A few signs and a few well-chosen edited interviews doesn’t mean shit. I don’t care if you provide hundreds.
If you knew anything about the Tea Party - and had spent even a few hours among them - you would realize how silly this accusation really is; it is a very large movement and it is driven by noble ideas and intentions (maybe that’s what gets the left so raging angry about it - ironically, that’s where the anger REALLY IS.)
The fact that you’re buying into it only proves how powerful the legacy media is in (misin)forming opinions; and, perhaps, that you simply wish it to be true (why??)
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So share with me where I can get some “good” information on the Tea Party. I think I’m getting emails from pretty much all the associated mailing lists.
I know it kills you, but I actually don’t insulate myself in “liberal” media. I just call it like I see it. A lot of my buddies from the Marines are “into” the movement. They’re good people. But they’re associated with a toxic movement, I’d like to see the movement change, but I think it may have been irreversibly co-opted.[/quote]
So this is racist too?
Because if you think it’s okay to compare a person of one race to a monkey and not another, that makes you racist.
Actually that’s funny, because that sign isn’t even directly racist. African is not a race, and nationality is a valid concern for any POTUS. As is lying. I guess you could argue that the combining of the 2 points would insinuate that she has some prejudice against a continent.[/quote]
African is a nationality?
Did you go to the George W. Bush school of geography?
Actually that’s funny, because that sign isn’t even directly racist. African is not a race, and nationality is a valid concern for any POTUS. As is lying. I guess you could argue that the combining of the 2 points would insinuate that she has some prejudice against a continent.[/quote]
African is a nationality?
Did you go to the George W. Bush school of geography?[/quote]
African conclusively limits nationality to that of an African country. More specifically it logically denotes that he is not a natural US citizen. So, yes, it has a direct conclusive logical consequence on the man’s nationality which is entirely applicable to his status as president. It does not for his race.
Because if you think it’s okay to compare a person of one race to a monkey and not another, that makes you racist.[/quote]
I’d just call it offensive, because his facial expressions, not his race, are being used in that context. If the context escapes you, I’m sorry. I’m not going to explain it any more than this: in the Bush pic, there is a picture of Bush making an unflattering face, and a Chimp making a similar one. In the sign, there is no picture of Obama looking or acting like a monkey. There is just a crude sketch of a monkey being refereed to as Obama, with no discernible (even offensively comical) likeness to him. The only way the sign means anything at all, is if you go: “How is Obama like a monkey?”, “Black people are like Monkeys” therefore “Obama is like a Monkey”. If no one made that leap, the sign would be totally meaningless, and the kid wouldn’t be carrying it.
They are both offensive, and just distract from any real duologue that could occur, but it represents how the Tea Party has been hijacked, because that kid (and his parents) and very representative of what the movement has become.
[quote]Spartiates wrote:
So share with me where I can get some “good” information on the Tea Party. I think I’m getting emails from pretty much all the associated mailing lists.
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Spartiates - please listen carefully. After all, it is a very serious thing to accuse people of racism. To do so, you have to have real and unmistakeable proof. I’m sure you’d agree.
You seem to be asking how best to determine whether racism is anything other than a lunatic fringe element at these rallies. Let me ask you a question - which of these people is more likely to know:
a. Frank Rich who has never been to a Tea Party and has spent his entire life as a theater critic crooning about how wonderful Cats is.
b. guys on the internet looking at a few racist-sounding signs.
c. or, the blacks, hispanics, and asians who were not only there but fully integrated. If there was even a whiff of racism, do you really think they’d be there? Feel comfortable there? Return back there?
Do you REALLY think that Rich or “some internet guy” knows better about whether racism is anywhere near a core value of the Tea Party?
I can’t imagine you’re going to pick anything but C.
So, therefore: can you see how outrageously arrogant and offensive it is to go around making accusations to a group of people who are serious and noble and civil?
Do you see how it can sound as if you and the President and certain Congressional leaders are saying that if you don’t like the Bill/Law you must be racist?
In a way, I hope you keep it up; because we’re going to get increasingly civil in our tone, and noble and serious in our aims. And it’s going to drive the liberal left bat shit crazy. Because that’s what they’re really angry about. Keep fanning those flames friend.
Because if you think it’s okay to compare a person of one race to a monkey and not another, that makes you racist.[/quote]
I’d just call it offensive, because his facial expressions, not his race, are being used in that context. If the context escapes you, I’m sorry. I’m not going to explain it any more than this: in the Bush pic, there is a picture of Bush making an unflattering face, and a Chimp making a similar one. In the sign, there is no picture of Obama looking or acting like a monkey. There is just a crude sketch of a monkey being refereed to as Obama, with no discernible (even offensively comical) likeness to him. The only way the sign means anything at all, is if you go: “How is Obama like a monkey?”, “Black people are like Monkeys” therefore “Obama is like a Monkey”. If no one made that leap, the sign would be totally meaningless, and the kid wouldn’t be carrying it.
They are both offensive, and just distract from any real duologue that could occur, but it represents how the Tea Party has been hijacked, because that kid (and his parents) and very representative of what the movement has become.[/quote]
Allow me to dissect your childish post yet again.
The poster references obamas spending habits to that of what a monkey would do. If you are blinded by your own prejudices enough to not see that reference in the sign, you have once again shown your racist tenancies. THE ONLY REFERENCE comparing obama to a monkey in the poster is spending habits. There is absolotely no reference to his race. Why do you get to arbitrarily decide what aspect of obama was being referenced when it’s clearly on the sign. And how do you logically conclude that it’s his race when there is no reference to it?
In the end, which do you think is more appropriate criticism, fiscal policy, or facial expressions? FURTHER, which do you think is a more concrete example of an attitude of a movement, a printed and sold t-shirt or a crude sign made by one person in marker?
Because if you think it’s okay to compare a person of one race to a monkey and not another, that makes you racist.[/quote]
I’d just call it offensive, because his facial expressions, not his race, are being used in that context. If the context escapes you, I’m sorry. I’m not going to explain it any more than this: in the Bush pic, there is a picture of Bush making an unflattering face, and a Chimp making a similar one. In the sign, there is no picture of Obama looking or acting like a monkey. There is just a crude sketch of a monkey being refereed to as Obama, with no discernible (even offensively comical) likeness to him. The only way the sign means anything at all, is if you go: “How is Obama like a monkey?”, “Black people are like Monkeys” therefore “Obama is like a Monkey”. If no one made that leap, the sign would be totally meaningless, and the kid wouldn’t be carrying it.
They are both offensive, and just distract from any real duologue that could occur, but it represents how the Tea Party has been hijacked, because that kid (and his parents) and very representative of what the movement has become.[/quote]
To further address this next sign, it would seem to me that the premise of the sign requires one to believe that slavery was wrong and evil. Though I can’t tell what the first word is.
Because if you think it’s okay to compare a person of one race to a monkey and not another, that makes you racist.[/quote]
I’d just call it offensive, because his facial expressions, not his race, are being used in that context. If the context escapes you, I’m sorry. I’m not going to explain it any more than this: in the Bush pic, there is a picture of Bush making an unflattering face, and a Chimp making a similar one. In the sign, there is no picture of Obama looking or acting like a monkey. There is just a crude sketch of a monkey being refereed to as Obama, with no discernible (even offensively comical) likeness to him. The only way the sign means anything at all, is if you go: “How is Obama like a monkey?”, “Black people are like Monkeys” therefore “Obama is like a Monkey”. If no one made that leap, the sign would be totally meaningless, and the kid wouldn’t be carrying it.
They are both offensive, and just distract from any real duologue that could occur, but it represents how the Tea Party has been hijacked, because that kid (and his parents) and very representative of what the movement has become.[/quote]
Monkey See Monkey Do is an old saying you twit. Monkey see monkey spend is a spinoff of that old saying. Seriously, you think that’s racist? So they did a litle chariacture of obama looking like a monkey to go along with the saying whoop-dee do.
I’m glad you are dropping these “racist” evidence bombs on us. I got one so far. So one sign out of a million indicates the flavor of a movement. I’m sure you will keep the “evidence” rolling in. Of course it would be great if you could get a couple videos of actual figureheads of the movement pronouncing that racism is the goal of the movement, you know, kinda like all the recent videos people have been putting up showing democratic figureheads announcing thier plans are indeed weath redistribution, which is about as anti-american as you can get.
Like Tiribulus…I’m going to regret getting into this…but are you guys saying that:
The first thing that comes to YOUR mind when someone is making monkey referenecs to a black person…is their spending habits??? OR
That when someone is spending time making a poster of someone they dislike who is black…and they compare them to monkeys…that again, there were just talking about that persons spending habits???
I don’t play the “race” card…and never will…but some of these arguments I’ve read give me pause…
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Like Tiribulus…I’m going to regret getting into this…but are you guys saying that:
The first thing that comes to YOUR mind when someone is making monkey referenecs to a black person…is their spending habits??? OR
That when someone is spending time making a poster of someone they dislike who is black…and they compare them to monkeys…that again, there were just talking about that persons spending habits???
I don’t play the “race” card…and never will…but some of these arguments I’ve read give me pause…
Mufasa[/quote]
When spending is the subject of the statement, yes. If your mind immediately references a black person, that may speak more about you.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Like Tiribulus…I’m going to regret getting into this…but are you guys saying that:
The first thing that comes to YOUR mind when someone is making monkey referenecs to a black person…is their spending habits??? OR
That when someone is spending time making a poster of someone they dislike who is black…and they compare them to monkeys…that again, there were just talking about that persons spending habits???
I don’t play the “race” card…and never will…but some of these arguments I’ve read give me pause…
Mufasa[/quote]
You know what really pisses me off? A thousand, no a hundred thousand, no probably millions and millions of signs and statements have been made in the past year with regard to Obamas spending. BUT people can pick one sign, and pick up a racial overtone. Should the saying monkey see monkey do never be said about any black person? Should we add that saying to the list of “banned speech”? I’m sure the masters of freedom would love to further cripple our ability to communicate with eachother.
It’s not a racist saying, it’s a saying used to describe stupid little kids who copy eachother, or their parents or other people they see do things. If ANYTHING, the saying is equating Obama to a little kid, because that is the origionation of the saying. You can’t just pull racism out of it because black people at one point or another have been called monkeys.
Now all black people who stop by a garage to get thier car fixed are going to start filing suits because the mechanic asked someone to pass the monkey wrench? I can no longer say “that really threw a monkey wrench into that plan” if there is a black person within earshot? What about monkey bars? Should we change the name to “bars that kids play on” in case a black kid is using the monkey bars and someone says, hey let me on those monkey bars.
THE DEATH STAR IS POWERING UP IT’S MAIN WEAPON AND AIMING AT OUR VERY COUNTRY AND THE REBELS WHO ARE ATTEMPTING TO BLOW IT UP ARE BEING TOLD, YOUR CAUSE ISN’T WORTHY BECAUSE ONE OF YOUR SOLDIERS WAS DEROGATORY OF A TWILLEK DANCER AT THE CANTINA LAST NIGHT.
THE DEATH STAR IS POWERING UP IT’S MAIN WEAPON AND AIMING AT OUR VERY COUNTRY AND THE REBELS WHO ARE ATTEMPTING TO BLOW IT UP ARE BEING TOLD, YOUR CAUSE ISN’T WORTHY BECAUSE ONE OF YOUR SOLDIERS WAS DEROGATORY OF A TWILLEK DANCER AT THE CANTINA LAST NIGHT.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Like Tiribulus…I’m going to regret getting into this…but are you guys saying that:
The first thing that comes to YOUR mind when someone is making monkey referenecs to a black person…is their spending habits??? OR
That when someone is spending time making a poster of someone they dislike who is black…and they compare them to monkeys…that again, there were just talking about that persons spending habits???
I don’t play the “race” card…and never will…but some of these arguments I’ve read give me pause…
Mufasa[/quote]
You know what really pisses me off? A thousand, no a hundred thousand, no probably millions and millions of signs and statements have been made in the past year with regard to Obamas spending. BUT people can pick one sign, and pick up a racial overtone. Should the saying monkey see monkey do never be said about any black person? Should we add that saying to the list of “banned speech”? I’m sure the masters of freedom would love to further cripple our ability to communicate with eachother.
It’s not a racist saying, it’s a saying used to describe stupid little kids who copy eachother, or their parents or other people they see do things. If ANYTHING, the saying is equating Obama to a little kid, because that is the origionation of the saying. You can’t just pull racism out of it because black people at one point or another have been called monkeys.
Now all black people who stop by a garage to get thier car fixed are going to start filing suits because the mechanic asked someone to pass the monkey wrench? I can no longer say “that really threw a monkey wrench into that plan” if there is a black person within earshot? What about monkey bars? Should we change the name to “bars that kids play on” in case a black kid is using the monkey bars and someone says, hey let me on those monkey bars.
THE DEATH STAR IS POWERING UP IT’S MAIN WEAPON AND AIMING AT OUR VERY COUNTRY AND THE REBELS WHO ARE ATTEMPTING TO BLOW IT UP ARE BEING TOLD, YOUR CAUSE ISN’T WORTHY BECAUSE ONE OF YOUR SOLDIERS WAS DEROGATORY OF A TWILLEK DANCER AT THE CANTINA LAST NIGHT.
THE DEATH STAR IS POWERING UP IT’S MAIN WEAPON AND AIMING AT OUR VERY COUNTRY AND THE REBELS WHO ARE ATTEMPTING TO BLOW IT UP ARE BEING TOLD, YOUR CAUSE ISN’T WORTHY BECAUSE ONE OF YOUR SOLDIERS WAS DEROGATORY OF A TWILLEK DANCER AT THE CANTINA LAST NIGHT.
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NERD![/quote]
I have to speak in movie speak or these hollywood liberals won’t understand me.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Like Tiribulus…I’m going to regret getting into this…but are you guys saying that:
The first thing that comes to YOUR mind when someone is making monkey referenecs to a black person…is their spending habits??? OR
That when someone is spending time making a poster of someone they dislike who is black…and they compare them to monkeys…that again, there were just talking about that persons spending habits???
I don’t play the “race” card…and never will…but some of these arguments I’ve read give me pause…
Mufasa[/quote]
You know what really pisses me off? A thousand, no a hundred thousand, no probably millions and millions of signs and statements have been made in the past year with regard to Obamas spending. BUT people can pick one sign, and pick up a racial overtone. Should the saying monkey see monkey do never be said about any black person? Should we add that saying to the list of “banned speech”? I’m sure the masters of freedom would love to further cripple our ability to communicate with eachother.
It’s not a racist saying, it’s a saying used to describe stupid little kids who copy eachother, or their parents or other people they see do things. If ANYTHING, the saying is equating Obama to a little kid, because that is the origionation of the saying. You can’t just pull racism out of it because black people at one point or another have been called monkeys.
Now all black people who stop by a garage to get thier car fixed are going to start filing suits because the mechanic asked someone to pass the monkey wrench? I can no longer say “that really threw a monkey wrench into that plan” if there is a black person within earshot? What about monkey bars? Should we change the name to “bars that kids play on” in case a black kid is using the monkey bars and someone says, hey let me on those monkey bars.
THE DEATH STAR IS POWERING UP IT’S MAIN WEAPON AND AIMING AT OUR VERY COUNTRY AND THE REBELS WHO ARE ATTEMPTING TO BLOW IT UP ARE BEING TOLD, YOUR CAUSE ISN’T WORTHY BECAUSE ONE OF YOUR SOLDIERS WAS DEROGATORY OF A TWILLEK DANCER AT THE CANTINA LAST NIGHT.
V[/quote]
Got some manufactured rage issues?[/quote]
Thats irritation, I’m sure a hippie like you doesn’t know or want to know rage. You can’t convey rage over a keyboard. You need to be up close and personal, prefarably with a lousville slugger in tow. I am however surprise that you misunderstood the meaning, or rather the tone of my post, I mean with your great track record on understanding the meaning of the written word. I can’t believe I missed that last one. It’s clear to me know though that monkey see monkey spend, ACTUALLY means, Obama is a dirty Ni&&er. Thanks for clearing that up.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
…I can’t tell what the first word is.[/quote]
It’s ‘Congress’.
Making the sign read:
Congress = Slave-Owner
Tax-Payer = …[/quote]
So yes, it relies entirely on the notion that slavery is wrong. Not only that it specifically is defining those offensive terms outside the scope of race. If not, isn’t the first equation as racist against whites as the second is against blacks?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
…I can’t tell what the first word is.[/quote]
It’s ‘Congress’.
Making the sign read:
Congress = Slave-Owner
Tax-Payer = …[/quote]
So yes, it relies entirely on the notion that slavery is wrong. Not only that it specifically is defining those offensive terms outside the scope of race. If not, isn’t the first equation as racist against whites as the second is against blacks?[/quote]
No it’s racist because no one EVER had it as bad as the black slaves of america and to even imply such a condition makes you at the very least an uneducated, insensitive, doucher. And at worst, an evil racist bent on undermining the equality movement in america. I mean if you even talk about slavery, and it’s NOT to say that it was the worst thing any human, and subsequently their great great great grandchildren have had to endure, then you my friend are a racist.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
…I can’t tell what the first word is.[/quote]
It’s ‘Congress’.
Making the sign read:
Congress = Slave-Owner
Tax-Payer = …[/quote]
So yes, it relies entirely on the notion that slavery is wrong. Not only that it specifically is defining those offensive terms outside the scope of race. If not, isn’t the first equation as racist against whites as the second is against blacks?[/quote]
No it’s racist because no one EVER had it as bad as the black slaves of america and to even imply such a condition makes you at the very least an uneducated, insensitive, doucher. And at worst, an evil racist bent on undermining the equality movement in america. I mean if you even talk about slavery, and it’s NOT to say that it was the worst thing any human, and subsequently their great great great grandchildren have had to endure, then you my friend are a racist.
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I also think it is a little ironic that the offensive word in question is obviously a reference to the sign bearer himself.
