone approached you and said, “hey, why don’t you tell your buddies to quit being so rude?”, would you tell him that they have every right to yell that stuff if they want to? Of course not, unless you were supportive of their behavior. I’d like to think you wouldn’t be supportive of it and would tell your buddies that they should shut up. If one of your peers starts acting in a manner contrary to your beliefs but you show indifference, it creates the impression that you ARE indifferent to it or that you support it. [/quote]

You obviously haven’t “really” denounced Muslims killing Christians, they’re still doing it. If you meant it, they would have stopped. After all, you’re one of their leaders.

See, now I’m continuing to connect you with a radical fringe group that may or may not exist, and even if they do you denouncing them certainly has no effect on their behavior. However, by denouncing them, you have basically admitted that you are at least in some way connected to them, and can now be blamed for their activities. If you hadn’t denounced them, I’d call you out for that instead. Smear campaigns 101. The fact that you have yet to connect this to the main story would have been amazing to me at one time, but I’ve seen so many sheeple manipulated by simple propaganda at this point that you could not possibly amaze me anymore.

[DBCooper]

[quote]devildog_jim wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]devildog_jim wrote:
DBCooper, why haven’t you denounced the killing, rape, and torture of millions of Christians by Muslims in sub-Saharan Africa yet? Your continued failure to do so is an affront to basic human dignity and reveals exactly where you stand on the issue of Muslims slaughtering Christians. You should be ashamed of yourself.

You see what I just did? I associated you with a crime which may or may not have occurred. I then implied that you have the power to stop it, that the fact that you have not means that you agree with it, and that you therefore are in league with Christian-killing Muslims. You may even have denounced this very thing (as the GOP has with violent outbursts over health care), but I’m not going to admit that. It’s an old propaganda trick, and I’m amazed that anyone is dumb enough to let it work.[/quote]

I have denounced it and I will do so again right here. I denounce anything by anyone associated with me that goes against what I believe. Your analogy is horrible since I am not a Muslim and therefore do not associate myself with them in any way, shape or form. I believe in a small govt that does not interfere with my personal life/liberty, which is exactly why I have denounced the racist element in the Tea Party. I’m a man of action, not rhetoric.

If you and ten of your friends were out somewhere and two of them were continually yelling inappropriate things toward every hot chick that came by, would you denounce them? If someone approached you and said, “hey, why don’t you tell your buddies to quit being so rude?”, would you tell him that they have every right to yell that stuff if they want to? Of course not, unless you were supportive of their behavior. I’d like to think you wouldn’t be supportive of it and would tell your buddies that they should shut up. If one of your peers starts acting in a manner contrary to your beliefs but you show indifference, it creates the impression that you ARE indifferent to it or that you support it. [/quote]

You obviously haven’t “really” denounced Muslims killing Christians, they’re still doing it. If you meant it, they would have stopped. After all, you’re one of their leaders.

See, now I’m continuing to connect you with a radical fringe group that may or may not exist, and even if they do you denouncing them certainly has no effect on their behavior. However, by denouncing them, you have basically admitted that you are at least in some way connected to them, and can now be blamed for their activities. If you hadn’t denounced them, I’d call you out for that instead. Smear campaigns 101. The fact that you have yet to connect this to the main story would have been amazing to me at one time, but I’ve seen so many sheeple manipulated by simple propaganda at this point that you could not possibly amaze me anymore.
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Your attempts to align me with radical Muslims are baseless since there is nothing whatsoever to connect me with them in any way at all. I’m not Muslim, never have been, never will be and never have espoused any belief in anything they purportedly stand for. So your analogy is totally without merit. If I were a Muslim, you might have a point.

But those who support the Tea Party are very much aligned with their fellow supporters, even the ones who are racist in nature. Your example is analogous to condemning a Catholic for not eradicating fundamental Muslims from their ranks. There are no Muslims in the Catholic ranks, therefore they can denounce them all they want without being complicit in their actions and also without having any effect on them at all. Sorry, your logic is flawed at best.

Are you denying that there are vocal racists in the Tea Party? I hope not. I’ve seen them with my own eyes, and I personally know a couple of people who are openly racist and are supporters of the Tea Party. I do not align myself with them at all and I condemn their actions and their attitudes. But I cannot control their actions. Your above analogy places the expectation on my shoulders that I can control the actions of the Muslims. I cannot do so, but I can condemn their beliefs and distance myself from them as much as possible.

That’s all I expect anyone else to do who also does not agree with the racist element in the TP. If you expect me by myself to be able to end racism in the TP and choose to condemn me for my failure to eradicate them, you’re sorely misguided. But if everyone else who supports the basic principles that begat the TP were to denounce the racists, then eventually they would have no place in it. They might still belong in some fashion, but they would receive no legitimacy within the Party’s ranks.

[Spartiates]

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
What I don’t understand is the failure on the part of many here to understand that the racist elements of the Tea Party destroy its credibility. But even more so, I don’t understand why those who support a third party that stands for fiscal responsibility and limited govt refuse to see this fringe element as a major threat to the viability of such a third party.

Look, like it or not, the Tea Party’s racist element is going to get the majority of the airtime for a variety of reasons, but mostly because the media likes to sensationalize anything it can and this certainly lends itself to sensationalism. When people who aren’t familiar with the general idea of the TP see this shit, they automatically assume that these people are representative of the TP, and certain segments of the GOP as well to a certain extent. They are not representative of the TP as a whole, but the impression that they are is out there and when people who support the REAL agenda of the TP fail to denounce this or refuse to accept that this behavior is representative of the TP in general, that’s your prerogative. But it does not change the fact that the impression of racism within the TP exists. Perception can be reality.

So if those who want the concepts that the TP was originally created to represent become a force in politics, they must denounce these racist/hate-spewing factions. We all understand that many of you do not support this angry racist element, but if you want legitimacy for the TP or their ideals, then you MUST denounce these people without minimizing their existence or pointing to the other side’s equally reprehensible behavior in the past. Believe me, only the extreme elements of the left who deserve little credibility were openly advocating similar behavior toward George Bush. I know that a fool like John Kerry made a comment or two about Bush, and there’s a whole slew of Hollywood liberals who practically made a living off of it, but that’s the left’s mess to clean up, not the right or the center’s.

People may not like that this is what is required of them to further the true agenda of the TP, but those are the rules of the game and if you want to play, you play by the rules, no matter how fucked up they may seem. The TP is going to go the way of the dinosaur very quickly if the racist element, however small it may be, continues to gain notoriety. Like it or not, to simply bury your head in the sand and say that they aren’t representative of the party and it’s the media playing up a few isolated incidents is foolhardy. This is the nature of the game and this quibbling over whether or not the racism is legitimate or exaggerated and so on is like quibbling about the fairness of the infield fly rule with an umpire in the middle of a game. Those are the rules, so while the TPers are arguing about which side is more racist or who’s perfect and who’s not, the credibility of the TP itself is going to disappear. While you’re arguing with the umpire, there are runners rounding the bases and coming in to score.

It’s a shame really. I believe in many of the things that the Tea Party ostensibly stands for and at this point in our country’s history I believe that virtually any third party with a real voice in the political arena would be good for the country. But the TP is blowing their chance big time here. By the time the 2012 election season is over with, if things continue to go down the path they’re headed, I’m afraid that they’ll be long forgotten, doomed to be an embarrassing sidenote in a tumultuous juncture in our history.[/quote]

Great post.

[devildog_jim]

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Your attempts to align me with radical Muslims are baseless since there is nothing whatsoever to connect me with them in any way at all. I’m not Muslim, never have been, never will be and never have espoused any belief in anything they purportedly stand for. So your analogy is totally without merit. If I were a Muslim, you might have a point.

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You made my point and didn’t even notice. Tea partiers are not racists. The fact that they refuse to repeatedly answer bogus accusations about being able to control racists in no way means that they approve of them, that the racists represent an official face of the movement, or that the leaders of the tea party could stop the racism. However, by publishing hit piece after hit piece linking a few fringe racists with a movement, you link the two in people’s minds, even if one has nothing to do with the other. You then force the leaders of the tea party to talk about racism, something that is no more prevalent at their rallies than anywhere else in the US, instead of the legitimate issues they have with what is happening in government, and you discredit them personally as a radical fringe movement. As I said, it amazes me that this works on anyone, especially with me here holding your hand and explaining what they’re doing.

[DBCooper]

[quote]devildog_jim wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Your attempts to align me with radical Muslims are baseless since there is nothing whatsoever to connect me with them in any way at all. I’m not Muslim, never have been, never will be and never have espoused any belief in anything they purportedly stand for. So your analogy is totally without merit. If I were a Muslim, you might have a point.

[/quote]

You made my point and didn’t even notice. Tea partiers are not racists. The fact that they refuse to repeatedly answer bogus accusations about being able to control racists in no way means that they approve of them, that the racists represent an official face of the movement, or that the leaders of the tea party could stop the racism. However, by publishing hit piece after hit piece linking a few fringe racists with a movement, you link the two in people’s minds, even if one has nothing to do with the other. You then force the leaders of the tea party to talk about racism, something that is no more prevalent at their rallies than anywhere else in the US, instead of the legitimate issues they have with what is happening in government, and you discredit them personally as a radical fringe movement. As I said, it amazes me that this works on anyone, especially with me here holding your hand and explaining what they’re doing.[/quote]

When someone at a Tea Party is carrying around a sign (or several hundred from what I’ve seen in person) at a Tea Party rally making overtly racist comments about Obama, THAT is what links racism to the TP. I’m not discrediting the TP at all by referring to this sort of thing What discredits the TP is when someone like you, who I’m assuming believes in the general ideals behind the TP, refuse to accept that there is a racist element. The fact that there are people who are acting in an openly racist manner at TP events, regardless of how prevalent, is what is forcing leaders of the TP to address this issue. What I’m saying is that the issue exists and the TP leaders need to address it rather than deny the issue exists at all.

[Spartiates]

Yeah. Why is there such broad resistance to acknowledging and then condemning the obviously racist (fringe) elements of the Tea Party by the rest of you?

Why not just all get to get together and say: “This is not what the Tea Party is about, and we condemn this.” and move on?

It’s made the Tea Party toxic.

[DoubleDuce]

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]devildog_jim wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Your attempts to align me with radical Muslims are baseless since there is nothing whatsoever to connect me with them in any way at all. I’m not Muslim, never have been, never will be and never have espoused any belief in anything they purportedly stand for. So your analogy is totally without merit. If I were a Muslim, you might have a point.

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You made my point and didn’t even notice. Tea partiers are not racists. The fact that they refuse to repeatedly answer bogus accusations about being able to control racists in no way means that they approve of them, that the racists represent an official face of the movement, or that the leaders of the tea party could stop the racism. However, by publishing hit piece after hit piece linking a few fringe racists with a movement, you link the two in people’s minds, even if one has nothing to do with the other. You then force the leaders of the tea party to talk about racism, something that is no more prevalent at their rallies than anywhere else in the US, instead of the legitimate issues they have with what is happening in government, and you discredit them personally as a radical fringe movement. As I said, it amazes me that this works on anyone, especially with me here holding your hand and explaining what they’re doing.[/quote]

When someone at a Tea Party is carrying around a sign (or several hundred from what I’ve seen in person) at a Tea Party rally making overtly racist comments about Obama, THAT is what links racism to the TP. I’m not discrediting the TP at all by referring to this sort of thing What discredits the TP is when someone like you, who I’m assuming believes in the general ideals behind the TP, refuse to accept that there is a racist element. The fact that there are people who are acting in an openly racist manner at TP events, regardless of how prevalent, is what is forcing leaders of the TP to address this issue. What I’m saying is that the issue exists and the TP leaders need to address it rather than deny the issue exists at all. [/quote]

Yet one of those signs has yet to be posted?

[DoubleDuce]

[quote]Spartiates wrote:
Yeah. Why is there such broad resistance to acknowledging and then condemning the obviously racist (fringe) elements of the Tea Party by the rest of you?

Why not just all get to get together and say: “This is not what the Tea Party is about, and we condemn this.” and move on?

It’s made the Tea Party toxic.[/quote]

The tea party members have. over and over. But most also feel that it’s a lie to begin with.

[Vegita]

[quote]Spartiates wrote:
Yeah. Why is there such broad resistance to acknowledging and then condemning the obviously racist (fringe) elements of the Tea Party by the rest of you?

Why not just all get to get together and say: “This is not what the Tea Party is about, and we condemn this.” and move on?

It’s made the Tea Party toxic.[/quote]

We have here, prominent members have as well. There is no “leadership” to speak of this is truly a libertarian movement. There are some people who are more visible, but the constitution is our leader, not a human. Some of you can’t wrap your brain around this idea and even when we decide, OK these people really don’t know anything about libertarianism, lets humor them, it lasts for one second and the next day, ten more articles show up calling the movement racist. The movement is about smaller government, not racism. I can say it 1000 more times if you like. And in case you are wondering, that statemtn right there DOES say this.

“we do not agree with people who make racists statements, yet being libertarian, we believe in thier right to say them, pretty much at any venue. We still believe in some basic freedoms, like the freedom of speech. SO while we do not hold those views as a whole, what we do hold as a whole to be true and right, is the constitution, and the interpritation that favors the individual over the group.”

Now I could just copy and paste that every time one of you nitwits posts a thread or article calling ME a racist. But like I said to GL in another thread, it doesn’t advance the discussion. You aren’t looking to advance the discussion, you are only looking to make our message go away. You seek to discredit it, to silence it, because it directly chalenges YOU fabric as a human being. You are weak and afraid. If the safety nets are removed you might fail. You don’t know if your family and friends like you enough or have the means to help you out if you do, or you are too proud to accept THIER help. I have most of you pegged, I can tell by the tone of many of your posts. Some of you don’t even realize it yourselves.

Here is the way I look at the big picture in america. All the kids I know who had tough parents, parents who let them struggle and fail, and suceed on thier own with minimal support. All those kids pretty much down to the indiidual, are now successful adults who take care of themselves and thier families with little bitching or moaning. All the parents who fought thier kids battles, wouldn’t let them fail, called the scool and raised hell when the KID screwed up and got a detention. All those kids pretty much to an individual, are either STILL living off the parental tit at 28-33 years old, or they have fallen into drugs and poverty. Those are the two thing I know. Those kids with parents who “interfered” with their growth as an individual because they thought they couldn’t bear to see thier little boy or girl suffer or fail. Thos parents are now watching in horror as thier children at 30 years old, act like highschoolers and cannot live on their own.

This is directly related to the atmosphere the government has created and continues to advance, or net leting people feel consequenses of bad behavior. Not letting them learn important life lessons. Not letting them feel how awsome it is to finally suceed at something after you toiled so hard and failed so many times at it. The only feeling they want people to have is that lazy, everything is too hard, give up feeling.

V

[DBCooper]

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]devildog_jim wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Your attempts to align me with radical Muslims are baseless since there is nothing whatsoever to connect me with them in any way at all. I’m not Muslim, never have been, never will be and never have espoused any belief in anything they purportedly stand for. So your analogy is totally without merit. If I were a Muslim, you might have a point.

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You made my point and didn’t even notice. Tea partiers are not racists. The fact that they refuse to repeatedly answer bogus accusations about being able to control racists in no way means that they approve of them, that the racists represent an official face of the movement, or that the leaders of the tea party could stop the racism. However, by publishing hit piece after hit piece linking a few fringe racists with a movement, you link the two in people’s minds, even if one has nothing to do with the other. You then force the leaders of the tea party to talk about racism, something that is no more prevalent at their rallies than anywhere else in the US, instead of the legitimate issues they have with what is happening in government, and you discredit them personally as a radical fringe movement. As I said, it amazes me that this works on anyone, especially with me here holding your hand and explaining what they’re doing.[/quote]

When someone at a Tea Party is carrying around a sign (or several hundred from what I’ve seen in person) at a Tea Party rally making overtly racist comments about Obama, THAT is what links racism to the TP. I’m not discrediting the TP at all by referring to this sort of thing What discredits the TP is when someone like you, who I’m assuming believes in the general ideals behind the TP, refuse to accept that there is a racist element. The fact that there are people who are acting in an openly racist manner at TP events, regardless of how prevalent, is what is forcing leaders of the TP to address this issue. What I’m saying is that the issue exists and the TP leaders need to address it rather than deny the issue exists at all. [/quote]

Yet one of those signs has yet to be posted?

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Video or didn’t happen, right? Come on, this isn’t the Lunk Alarm thread.

[Vegita]

I found one!

V

[DoubleDuce]

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]devildog_jim wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Your attempts to align me with radical Muslims are baseless since there is nothing whatsoever to connect me with them in any way at all. I’m not Muslim, never have been, never will be and never have espoused any belief in anything they purportedly stand for. So your analogy is totally without merit. If I were a Muslim, you might have a point.

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You made my point and didn’t even notice. Tea partiers are not racists. The fact that they refuse to repeatedly answer bogus accusations about being able to control racists in no way means that they approve of them, that the racists represent an official face of the movement, or that the leaders of the tea party could stop the racism. However, by publishing hit piece after hit piece linking a few fringe racists with a movement, you link the two in people’s minds, even if one has nothing to do with the other. You then force the leaders of the tea party to talk about racism, something that is no more prevalent at their rallies than anywhere else in the US, instead of the legitimate issues they have with what is happening in government, and you discredit them personally as a radical fringe movement. As I said, it amazes me that this works on anyone, especially with me here holding your hand and explaining what they’re doing.[/quote]

When someone at a Tea Party is carrying around a sign (or several hundred from what I’ve seen in person) at a Tea Party rally making overtly racist comments about Obama, THAT is what links racism to the TP. I’m not discrediting the TP at all by referring to this sort of thing What discredits the TP is when someone like you, who I’m assuming believes in the general ideals behind the TP, refuse to accept that there is a racist element. The fact that there are people who are acting in an openly racist manner at TP events, regardless of how prevalent, is what is forcing leaders of the TP to address this issue. What I’m saying is that the issue exists and the TP leaders need to address it rather than deny the issue exists at all. [/quote]

Yet one of those signs has yet to be posted?

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Video or didn’t happen, right? Come on, this isn’t the Lunk Alarm thread.[/quote]

Yes. especially when your claims directly contradict my experience. The funny thing is that there are videos of the events that refute most of the recent claims of racism.

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Ok now what about the outrage that would have brewed over this if it was Obama with a hitler stash and in a noose? Tell me there isn’t a double standard.

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[Vegita]

While searching google for “racist political signs” this one came up. Oh yea, nobody has ever chariactured a political figure as a devil. Oh this must be racist, you aren’t calling the man a devil because you oppose his policies, you are calling him a devil because he is black and you hate blacks! OMFG!!!

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[Vegita]

Hey I found one that actually IS racist, only problem is that it is with a McCain sign, so it leads me to believe this person made the sign during the 08 election, and I can also assume they were not part of the Tea Party because it would have been a Ron Paul sign next to it. Well so far I have found that at least ONE neo-con was racist. hmmmmmmmmm.

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