I like how everyone gets their panties in a bunch when someone makes a joke.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
Joe84 wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Joe84 wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Joe84 wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Oh yeah? What do you bench?
Average guy: Oh I don’t bench, it’s dangerous for your shoulders
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: I see, so do you know what powerlifting actually is then?
Average guy: yeah man, it’s that thing where you pick up the stones and run around with weights in your hand
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: shakes his head and walks off wondering why the fuck people want to change the sport he loves and has commited the last 20 years of his life training for, and has spend tens of thousands of $'s on so that some jackass with no clue as to what the sport is and probably will never have no more than a passing interest will feel that it is more “acceptable” and “valid”
js385787 benches more than hanley, and doesn’t even compete in powerlifting so stick that down your pipe and smoke it mr powerlifter.
Oh wow, do you think I fucking care?
How old is js"numbers"?
How heavy is he?
How long is he training?
Does he have a scar running from the top of his shoulder down underneath his arm pit because he had to have his shoulder completely reconstructed because he dislocated it 15 times?
PS i’m sure his dick is much bigger than my dick too.
If you don’t care then why ask how big he is or how old his numbers are and how long he’s training???
I assume you have none of the above information from the reply?
I don’t care in that it will keep me up and night, and I’ll attempt to cry myself to sleep. But since you’ve made a statement like you have, it needs to be backed up by facts. You fail to state his actual bench press amount also.
He benches around 400 at a BW of ~215, and I train with him occasionaly, which is how I know.
You made fun of op’s numbers so don’t whine when someone does the same to you. Now I actually think your RAW numbers are pretty good but I take offense to you insinuation that just because someone doesn’t compete that they don’t know nothing and can’t lift nothing.
Good for him, that’s not a bad bench.
I made fun of the OP’s numbers because he made a blanket statement about having no respect for anyone who wears gear and how their lifts mean shit all.
I made no insinuation that people who don’t compete have worthless numbers.
For the record, I’m 21 and could walk into the gym any day of the week and put up a total that would place me in the top 10 of ALL the USAPL 220lb junior results last year. You think that would be enough to gain even a little bit of respect. But no, not on T-Nation, home of the hardcore.[/quote]
Yes you insinuated it by continuing his joke. And I gave you props for your RAW lifts in my last post.
[quote]OneDay wrote:
Hanley wrote:
js385787 wrote:
Average guy: What do ya bench?
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: 1,000lbs
Average guy: O wow, that’s a lot, I didn’t think people lifted that much. That’s like half a ton
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: They don’t, I’m just pure awesome and my shirt helps me out a bit.
Average guy: Shirt?
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Ya my powerlifting shirt, helps me lift more
Average guy: How much more?
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: 300lbs
Average guy: Sounds ghey, why do you use that, what’s the point?
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Cause I’m pure awesome
Average guy: Still sounds ghey, I think you mean pure egotistical.
Really who invented this shit and what was the point of it? Why don’t we just make some robot suits with a metal frame and put hydraulic presses in the sleeves.
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Oh yeah? What do you bench?
Average guy: Oh I don’t bench, it’s dangerous for your shoulders
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: I see, so do you know what powerlifting actually is then?
Average guy: yeah man, it’s that thing where you pick up the stones and run around with weights in your hand
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: shakes his head and walks off wondering why the fuck people want to change the sport he loves and has commited the last 20 years of his life training for, and has spend tens of thousands of $'s on so that some jackass with no clue as to what the sport is and probably will never have no more than a passing interest will feel that it is more “acceptable” and “valid”
Ditto.
At least we got the OP out of here…[/quote]
One word: DIET. If you are going to post your pic on a site like this you might want to look like you actually lift weights. Might I suggest you peruse the Supplements and Nutrition section of this forum. That Circus Strongman/Lous Cyr look went out sometime in the 1920’s
Barry
[quote]Raw Power wrote:
Even in raw powerlifting there is a debate about gear. I am referring to the use of a belt. A belt is a form of supportive gear which aids the lifter in reaching a higher total that in most cases he would not be able to if he did not wear one. I personally hold to this view but that is just my opinion.
When I first started competing I used single-ply gear, knee wraps, belt, bench shirt, etc., that most people use and competed in the USAPL. To the OP, I probably ran into you up in Pocatello at some point. I made the trip from Las Vegas to Pocatello twice a year to attend Bill’s meets at Fitness, Inc., Dr. Anderson, USAPL state chair, is a personal friend of mine and I enjoyed supportive the venue up there.
I never really enjoyed wearing gear and didn’t train in it that much. Me trying to bring it into the picture right before a meet always worked against me. I started to not enjoy what I was doing and just decided to make a personal change to make powerlifting fun for me again. I wanted to compete the way that I train and that was without gear.
Bill Davis up in Pocatello has gone down to just one meet a year due to lack of interest from lifters in that area. For me that means I have to look for other meet venues near where I live. I’ve competed in some AAU meets and lifted raw (no belt either). The USPF in California has a lot of meets all throughout the year and that is where I’ll be going next. They don’t have a raw category, but who cares. Am I at a disadvantage by doing that? Yes, but it’s not about the plastic trophies, plaques and $5.00 medals anymore. I’ve ran out of room in my living room for these ornaments. Those are just dust collectors in the house that nobody cares about or understands. It’s all about making powerlifting fun for me personally and challenging.
A raw lifter who signs up to do a meet in a geared federation or a federation that has a raw category but still allows a belt really has no right to complain about what the others are doing. I only compete against myself and trying to better my last PR’s.
I think gear in some federations as well as judging standards in some federations is a complete joke as do many others think as well. The IPF seems to have it together in many ways. There is no raw category there so anyone who wants to go to the top and be competitive is going to have to wear gear. That’s just the way it is. It’s all a matter of what the lifter’s goals and dreams are.
For those that want to learn how to use gear, train in it and use it for competing then that’s great. Raw lifters have to accept the reality that for the majority of those in competitive powerlifting that’s just the way it’s going to be. I don’t attend meets where everyone is wearing gear and tell them the way it should be. I just do my own thing. It’s always the geared lifters who come up to me and are curious as to why I am not wearing no gear at all and most of all not even a belt.
I simply tell them,“…because I don’t want to”.
When they take first or whatever place it is I’ll be the first one to shake their hand.
Raw powerlifting is always going to be a minority compared to geared powerlifting. I don’t see it turning around any time soon if ever for that matter. I’ll just “shut up and train”. [/quote]
Hello Raw,
Probably did run into you in Pocatello. Last time I lifted there was 2000. I don’t know Dr. Anderson, Don’t really know anyone who is in any leadership position in Powerlifting. Back a few posts when I talked about mentoring new powerlifters and then you mention how Bill now only has one meet per year, I think the two are related.
I have spoken with two other former lifters (while working in the Potato industry in fact, apwsearch, had to stick that in, this guy told me to go dig spuds for some weird attempt at an insult). Anyway both of these guys have left the sport for the same reasons. Gear use. Now these are only three guys, me and the other two. None of us ever made a mark in Powerlifting but guys like us are the backbone of Powerlifting.
You take that base away and little by little the whole thing dies. You live here in the west. How is Powerlifting here in the West? In Idaho it is all but dead. I think the link is Gear use. People see through the BS and want nothing to do with this sport.
Barry
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Oh wow, do you think I fucking care?
How old is js"numbers"?
How heavy is he?
How long is he training?
Does he have a scar running from the top of his shoulder down underneath his arm pit because he had to have his shoulder completely reconstructed because he dislocated it 15 times?
PS i’m sure his dick is much bigger than my dick too.
Actually Hanley, he doesn’t bench more than you because he doesn’t fucking compete. Not even worthy of a response.[/quote]
Hey, you are 3 weeks out. What kind of numbers are you putting up? Raw numbers. Let’s see. You hit 550 plus, 350 plus and more than 600 at age 23, you gotta be world class these days. C’mon, some crumbs for the little people. Tell us what a real lifter puts up.
Barry
[quote]mozhne wrote:
OneDay wrote:
Hanley wrote:
js385787 wrote:
Average guy: What do ya bench?
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: 1,000lbs
Average guy: O wow, that’s a lot, I didn’t think people lifted that much. That’s like half a ton
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: They don’t, I’m just pure awesome and my shirt helps me out a bit.
Average guy: Shirt?
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Ya my powerlifting shirt, helps me lift more
Average guy: How much more?
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: 300lbs
Average guy: Sounds ghey, why do you use that, what’s the point?
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Cause I’m pure awesome
Average guy: Still sounds ghey, I think you mean pure egotistical.
Really who invented this shit and what was the point of it? Why don’t we just make some robot suits with a metal frame and put hydraulic presses in the sleeves.
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Oh yeah? What do you bench?
Average guy: Oh I don’t bench, it’s dangerous for your shoulders
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: I see, so do you know what powerlifting actually is then?
Average guy: yeah man, it’s that thing where you pick up the stones and run around with weights in your hand
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: shakes his head and walks off wondering why the fuck people want to change the sport he loves and has commited the last 20 years of his life training for, and has spend tens of thousands of $'s on so that some jackass with no clue as to what the sport is and probably will never have no more than a passing interest will feel that it is more “acceptable” and “valid”
Ditto.
At least we got the OP out of here…
One word: DIET. If you are going to post your pic on a site like this you might want to look like you actually lift weights. Might I suggest you peruse the Supplements and Nutrition section of this forum. That Circus Strongman/Lous Cyr look went out sometime in the 1920’s
Barry
[/quote]
Did you just call me fat? Cause if you did, I think we’re really gonna have a problem. I squatted 662.5 lbs in the 198s in 2000. I also totaled 1647.5 lbs that same year. So, you can “stick that in your pipe and smoke it” You come on to a website, you insult a sport that many people around here love, and you expect not to catch flak for it.
I can’t believe I’m being made fun of by someone who posted this:
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mozhne
Junior Member
Reged: Jun 10 2004
Posts: 2
Loc: Roberts, Idaho Abundance for Life
#9656 - Thu Jun 10 2004 07:56 AM
Hello,
Just got started with the Abundance for Life course. Great work. I have been a “Positive Thinking” junkie since reading Peale in the 6th grade. I’ve lost count on how many success/money making books and courses I’ve spent time and money on so I’m well versed in what should be productive thinking and visualization. In light of this what went wrong this past year?
I started a lifelong dream business and it flopped leaving me about 100k in debt, my wife informed me that she had commited adultery with 4, yes I said 4 different men including two former friends. Pretty much every thing and every one I come in contact with turns to baad trouble. The deal is I set goals, I visualized the result, I did all the stuff. Granted this course is a cut above and I am giving it a try but this past year has been a wreck that has left me shaking.
End of argument. I win. You suck…
[quote]Hanley wrote:
js385787 wrote:
Average guy: What do ya bench?
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: 1,000lbs
Average guy: O wow, that’s a lot, I didn’t think people lifted that much. That’s like half a ton
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: They don’t, I’m just pure awesome and my shirt helps me out a bit.
Average guy: Shirt?
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Ya my powerlifting shirt, helps me lift more
Average guy: How much more?
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: 300lbs
Average guy: Sounds ghey, why do you use that, what’s the point?
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Cause I’m pure awesome
Average guy: Still sounds ghey, I think you mean pure egotistical.
Really who invented this shit and what was the point of it? Why don’t we just make some robot suits with a metal frame and put hydraulic presses in the sleeves.
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Oh yeah? What do you bench?
Average guy: Oh I don’t bench, it’s dangerous for your shoulders
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: I see, so do you know what powerlifting actually is then?
Average guy: yeah man, it’s that thing where you pick up the stones and run around with weights in your hand
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: shakes his head and walks off wondering why the fuck people want to change the sport he loves and has commited the last 20 years of his life training for, and has spend tens of thousands of $'s on so that some jackass with no clue as to what the sport is and probably will never have no more than a passing interest will feel that it is more “acceptable” and “valid”
[/quote]
You forgot this part:
Average Guy: Hey what do you bench?
Unequipped lifter: I bench 405 @ 198
Average guy: oh really? I guess that’s not bad, but I had this friend, right? And his uncle’s neighbor’s kid went to school with a guy who benched 430 lbs
Unequipped: Wow, really? Um, because that would be an great lift if he were in my class, maybe i know him, what’s his name?
Average guy: Oh, I dunno, I dont think it’s that great, I mean I think Carl over there used to bench more, so its not that good. Hey Carl! What did you used to bench?
Carl [begins to absent-mindedly stretch his triceps}: Ahhh, yep, back in high school I used to press 455. Haven’t lifted in a while tho. Been thinking about getting back into it - I could get back up there. Y’know, if I really wanted to.
Unequipped: Are you serious? In high school? That’s incredible.
Carl: Well, my neighbor benched more than me. He was hitting 500 for reps … easy. And he’d only been training for 2 weeks at that point. I’d introduce you to him, but he got hurt a while ago, benching messed up his shoulder.
Unequipped: Holy cow, well, um, Average Guy, what do you bench?
Average: Oh, I usually like to hit 315 for a couple after I warm up.
Unequipped: What? But I’ve seen you at the gym with 315 on the bar, you’re barely bringing it down half way.
Average: right, yeah, that’s my bench press. It’s dangerous to bring it all the way to the chest. Instead I just like to get a good squeeze at the top of my cable flyes - it really isolates the inner pecs.
Moral of the story: why on earth are you worried about the need to justify to this hypothetical average guy? No matter how much you bench, whether it’s shirted or unequipped, the average guy will ALWAYS a) know a friend of a friend who did more and/or b) have done more himself (usually with very little time training) but doesnt work out anymore and/or c) have done more himself (usually with very little time training) but got injured and/or c) claim to do more, having no idea that his “bench press” and your bench press are nothing alike in terms of form/difficulty.
[quote]js385787 wrote:
Average guy: What do ya bench?
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: 1,000lbs
Average guy: O wow, that’s a lot, I didn’t think people lifted that much. That’s like half a ton
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: They don’t, I’m just pure awesome and my shirt helps me out a bit.
Average guy: Shirt?
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Ya my powerlifting shirt, helps me lift more
Average guy: How much more?
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: 300lbs
Average guy: Sounds ghey, why do you use that, what’s the point?
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Cause I’m pure awesome
Average guy: Still sounds ghey, I think you mean pure egotistical.
Really who invented this shit and what was the point of it? Why don’t we just make some robot suits with a metal frame and put hydraulic presses in the sleeves. [/quote]
though i do not agree with the insulting way you presented your argument, as it does nothing but antagonize and polarize what could be a interesting discussion. BUT i see where you are coming from.
gear in pl evolved in a few phases. at one point there were no rules, and after an infamous meet in the 60’s, where lifters were wearing cut off jeans, wrapped bedsheets around there waists, put tennis balls underneath there wraps(knees AND elbows) there was a big backlash and a push to clean up the sport and get rid of this nonsense.
thus entered the golden age of powerlifting, 70’s and early 80’s, that is the era that you saw pics of don reinougdt squating 00lbs plus with only a singlet on.
but over the years equipment has has crept back into the game.
which brings me to the following point…
the only reason that any of the current 2-4 ply assisted numbers are taken seriously by anyone, is how gradually the very restrictive gear crept into the sport.
to hanley, kbc, etc, here is an honest question. and i dont mean it to be insulting, i am really curious.
the current WR for the c&j is about 580lbs, nobody is even close to breaking this record besides the guy who set it right now.
lets say the next worlds, a guy shows up in some sort of super restrictive body suit that the lifter can barely walk in breaks that record by 30%. would anybody actually take that record seriously, or would we say “blah, it had to be that crazy suit, he is not really that strong”
and even if everybody else started wearing the suit, and the playing field was even at the next big lifting even, would we feel that these guys were really destroying the records set by the past greats? really?
see the only reason there is any debate abot this at all, is it has taken many years for the equipment to get where it is.
[quote]heavythrower wrote:?
see the only reason there is any debate abot this at all, is it has taken many years for the equipment to get where it is.
[/quote]
Well, yeah. Of course.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but for has every single lifting generation not attempted to get the maximum carryover from what ever gear they had available to them at the time? From the very start of powerlifting.
If the above holds true, then I think it illustrates that equipment has been a part of powerlifting on some form or level ever since it’s inception.
And if every generation has attempted to maximise carryover, then can any of the old time lifters honestly say they would not have worn the gear then, that we have available now?
You (not you specifically HT) can talk about raw powerlifting all you want, but if gear has been around ever since the early days of powerlifting then I’m afraid powerlifting is traditionally a geared sport.
Like it or not, call it fair, call it cheating. But if something has been a part of a sport since it first started then it is impossible to say you should take gear out of powerlifting becasue it is a fundamental part of the sport.
[quote]OneDay wrote:
Did you just call me fat? Cause if you did, I think we’re really gonna have a problem. I squatted 662.5 lbs in the 198s in 2000. I also totaled 1647.5 lbs that same year. So, you can “stick that in your pipe and smoke it” You come on to a website, you insult a sport that many people around here love, and you expect not to catch flak for it.
I can’t believe I’m being made fun of by someone who posted this:
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mozhne
Junior Member
Reged: Jun 10 2004
Posts: 2
Loc: Roberts, Idaho Abundance for Life
#9656 - Thu Jun 10 2004 07:56 AM
Hello,
Just got started with the Abundance for Life course. Great work. I have been a “Positive Thinking” junkie since reading Peale in the 6th grade. I’ve lost count on how many success/money making books and courses I’ve spent time and money on so I’m well versed in what should be productive thinking and visualization. In light of this what went wrong this past year?
I started a lifelong dream business and it flopped leaving me about 100k in debt, my wife informed me that she had commited adultery with 4, yes I said 4 different men including two former friends. Pretty much every thing and every one I come in contact with turns to baad trouble. The deal is I set goals, I visualized the result, I did all the stuff. Granted this course is a cut above and I am giving it a try but this past year has been a wreck that has left me shaking.
End of argument. I win. You suck…
[/quote]
Ahahahahahaha. That’s awesome. He starts the ad hominem attacks and you destroy him at his own game. Link to where you found it?
[quote]js385787 wrote:
Average guy: What do ya bench?
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: 1,000lbs
Average guy: O wow, that’s a lot, I didn’t think people lifted that much. That’s like half a ton
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: They don’t, I’m just pure awesome and my shirt helps me out a bit.
Average guy: Shirt?
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Ya my powerlifting shirt, helps me lift more
Average guy: How much more?
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: 300lbs
Average guy: Sounds ghey, why do you use that, what’s the point?
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Cause I’m pure awesome
Average guy: Still sounds ghey, I think you mean pure egotistical.
Really who invented this shit and what was the point of it? Why don’t we just make some robot suits with a metal frame and put hydraulic presses in the sleeves. [/quote]
Cause I’m pure awesome? I’m sure triple denim guy wouldn’t say that.
Gear is just an ego trip for everyone using it, end of story.
If everyone wasn’t so worried about how they measure up to other lifters at the comp then the gear would disappear… if you’re only competing against yourself you don’t need the gear, it’s expensive, takes time to learn, and is hard to put on, 3 negatives to 1 positive.
[quote]OneDay wrote:
mozhne wrote:
OneDay wrote:
Hanley wrote:
js385787 wrote:
Average guy: What do ya bench?
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: 1,000lbs
Average guy: O wow, that’s a lot, I didn’t think people lifted that much. That’s like half a ton
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: They don’t, I’m just pure awesome and my shirt helps me out a bit.
Average guy: Shirt?
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Ya my powerlifting shirt, helps me lift more
Average guy: How much more?
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: 300lbs
Average guy: Sounds ghey, why do you use that, what’s the point?
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Cause I’m pure awesome
Average guy: Still sounds ghey, I think you mean pure egotistical.
Really who invented this shit and what was the point of it? Why don’t we just make some robot suits with a metal frame and put hydraulic presses in the sleeves.
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Oh yeah? What do you bench?
Average guy: Oh I don’t bench, it’s dangerous for your shoulders
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: I see, so do you know what powerlifting actually is then?
Average guy: yeah man, it’s that thing where you pick up the stones and run around with weights in your hand
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: shakes his head and walks off wondering why the fuck people want to change the sport he loves and has commited the last 20 years of his life training for, and has spend tens of thousands of $'s on so that some jackass with no clue as to what the sport is and probably will never have no more than a passing interest will feel that it is more “acceptable” and “valid”
Ditto.
At least we got the OP out of here…
One word: DIET. If you are going to post your pic on a site like this you might want to look like you actually lift weights. Might I suggest you peruse the Supplements and Nutrition section of this forum. That Circus Strongman/Lous Cyr look went out sometime in the 1920’s
Barry
Did you just call me fat? Cause if you did, I think we’re really gonna have a problem. I squatted 662.5 lbs in the 198s in 2000. I also totaled 1647.5 lbs that same year. So, you can “stick that in your pipe and smoke it” You come on to a website, you insult a sport that many people around here love, and you expect not to catch flak for it.
I can’t believe I’m being made fun of by someone who posted this:
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mozhne
Junior Member
Reged: Jun 10 2004
Posts: 2
Loc: Roberts, Idaho Abundance for Life
#9656 - Thu Jun 10 2004 07:56 AM
Hello,
Just got started with the Abundance for Life course. Great work. I have been a “Positive Thinking” junkie since reading Peale in the 6th grade. I’ve lost count on how many success/money making books and courses I’ve spent time and money on so I’m well versed in what should be productive thinking and visualization. In light of this what went wrong this past year?
I started a lifelong dream business and it flopped leaving me about 100k in debt, my wife informed me that she had commited adultery with 4, yes I said 4 different men including two former friends. Pretty much every thing and every one I come in contact with turns to baad trouble. The deal is I set goals, I visualized the result, I did all the stuff. Granted this course is a cut above and I am giving it a try but this past year has been a wreck that has left me shaking.
End of argument. I win. You suck…
[/quote]
Great find.
I’d like to thank the academy for this award. Thanks to apwsearch for helping me with all of my research. I’d also like to say a special thank you to mozhne, who has made all of this possible…
[quote]OneDay wrote:
mozhne wrote:
OneDay wrote:
Hanley wrote:
js385787 wrote:
Average guy: What do ya bench?
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: 1,000lbs
Average guy: O wow, that’s a lot, I didn’t think people lifted that much. That’s like half a ton
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: They don’t, I’m just pure awesome and my shirt helps me out a bit.
Average guy: Shirt?
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Ya my powerlifting shirt, helps me lift more
Average guy: How much more?
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: 300lbs
Average guy: Sounds ghey, why do you use that, what’s the point?
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Cause I’m pure awesome
Average guy: Still sounds ghey, I think you mean pure egotistical.
Really who invented this shit and what was the point of it? Why don’t we just make some robot suits with a metal frame and put hydraulic presses in the sleeves.
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Oh yeah? What do you bench?
Average guy: Oh I don’t bench, it’s dangerous for your shoulders
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: I see, so do you know what powerlifting actually is then?
Average guy: yeah man, it’s that thing where you pick up the stones and run around with weights in your hand
Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: shakes his head and walks off wondering why the fuck people want to change the sport he loves and has commited the last 20 years of his life training for, and has spend tens of thousands of $'s on so that some jackass with no clue as to what the sport is and probably will never have no more than a passing interest will feel that it is more “acceptable” and “valid”
Ditto.
At least we got the OP out of here…
One word: DIET. If you are going to post your pic on a site like this you might want to look like you actually lift weights. Might I suggest you peruse the Supplements and Nutrition section of this forum. That Circus Strongman/Lous Cyr look went out sometime in the 1920’s
Barry
Did you just call me fat? Cause if you did, I think we’re really gonna have a problem. I squatted 662.5 lbs in the 198s in 2000. I also totaled 1647.5 lbs that same year. So, you can “stick that in your pipe and smoke it” You come on to a website, you insult a sport that many people around here love, and you expect not to catch flak for it.
I can’t believe I’m being made fun of by someone who posted this:
Pages: 1
mozhne
Junior Member
Reged: Jun 10 2004
Posts: 2
Loc: Roberts, Idaho Abundance for Life
#9656 - Thu Jun 10 2004 07:56 AM
Hello,
Just got started with the Abundance for Life course. Great work. I have been a “Positive Thinking” junkie since reading Peale in the 6th grade. I’ve lost count on how many success/money making books and courses I’ve spent time and money on so I’m well versed in what should be productive thinking and visualization. In light of this what went wrong this past year?
I started a lifelong dream business and it flopped leaving me about 100k in debt, my wife informed me that she had commited adultery with 4, yes I said 4 different men including two former friends. Pretty much every thing and every one I come in contact with turns to baad trouble. The deal is I set goals, I visualized the result, I did all the stuff. Granted this course is a cut above and I am giving it a try but this past year has been a wreck that has left me shaking.
End of argument. I win. You suck…
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Do you always brag about what you USED to be able to do?
Why don’t you post some RAW lifts that are current.
Heavy, it’s a fair question.
It is interesting to note though, that you chose OL for the example. OL emphasizes a lifter’s technique to a greater extent than PL does, and it emphasizes flexibility to a great extent. So, would adding in suits and thereby increasing the technicality of the lifts. This is, after all, a sport in which Alexeyev(sp?) a great champion, said that his rival Serge Redding was the stronger of the two. So I’m always skeptical when somebody asserts that the stronger man will ALWAYS win in any given “strength sport.”
As far as breaking the records, they would only be breaking records that are 20-some-odd years old, since O-lifting completely redid the weight classes. So in an effort to wipe from the books the record of any lifter who had used drugs they “invalidated” Taranenko’s 272.5 (I believe that’s what it was, not 100% sure) 600 lbs but it doesnt count. I dont care if its to the point where his drug test came back with traces of blood in his test stream, 600 freaking lbs is really impressive. So I think it’s understandable if I dont take even OL current records all that seriously in the first place.
So you’ve got a sport where the better technique beats the superior strength, and records from the past are no longer given credence equal to today’s lifts. Sounds like a lot of the same complaints about powerlifting. So I dont know if a suit would change anything substantive.
But to give your question a straight answer, if a suit like that existed and if it were legal for competition, I’d say Reza better get with it or get left behind.
I’ve said this before on other threads, but to me it’s all about CONTEXT. Normally from the context of the conversation its pretty easy to figure out whether someone is talking about an unequipped bench or a shirted bench. If someone tells you they bench 600 in a shirt, I would think “ok, cool, very solid lift, nice.” If someone told me they bench 600 unequipped, I’m thinking “WOW he’s one of the best unequpped lifters in the world today.” I think that its perfectly acceptable to have distinctive reactions to the two. It’s all about CONTEXT.
Look, dont get me wrong. I think raw lifting is cool. I’m guessing a lot of the guys on here have seen the video clips that are floating around of Sam Byrd’s 705@210 squat, or donnie’s 855@shw from the New England Record Breakers. I am the one who took those videos. I was there because I wanted to see some big time lifters lift some big time weights. I dont care whether its equipped or not. If I were emperor I’d wave my wand and create one fed with 2, possibly 4 divisions. Unequipped and equipped for sure, and probably drug-tested and open sub-divisions for both of those two divisions.
I guess that sums up pretty much how I feel abotu it, if you feel like i didnt answer your question lemme know.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
heavythrower wrote:?
see the only reason there is any debate abot this at all, is it has taken many years for the equipment to get where it is.
Well, yeah. Of course.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but for has every single lifting generation not attempted to get the maximum carryover from what ever gear they had available to them at the time? From the very start of powerlifting.
If the above holds true, then I think it illustrates that equipment has been a part of powerlifting on some form or level ever since it’s inception.
And if every generation has attempted to maximise carryover, then can any of the old time lifters honestly say they would not have worn the gear then, that we have available now?
You (not you specifically HT) can talk about raw powerlifting all you want, but if gear has been around ever since the early days of powerlifting then I’m afraid powerlifting is traditionally a geared sport.
Like it or not, call it fair, call it cheating. But if something has been a part of a sport since it first started then it is impossible to say you should take gear out of powerlifting becasue it is a fundamental part of the sport.[/quote]
fair enough, but you glossed over the fact that “gear” ws used to an extreme, then scaled back, nearly eliminated, then it gradually came back again. would the world end if if it were scaled back again?
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
Heavy, it’s a fair question.
It is interesting to note though, that you chose OL for the example. OL emphasizes a lifter’s technique to a greater extent than PL does, and it emphasizes flexibility to a great extent. So, would adding in suits and thereby increasing the technicality of the lifts. This is, after all, a sport in which Alexeyev(sp?) a great champion, said that his rival Serge Redding was the stronger of the two. So I’m always skeptical when somebody asserts that the stronger man will ALWAYS win in any given “strength sport.”
As far as breaking the records, they would only be breaking records that are 20-some-odd years old, since O-lifting completely redid the weight classes. So in an effort to wipe from the books the record of any lifter who had used drugs they “invalidated” Taranenko’s 272.5 (I believe that’s what it was, not 100% sure) 600 lbs but it doesnt count. I dont care if its to the point where his drug test came back with traces of blood in his test stream, 600 freaking lbs is really impressive. So I think it’s understandable if I dont take even OL current records all that seriously in the first place.
So you’ve got a sport where the better technique beats the superior strength, and records from the past are no longer given credence equal to today’s lifts. Sounds like a lot of the same complaints about powerlifting. So I dont know if a suit would change anything substantive.
But to give your question a straight answer, if a suit like that existed and if it were legal for competition, I’d say Reza better get with it or get left behind.
I’ve said this before on other threads, but to me it’s all about CONTEXT. Normally from the context of the conversation its pretty easy to figure out whether someone is talking about an unequipped bench or a shirted bench. If someone tells you they bench 600 in a shirt, I would think “ok, cool, very solid lift, nice.” If someone told me they bench 600 unequipped, I’m thinking “WOW he’s one of the best unequpped lifters in the world today.” I think that its perfectly acceptable to have distinctive reactions to the two. It’s all about CONTEXT.
Look, dont get me wrong. I think raw lifting is cool. I’m guessing a lot of the guys on here have seen the video clips that are floating around of Sam Byrd’s 705@210 squat, or donnie’s 855@shw from the New England Record Breakers. I am the one who took those videos. I was there because I wanted to see some big time lifters lift some big time weights. I dont care whether its equipped or not. If I were emperor I’d wave my wand and create one fed with 2, possibly 4 divisions. Unequipped and equipped for sure, and probably drug-tested and open sub-divisions for both of those two divisions.
I guess that sums up pretty much how I feel abotu it, if you feel like i didnt answer your question lemme know.[/quote]
great answer kbc,
i think you nailed it. for a while, i was under the thought that todays equiped feds were such a different sport than what i considered pl, that it should actually be separated, not even called pl, maybe GLF, (geared lifting federation) or something like that.
but i think you made a great point, if the feds would consolidate and more meets would have unequiped or minimally equiped divisions, that would make me happy.
What a depressing thread. The only reason I read it is because I respect HT, who is a strong man doing his best with a torn up body and not afraid to post logs with videos of his daily battles.
I do understand the RAW vs. gear issues, and it clearly does cause problems in “comprehending” the relative values of certain PR lifts.
But come on, the lifting community as a whole needs to come together, because nobody else really gives a shit, regardless if it’s PL, OL or BB.
We do this stuff because we love it, right? And not just the PR's, but the training, the discipline, the feeling of being and looking strong.
Maybe I'm too old and out of touch, and don't understand some unwritten internet laws such as trolls must be destroyed, cyber PR's challenged, etc. But I know a bad thing when I see one, and this thread is not in any way constructive, enlightening or entertaining. Or am I missing something? Doc