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[quote]Hanley wrote:
Are people stupid enough to believe that the average guy on the street will EVER relate to powerlifting??? Because that’s really fucking funny.

As KBC said, the average guy on the street has no context for the number some of these guys are putting up. You could just as easily say 500lb or 900lb and he STILL wouldn’t have a clue.

I have absolutely no idea how you can not comprehend something so simple.

If gear was taken out of powerlifting, do you think it would become more popular?

Oh and “what is a 600lb shirted bench equivalent to”? That’s absoultely fucking hilarious and down right stupid.

What’s a 400lb squat by a 165lb guy equivalent to if you’r;e not 165?? (I know there’s forumlas for that, but I don’t think the average guy on the street would care enough to work them out).

What does that tell you? Unless powerlifting can somehow be broadcast so only people who are the same weight as a lifter, with similar bone structue, will have a basis for equivalency. Since that seems to be what you have a hard on for.

Do you not see how ridiculous that is?

MAybe Formula one cars should be made to the specs of road going cars so people can compare. Oh no wait, they already do that, it’s called The Touring Car Championship and no-body gives a shit about it.[/quote]

Did I bring up relative weights. No I didn’t so why are babling about them? No cares about relative weights, 500 lbs is 500 lbs, only people who care are powerlefters in lighter weight classes.

I also disagree that people have no context about numbers, most people have set foot into a gym once in their life so they have an idea.

Your nascar example is also dumb as fuck too, everyone has a context of how fast the cars go, since everyone drives. You don’t need to go 200mph to know that it’s twice as fast as most people ever drive.

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[quote]Joe84 wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
Joe84 wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
Joe84 wrote:

My point was that you CAN’T really compare them you dumb fuck.

no shit asshole, but what does not being able to compare tehm prove? You can’t compare squats and unequipped bench presses either, does that mean squats are you useless?

I cannot think of a SINGLE lift that is “equivalent” to another lift.

Certain individuals may have ‘indicator’ lifts, knowing that if one goes up another lift is likely to go up, and by an approximately similar amount. But that is highly individualized and will not always hold true. Your question “what is a 600 shirted bench equivalent to?” is evidence that you dont have the slightest idea of what you’re talking about, or for that matter, the slightest idea of training in general.

“what is a 600 shirted bench equivalent to?” was a fucking rhetorical question used to illustrate the point that you can’t compare them. Can you comprehend that? I didn’t want or need an actual answer to it but you thought you’d jump all over it like a fag on a dick and see if you could show some of your superior know it all knowledge by rambling on about something that is illrelevant to my post.

Now not being able to compare RAW and geared lifts proves that people cannot RELATE to the sport and therefore will have no interest in watching it or supporting it. Have you ever tried explaining how gear works to a layperson?? I have and it’s a deer in headlights reaction, people think it’s retarded and equate it to cheating.

Can YOU comprehend that you were making a stupid point in saying that you can’t compare an unequipped bench with a shirted bench? Lets try this again - you cant compare shirted benches to unequipped benches, nor to squats, nor to power cleans, nor to curls … are you starting to get the point? I’d like to know how pointing out the fact that you are an idiot qualifies me as “rambling on” about my “know it all knowledge”?

Can you read or what? I said you can’t compare them, so why do you keep saying “you can’t compare them” to me?

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Do you read what you write? You began by bemoaning the fact that you can’t compare the two - now I want to know: WHY IS THAT SO BAD? You can’t compare any exercise to any other exercise across individuals. Why dont you start a thread bemoaning the fact that “Gosh, I can clean more than my training partner, but he can outdeadlift me. IT’s so not fair? I mean, what is a XXX lb deadlift even EQUIVALENT to, anyway?”

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:
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i respect your opinion, you make a good point, but i am sorry i just disagree with you. powerlifting WAS at one time more readily accepted by the public, at my age i remember when on “wide world of sports” that came on the weekends that pl was often covered.

now for some reason that does not happen anymore. you can contend that PL would have fallen off the mainstream radar anyhow, for the reasons you stated above, and you may very well be right.

but one can also contend that the “evolution”(nicest word i could come up with) of the sport into what it is today has made it more confusing and unaccessible to the public and perhaps less understood and respected.

…

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Heavy, I think that’s a pretty fair-minded way of putting it, BUT I would also add this: bodybuilding used to be much more popular as well - Mr. Universe competitions were at one time covered on wide world of sports. Many people might point to the more extreme physiques in todays bodybuilding world as explanation for the decline in popularity, and they may be right.

But as has been pointed out in many retrospective sports journalism pieces is that both horse racing and boxing were once kings of the sports scene - now they lay in shambles. Even the NHL can only be found on the vs. channel now.

I would suggest that it is just possible that sports go through cyclical periods (with the noted lack of any real downturn for the nfl, nba or mlb. THe nba may not be AS popular as when jordan was playing, mlb may not be AS popular as pre-'94 strike, or 98 homerun chase, or pre-Canseco book eras, but they are still billion dollar businesses.) I just dont see it as simple as gear ruining the popularity of PL. i think you touched on a great point when you mentioned the PARTICIPATORY nature of the fan base

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:
Joe84 wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
Joe84 wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
Joe84 wrote:

My point was that you CAN’T really compare them you dumb fuck.

no shit asshole, but what does not being able to compare tehm prove? You can’t compare squats and unequipped bench presses either, does that mean squats are you useless?

I cannot think of a SINGLE lift that is “equivalent” to another lift.

Certain individuals may have ‘indicator’ lifts, knowing that if one goes up another lift is likely to go up, and by an approximately similar amount. But that is highly individualized and will not always hold true. Your question “what is a 600 shirted bench equivalent to?” is evidence that you dont have the slightest idea of what you’re talking about, or for that matter, the slightest idea of training in general.

“what is a 600 shirted bench equivalent to?” was a fucking rhetorical question used to illustrate the point that you can’t compare them. Can you comprehend that? I didn’t want or need an actual answer to it but you thought you’d jump all over it like a fag on a dick and see if you could show some of your superior know it all knowledge by rambling on about something that is illrelevant to my post.

Now not being able to compare RAW and geared lifts proves that people cannot RELATE to the sport and therefore will have no interest in watching it or supporting it. Have you ever tried explaining how gear works to a layperson?? I have and it’s a deer in headlights reaction, people think it’s retarded and equate it to cheating.

Can YOU comprehend that you were making a stupid point in saying that you can’t compare an unequipped bench with a shirted bench? Lets try this again - you cant compare shirted benches to unequipped benches, nor to squats, nor to power cleans, nor to curls … are you starting to get the point? I’d like to know how pointing out the fact that you are an idiot qualifies me as “rambling on” about my “know it all knowledge”?

Can you read or what? I said you can’t compare them, so why do you keep saying “you can’t compare them” to me?

Do you read what you write? You began by bemoaning the fact that you can’t compare the two - now I want to know: WHY IS THAT SO BAD? You can’t compare any exercise to any other exercise across individuals. Why dont you start a thread bemoaning the fact that “Gosh, I can clean more than my training partner, but he can outdeadlift me. IT’s so not fair? I mean, what is a XXX lb deadlift even EQUIVALENT to, anyway?”

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As I already said I used it as an example to point out that people who cannot relate to it will have no interest in the sport.

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:
heavythrower wrote:
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i respect your opinion, you make a good point, but i am sorry i just disagree with you. powerlifting WAS at one time more readily accepted by the public, at my age i remember when on “wide world of sports” that came on the weekends that pl was often covered.

now for some reason that does not happen anymore. you can contend that PL would have fallen off the mainstream radar anyhow, for the reasons you stated above, and you may very well be right.

but one can also contend that the “evolution”(nicest word i could come up with) of the sport into what it is today has made it more confusing and unaccessible to the public and perhaps less understood and respected.

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Heavy, I think that’s a pretty fair-minded way of putting it, BUT I would also add this: bodybuilding used to be much more popular as well - Mr. Universe competitions were at one time covered on wide world of sports. Many people might point to the more extreme physiques in todays bodybuilding world as explanation for the decline in popularity, and they may be right.

But as has been pointed out in many retrospective sports journalism pieces is that both horse racing and boxing were once kings of the sports scene - now they lay in shambles. Even the NHL can only be found on the vs. channel now.

I would suggest that it is just possible that sports go through cyclical periods (with the noted lack of any real downturn for the nfl, nba or mlb. THe nba may not be AS popular as when jordan was playing, mlb may not be AS popular as pre-'94 strike, or 98 homerun chase, or pre-Canseco book eras, but they are still billion dollar businesses.) I just dont see it as simple as gear ruining the popularity of PL. i think you touched on a great point when you mentioned the PARTICIPATORY nature of the fan base[/quote]

Interesting discussion. I have been sitting here over the course of the last couple days watching streaming video of IPF Worlds and from a historical perspective, don’t really feel it presents any differently than it did back when the sport got airtime. However, I am a lifter and fan of the sport so I am biased.

One of the things that has occured to me is that back in the day of Wide World of Sports, man that was a cool show, they had to produce a new show every week. That provided a great opportunity for fringe sports to get some exposure just by virtue of the fact they needed to fill air time and the show was not called “Narrow World of Sports.”

I guess what I am trying to say is, relative to USPF/ADFPA/USAPL/IPF I don’t even think a layperson watching a current video and then watching one from Wide World of Sports would note much difference. It is when we bring in APF/WPO IPA, etc. that it becomes a much different animal (not picking on these feds, just using as an example.)

However, some would argue it is more exciting given the atmosphere and weight being handled. Truth is I don’t know how the general public, from an entertainment standpoint(and I think this is what is often overlooked is for the sport to be mainstream it has to be entertaining to watch. Relativism doesn’t even make the list IMO.) would react to one or the other.

I think we get off track if we spend too much time trying to appeal to the general public and focus on the fact we are not on television and everybody you speak to may not understand the nature of the sport. The sport exists because lifters show up at meets.

The fact of the matter is it is not a particularly exciting sport to watch if you are not familiar with the lifters or are not put in a position to understand what is going on competitively and even then you typically have to wait for pulls to even begin to really have a story.

It is a hard sport to condense and make entertaining for the masses.

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[quote]Joe84 wrote:
Can you read or what? I said you can’t compare them, so why do you keep saying “you can’t compare them” to me?

Do you read what you write? You began by bemoaning the fact that you can’t compare the two - now I want to know: WHY IS THAT SO BAD? You can’t compare any exercise to any other exercise across individuals. Why dont you start a thread bemoaning the fact that “Gosh, I can clean more than my training partner, but he can outdeadlift me. IT’s so not fair? I mean, what is a XXX lb deadlift even EQUIVALENT to, anyway?”

As I already said I used it as an example to point out that people who cannot relate to it will have no interest in the sport. [/quote]

and as I already said

[quote]And dont bring up this crap that “people can’t relate to it” either. The average person cant relate to ANY of the top numbers. Go tell someone that the world record deadlift is 700 - they’ll believe you. They have no concept of what Konstantinov’s 9-something represents. On the other hand Lou Ferrigno writes in his book that he deadlifted 2600 lbs and his editors dont laugh it off the page - because htey dont know.

Or what about the fact that between Mendelson, Winters and Hoornstra we have THREE guys walking this planet who are capable of a 700 bench press, one of whom (Mendelson) has already done it, another (Hoornstra) has done it in training and the third I believe has every ability to do it. The average person on the street doesnt know whether a 550 lb bench press is good, elite, or the world record. Note that I didnt mention Bolton’s 1003 dl or Kennelly’s recent record (1,053?) because all that big, bad gear makes those numbers soooo, hard to comprehend, not like the little, wimpy, easily comprehended raw records.[/quote]

furthermore, even if you COULD get people to conceptualize the weight you would have to change powerlifting to 1/4 squats and bench presses to moving the bar down until your upper arms are about parallel to the floor - or higher if the weight gets heavy. Because THAT is how the “average person” lifts - if they lift at all - in your average commercial gym

Man, and everyone thought the WPO’s squats were high :wink:

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Average guy: What do ya bench?

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: 1,000lbs

Average guy: O wow, that’s a lot, I didn’t think people lifted that much. That’s like half a ton

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: They don’t, I’m just pure awesome and my shirt helps me out a bit.

Average guy: Shirt?

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Ya my powerlifting shirt, helps me lift more

Average guy: How much more?

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: 300lbs

Average guy: Sounds ghey, why do you use that, what’s the point?

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Cause I’m pure awesome

Average guy: Still sounds ghey, I think you mean pure egotistical.

Really who invented this shit and what was the point of it? Why don’t we just make some robot suits with a metal frame and put hydraulic presses in the sleeves.

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[quote]js385787 wrote:

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Ya my powerlifting shirt, helps me lift more

Average guy: How much more?

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: 300lbs

Average guy: Sounds ghey, why do you use that, what’s the point?

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Cause I’m pure awesome

[/quote]

Bench shirts are gay? Might be true. Arguably, a lot of powerlifting culture is kind of gay. Spotting? Hand-offs? Helping someone get in or out of their gay gear? Giving someone a shot- and not a delt shot? This is all stuff with serious homo overtones.

Hell- take a look around at a meet- what do you see? A bunch of hairy, beefy dudes with sleeveless shirts, tats, shaved heads and goatees- a total fucking bear-fest and hardly a woman in sight. I need to get out of this gay sport and get into something macho- like posing shirtless on my MySpace profile.

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[quote]Pinto wrote:

Bench shirts are gay? Might be true. Arguably, a lot of powerlifting culture is kind of gay. Spotting? Hand-offs? Helping someone get in or out of their gay gear? Giving someone a shot- and not a delt shot? This is all stuff with serious homo overtones.

Hell- take a look around at a meet- what do you see? A bunch of hairy, beefy dudes with sleeveless shirts, tats, shaved heads and goatees- a total fucking bear-fest and hardly a woman in sight. I need to get out of this gay sport and get into something macho- like posing shirtless on my MySpace profile.[/quote]

Well I meant ghey as in all that ridiculous over the top and unnecessary equipment is dumb, not as in powerlifting makes you a homo, but anyway, ya you should get all over that.

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[quote]js385787 wrote:
Average guy: What do ya bench?

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: 1,000lbs

Average guy: O wow, that’s a lot, I didn’t think people lifted that much. That’s like half a ton

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: They don’t, I’m just pure awesome and my shirt helps me out a bit.

Average guy: Shirt?

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Ya my powerlifting shirt, helps me lift more

Average guy: How much more?

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: 300lbs

Average guy: Sounds ghey, why do you use that, what’s the point?

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Cause I’m pure awesome

Average guy: Still sounds ghey, I think you mean pure egotistical.

Really who invented this shit and what was the point of it? Why don’t we just make some robot suits with a metal frame and put hydraulic presses in the sleeves. [/quote]

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Oh yeah? What do you bench?

Average guy: Oh I don’t bench, it’s dangerous for your shoulders

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: I see, so do you know what powerlifting actually is then?

Average guy: yeah man, it’s that thing where you pick up the stones and run around with weights in your hand

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: shakes his head and walks off wondering why the fuck people want to change the sport he loves and has commited the last 20 years of his life training for, and has spend tens of thousands of $'s on so that some jackass with no clue as to what the sport is and probably will never have no more than a passing interest will feel that it is more “acceptable” and “valid”

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[quote]Hanley wrote:
js385787 wrote:
Average guy: What do ya bench?

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: 1,000lbs

Average guy: O wow, that’s a lot, I didn’t think people lifted that much. That’s like half a ton

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: They don’t, I’m just pure awesome and my shirt helps me out a bit.

Average guy: Shirt?

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Ya my powerlifting shirt, helps me lift more

Average guy: How much more?

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: 300lbs

Average guy: Sounds ghey, why do you use that, what’s the point?

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Cause I’m pure awesome

Average guy: Still sounds ghey, I think you mean pure egotistical.

Really who invented this shit and what was the point of it? Why don’t we just make some robot suits with a metal frame and put hydraulic presses in the sleeves.

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Oh yeah? What do you bench?

Average guy: Oh I don’t bench, it’s dangerous for your shoulders

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: I see, so do you know what powerlifting actually is then?

Average guy: yeah man, it’s that thing where you pick up the stones and run around with weights in your hand

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: shakes his head and walks off wondering why the fuck people want to change the sport he loves and has commited the last 20 years of his life training for, and has spend tens of thousands of $'s on so that some jackass with no clue as to what the sport is and probably will never have no more than a passing interest will feel that it is more “acceptable” and “valid”
[/quote]

Ditto.

At least we got the OP out of here…

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[quote]Hanley wrote:

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Oh yeah? What do you bench?

Average guy: Oh I don’t bench, it’s dangerous for your shoulders

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: I see, so do you know what powerlifting actually is then?

Average guy: yeah man, it’s that thing where you pick up the stones and run around with weights in your hand

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: shakes his head and walks off wondering why the fuck people want to change the sport he loves and has commited the last 20 years of his life training for, and has spend tens of thousands of $'s on so that some jackass with no clue as to what the sport is and probably will never have no more than a passing interest will feel that it is more “acceptable” and “valid”
[/quote]

js385787 benches more than hanley, and doesn’t even compete in powerlifting so stick that down your pipe and smoke it mr powerlifter.

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[quote]Joe84 wrote:
Hanley wrote:

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Oh yeah? What do you bench?

Average guy: Oh I don’t bench, it’s dangerous for your shoulders

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: I see, so do you know what powerlifting actually is then?

Average guy: yeah man, it’s that thing where you pick up the stones and run around with weights in your hand

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: shakes his head and walks off wondering why the fuck people want to change the sport he loves and has commited the last 20 years of his life training for, and has spend tens of thousands of $'s on so that some jackass with no clue as to what the sport is and probably will never have no more than a passing interest will feel that it is more “acceptable” and “valid”

js385787 benches more than hanley, and doesn’t even compete in powerlifting so stick that down your pipe and smoke it mr powerlifter.
[/quote]

Oh wow, do you think I fucking care?

How old is js"numbers"?

How heavy is he?

How long is he training?

Does he have a scar running from the top of his shoulder down underneath his arm pit because he had to have his shoulder completely reconstructed because he dislocated it 15 times?

PS i’m sure his dick is much bigger than my dick too.

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[quote]Hanley wrote:

Oh wow, do you think I fucking care?

How old is js"numbers"?

How heavy is he?

How long is he training?

Does he have a scar running from the top of his shoulder down underneath his arm pit because he had to have his shoulder completely reconstructed because he dislocated it 15 times?

PS i’m sure his dick is much bigger than my dick too.[/quote]

Actually Hanley, he doesn’t bench more than you because he doesn’t fucking compete. Not even worthy of a response.

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[quote]js385787 wrote:

Well I meant ghey as in all that ridiculous over the top and unnecessary equipment is dumb, not as in powerlifting makes you a homo, but anyway, ya you should get all over that. [/quote]

Aren’t all gym antics pretty much unnecessary? I mean, I like lifting weights and all, but I reckon I could get by o.k. if I didn’t.

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[quote]Hanley wrote:
Joe84 wrote:
Hanley wrote:

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Oh yeah? What do you bench?

Average guy: Oh I don’t bench, it’s dangerous for your shoulders

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: I see, so do you know what powerlifting actually is then?

Average guy: yeah man, it’s that thing where you pick up the stones and run around with weights in your hand

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: shakes his head and walks off wondering why the fuck people want to change the sport he loves and has commited the last 20 years of his life training for, and has spend tens of thousands of $'s on so that some jackass with no clue as to what the sport is and probably will never have no more than a passing interest will feel that it is more “acceptable” and “valid”

js385787 benches more than hanley, and doesn’t even compete in powerlifting so stick that down your pipe and smoke it mr powerlifter.

Oh wow, do you think I fucking care?

How old is js"numbers"?

How heavy is he?

How long is he training?

Does he have a scar running from the top of his shoulder down underneath his arm pit because he had to have his shoulder completely reconstructed because he dislocated it 15 times?

PS i’m sure his dick is much bigger than my dick too.[/quote]

If you don’t care then why ask how big he is or how old his numbers are and how long he’s training???

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[quote]Joe84 wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Joe84 wrote:
Hanley wrote:

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Oh yeah? What do you bench?

Average guy: Oh I don’t bench, it’s dangerous for your shoulders

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: I see, so do you know what powerlifting actually is then?

Average guy: yeah man, it’s that thing where you pick up the stones and run around with weights in your hand

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: shakes his head and walks off wondering why the fuck people want to change the sport he loves and has commited the last 20 years of his life training for, and has spend tens of thousands of $'s on so that some jackass with no clue as to what the sport is and probably will never have no more than a passing interest will feel that it is more “acceptable” and “valid”

js385787 benches more than hanley, and doesn’t even compete in powerlifting so stick that down your pipe and smoke it mr powerlifter.

Oh wow, do you think I fucking care?

How old is js"numbers"?

How heavy is he?

How long is he training?

Does he have a scar running from the top of his shoulder down underneath his arm pit because he had to have his shoulder completely reconstructed because he dislocated it 15 times?

PS i’m sure his dick is much bigger than my dick too.

If you don’t care then why ask how big he is or how old his numbers are and how long he’s training???
[/quote]

I assume you have none of the above information from the reply?

I don’t care in that it will keep me up and night, and I’ll attempt to cry myself to sleep. But since you’ve made a statement like you have, it needs to be backed up by facts. You fail to state his actual bench press amount also.

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[quote]apwsearch wrote:
Hanley wrote:

Oh wow, do you think I fucking care?

How old is js"numbers"?

How heavy is he?

How long is he training?

Does he have a scar running from the top of his shoulder down underneath his arm pit because he had to have his shoulder completely reconstructed because he dislocated it 15 times?

PS i’m sure his dick is much bigger than my dick too.

Actually Hanley, he doesn’t bench more than you because he doesn’t fucking compete. Not even worthy of a response.[/quote]

Super, so just because someone doesn’t compete all geared up in whatever fed they lift zero in everything? Is that about how it works?

Just because you suit up and step under a bar it don’t mean you’re stronger than everyone who doesn’t, (exception to those at the TOP of the game).

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[quote]Hanley wrote:
Joe84 wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Joe84 wrote:
Hanley wrote:

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Oh yeah? What do you bench?

Average guy: Oh I don’t bench, it’s dangerous for your shoulders

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: I see, so do you know what powerlifting actually is then?

Average guy: yeah man, it’s that thing where you pick up the stones and run around with weights in your hand

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: shakes his head and walks off wondering why the fuck people want to change the sport he loves and has commited the last 20 years of his life training for, and has spend tens of thousands of $'s on so that some jackass with no clue as to what the sport is and probably will never have no more than a passing interest will feel that it is more “acceptable” and “valid”

js385787 benches more than hanley, and doesn’t even compete in powerlifting so stick that down your pipe and smoke it mr powerlifter.

Oh wow, do you think I fucking care?

How old is js"numbers"?

How heavy is he?

How long is he training?

Does he have a scar running from the top of his shoulder down underneath his arm pit because he had to have his shoulder completely reconstructed because he dislocated it 15 times?

PS i’m sure his dick is much bigger than my dick too.

If you don’t care then why ask how big he is or how old his numbers are and how long he’s training???

I assume you have none of the above information from the reply?

I don’t care in that it will keep me up and night, and I’ll attempt to cry myself to sleep. But since you’ve made a statement like you have, it needs to be backed up by facts. You fail to state his actual bench press amount also.
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He benches around 400 at a BW of ~215, and I train with him occasionaly, which is how I know.

You made fun of op’s numbers so don’t whine when someone does the same to you. Now I actually think your RAW numbers are pretty good but I take offense to you insinuation that just because someone doesn’t compete that they don’t know nothing and can’t lift nothing.

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[quote]Joe84 wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Joe84 wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Joe84 wrote:
Hanley wrote:

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: Oh yeah? What do you bench?

Average guy: Oh I don’t bench, it’s dangerous for your shoulders

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: I see, so do you know what powerlifting actually is then?

Average guy: yeah man, it’s that thing where you pick up the stones and run around with weights in your hand

Triple denim ammonia snorting guy: shakes his head and walks off wondering why the fuck people want to change the sport he loves and has commited the last 20 years of his life training for, and has spend tens of thousands of $'s on so that some jackass with no clue as to what the sport is and probably will never have no more than a passing interest will feel that it is more “acceptable” and “valid”

js385787 benches more than hanley, and doesn’t even compete in powerlifting so stick that down your pipe and smoke it mr powerlifter.

Oh wow, do you think I fucking care?

How old is js"numbers"?

How heavy is he?

How long is he training?

Does he have a scar running from the top of his shoulder down underneath his arm pit because he had to have his shoulder completely reconstructed because he dislocated it 15 times?

PS i’m sure his dick is much bigger than my dick too.

If you don’t care then why ask how big he is or how old his numbers are and how long he’s training???

I assume you have none of the above information from the reply?

I don’t care in that it will keep me up and night, and I’ll attempt to cry myself to sleep. But since you’ve made a statement like you have, it needs to be backed up by facts. You fail to state his actual bench press amount also.

He benches around 400 at a BW of ~215, and I train with him occasionaly, which is how I know.

You made fun of op’s numbers so don’t whine when someone does the same to you. Now I actually think your RAW numbers are pretty good but I take offense to you insinuation that just because someone doesn’t compete that they don’t know nothing and can’t lift nothing.[/quote]

Good for him, that’s not a bad bench.

I made fun of the OP’s numbers because he made a blanket statement about having no respect for anyone who wears gear and how their lifts mean shit all.

I made no insinuation that people who don’t compete have worthless numbers.

For the record, I’m 21 and could walk into the gym any day of the week and put up a total that would place me in the top 10 of ALL the USAPL 220lb junior results last year. You think that would be enough to gain even a little bit of respect. But no, not on T-Nation, home of the hardcore.