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[quote]apwsearch wrote:
Look. You are either unwilling or are too stupid to realize that every time you post you further erode your credibility.

The article you posted by Boyle talks about one lifer who competes in WPC. Their lifting standards, gear allowance and weigh in rules are about as far out there as they get. It is an poor example to base as broad sweeping of an opinion as you are and is just another example of how far out of touch you are.

IRT Hatfield, I am going to treat the man with respect and assume he would not degrade his own daughter’s accomplishments. If you have a problem with this, so be it.

IRT Crain, I am way too fucking busy to go searching the internet to find posts, etc. Anybody who has been in the sport will confirm my characterization of him. It’s out there in front of everybody.

Calling me out? Buddy, you don’t even compete. At the base level you lack the ability to call me out.[/quote]

You still haven’t posted any facts. Links to posts, actual quotes. Or your numbers.

Barry

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[quote]Hanley wrote:
mozhne wrote:

My very best lifts: Bench: 352 (kilos used in contest, reason for 352 rather than 350…) No bench shirt, 198 lb. class. Squat: 550 used an Inzer Squat suit and those wraps that are black and red. My best real squat right before that meet was 465 and it was high. Deadlift: 596. Didn’t even know there was Deadlift support gear. So there you go. That’s it.

Last time I lifted in a meet was in Pocatello, Idaho in 2000. Had some decent lifts but there was a guy from Boise who kicked my ass. He opened with my third in the squat. You know how that ended.

Barry

Wooooooahhhhh this thread jsut got REALLY fucking funny.

If you’re going to go and say you’ve no respect for anyone who doesn’t lift to the standards RE gear that you’ve decided you could at least have achieved something.

I’m not in the habit of insulting ANYONE’s lifts, but since I’m one of the people you’ve no respect for since I compete in single ply gear I think I can make an exception.

You’ve put up those lifts with 15-20ish years of training? To be honest unless you’re severly disabled you’ve no right to comment on how anyone trains/lifts/competes with numbers like that because you obviously have no idea what you’re doing.

You’re not even a has-been. You’re a never was. Maybe that’s why you’re so bitter.

And before you ask, I’m 21, training about 3 years, best raw lifts of around 450/315/520 at 205-210. Best geared lifts of 485 (and will be close to 530 at the WDFPF world champs in 4 weeks)/400/550. Now, it’s all out in the open slag my lifts too if you want.

I don’t want to speak for APWsearch, but as someone who has a great deal of respect for him, and values his opinions highly I will say this. You’re a NOBODY next to him. His lifts are irrelevant, but I know he out pulls you. One of the reason he’s so well respected around here is because he knows what he’s talking about, unlike you. And has the experience and results with other lifters to back it up.[/quote]

Read what I said, the numbers I posted are the best I got. That is it. I don’t think I could have done anymore as I didn’t do anymore. You posted your lifts. Nice work. Not bad lifts. It takes some guts to post your real unsuited lifts and I respect that.

But man, stay real. Leave the gear alone before you are dragged into mortal hell. Just joking. Seriously though you have a decent start. Why not prove your strength in the Raw world? And yea I lifted for many years. Give it awhile son, there’s lots of stops and starts between you and 43 years old. Talk to me about training 15 to 20 years after you have done it.

Barry

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[quote]undeadlift wrote:
mozhne wrote:
Who holds the raw WR for the bench press, and what is the raw WR for the squat?

I don’t know but that guy squatting in the video on the link posted must be close. That is a hell of a lot of weight. Don’t know the Bench either. Maybe Kaz, Maybe there is somebody now who has benched as much. Those guys have my respect.

Barry

Scott Mendelson, a shirted lifter who has lifted 1000 lbs on the bench, holds the bench WR @ 715 lbs. The raw squat is 948 lbs by Mark Henry. This means that if you take away the shirt from a shirted lifter, it doesn’t mean he’s worthless. It also means that everybody who squats 1000 lbs must be “a joke” to you.[/quote]

  1. wow. 948? is that without wraps? If so that is incredible. Like I said I saw 1000 on the bar.(Austin, 1983) It was awe inspiring. Taking the shirt away doesn’t make him worthless but 715 is a far cry from 1000. You know what is interesting is how really thick those guys are. Moran came walking by me in the hotel lobby.(going back to '83)

I’m 5’8" and he was shorter than I am but thick. Holy hell. There was a guy I knew who made it to the sr. nationals one year as a 220. The guy who publishes Powerlifting USA came up to him and told him he was awfully tall for a 220 and this guy was about 5’7".

Barry

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[quote]apwsearch wrote:
Hanley wrote:

Wooooooahhhhh this thread jsut got REALLY fucking funny.

If you’re going to go and say you’ve no respect for anyone who doesn’t lift to the standards RE gear that you’ve decided you could at least have achieved something.

I’m not in the habit of insulting ANYONE’s lifts, but since I’m one of the people you’ve no respect for since I compete in single ply gear I think I can make an exception.

You’ve put up those lifts with 15-20ish years of training? To be honest unless you’re severly disabled you’ve no right to comment on how anyone trains/lifts/competes with numbers like that because you obviously have no idea what you’re doing.

You’re not even a has-been. You’re a never was. Maybe that’s why you’re so bitter.

And before you ask, I’m 21, training about 3 years, best raw lifts of around 450/315/520 at 205-210. Best geared lifts of 485 (and will be close to 530 at the WDFPF world champs in 4 weeks)/400/550. Now, it’s all out in the open slag my lifts too if you want.

I don’t want to speak for APWsearch, but as someone who has a great deal of respect for him, and values his opinions highly I will say this. You’re a NOBODY next to him. His lifts are irrelevant, but I know he out pulls you. One of the reason he’s so well respected around here is because he knows what he’s talking about, unlike you. And has the experience and results with other lifters to back it up.

Thanks, Hanley. I respect you as well and appreciate the kind words.

This guy has overcommitted. He came on too strong at the start and now lacks the ability to finish.

The only reason numbers are becoming such a focus for him is because he has nowhere to go but downward with his current tract and is looking for a way out.

Needless to say, I’m not going to give it to him by trading e-lifts. It’s too easy of a way out for both of us.[/quote]

I’m not looking for a way out. Out of what? This is kind of fun in a weird way. What is interesting to me is how you attack me yet you post no facts of your own and then say I’m too busy. If you were too busy you’d never waste time here. Notice the guys that are making the news don’t have much time to screw around on forums with washed up powerlifters.

Me I’m not too busy. Shoot I have nothing better to do. Can’t dance and it’s too wet to plow. I am however going hunting in the great Centennial range. Now that is real wilderness, This mountain range runs right on the Montana border from Yellowstone to Salmon. Full of Wolves and Grizzly bears although I have yet to see one. If you are good boys and girls I will share a hunting tale when I get back.

Barry

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[quote]mozhne wrote:
Taking the shirt away doesn’t make him worthless but 715 is a far cry from 1000.[/quote]

Didn’t you say something earlier like: "take away the new gear and you have nothing… "

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[quote]mozhne wrote:
… if you are going to compete, compete in one of these raw deals. Everything else is a joke. http://www.rawpowerlifting.com/videos.htm

Barry[/quote]

[quote]
Why not prove your strength in the Raw world?[/quote]

Because I’d rather be bottom of the barrel than top of the heap with my numbers. Hell, inside a year I’ll have the world record DL in the RAW fed. That ain’t right at my level of development. The level of competition in raw feds isn’t anywhere close to what I’m looking to achieve. Screw that. I’m going to compete in the geared feds w/o gear.

Everybody needs to just take a timeout and go eat some boxes of Oreos (for DFT) or something. I think gears out of hand in some feds, but who cares. You do what it takes to win. I wouldn’t respect anything less. Personally I favor a tightening of gear standards (because they still in fact have protective purposes), but I’m not going to bash people that use extreme gear because that’s dumb.

Unless they’re newbs. Anyone who’s put in the time and effort to achieve something has the right to do what they damn well please. Those who haven’t do not. Therefore my mouth stays shut until I achieve my goals.

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[quote]undeadlift wrote:
mozhne wrote:
Taking the shirt away doesn’t make him worthless but 715 is a far cry from 1000.

Didn’t you say something earlier like: "take away the new gear and you have nothing… "[/quote]

Probably so. Ok you want it you got it. The 1000 lb bench is worthless because it was done in supportive gear. The 715 is heroic. He should have a bronze statue made of him benching 715 placed in the town square of every city in the US of A.

Barry

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[quote]jlesk68 wrote:
Last I heard, geared lifters don’t compete against raw lifters, it’s two different things so stop hating. My only problem is when a shirted bencher says that he benches xxx lbs and does not specify that he used gear.[/quote]

…which is how virtually every geared lifter announces their numbers to the world.

Geared lifters need to face the facts. There’s no legitimate reason for gear beyond single ply and almost everyone who uses gear does it for the ego boost.

My biggest complaint about geared lifting is that it reduces competition in raw meets (obviously).

Think how great a competition would be if everyone went to a meet and didn’t spend 30 minutes getting their ass wedged into cheater gear, and lifted based on their own strength.

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:
mozhne wrote:
… if you are going to compete, compete in one of these raw deals. Everything else is a joke. http://www.rawpowerlifting.com/videos.htm

Barry

Why not prove your strength in the Raw world?

Because I’d rather be bottom of the barrel than top of the heap with my numbers. Hell, inside a year I’ll have the world record DL in the RAW fed. That ain’t right at my level of development. The level of competition in raw feds isn’t anywhere close to what I’m looking to achieve. Screw that. I’m going to compete in the geared feds w/o gear.

Everybody needs to just take a timeout and go eat some boxes of Oreos (for DFT) or something. I think gears out of hand in some feds, but who cares. You do what it takes to win. I wouldn’t respect anything less. Personally I favor a tightening of gear standards (because they still in fact have protective purposes), but I’m not going to bash people that use extreme gear because that’s dumb.

Unless they’re newbs. Anyone who’s put in the time and effort to achieve something has the right to do what they damn well please. Those who haven’t do not. Therefore my mouth stays shut until I achieve my goals.[/quote]

Right on! You are going to compete in geared feds w/o gear. You got it. Way to go. I tried and did compete without a shirt but I didn’t have the guts to give up my suit. The Powerlifting world needs more lifters like you.
Barry

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I FOUND IT!! apwsearch please pucker up and kiss my ass!!

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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:10 am Post subject:

Scopec and the rest of y’all, I agree with Mary 100 percent. Everything she said I agree with, and everything said by y’all that was contrary I DISAGREE with!

Hear me?

Powerlifting has become a NON-sport! I love strength. This event is no longer one that displays strength; rather, it DEFIES it through the use of supportive garb! It is no longer important in my life! I reject it as Mary has.

It has become anathema to sport!

(Wikipedia it, dammit!)

There you go. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it. The whole thread is titled “The real reason I left Powerlifting” and is found on Dr.Squat. This is me doing the sack dance all over your prone form lying quivering on the turf. READ what Dr. Squat has to say. DO you COMPREHEND the meaning of his words. Comprehension is the understanding of the written or spoken word. Savvy? Now don’t take my silence for the next several days as a sign that I am leaving this conversation. I am going hunting and will be far away from any computers.

Barry

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[quote]mozhne wrote:

I’m not looking for a way out. Out of what? This is kind of fun in a weird way. What is interesting to me is how you attack me yet you post no facts of your own and then say I’m too busy. If you were too busy you’d never waste time here. Notice the guys that are making the news don’t have much time to screw around on forums with washed up powerlifters.

Me I’m not too busy. Shoot I have nothing better to do. Can’t dance and it’s too wet to plow. I am however going hunting in the great Centennial range. Now that is real wilderness, This mountain range runs right on the Montana border from Yellowstone to Salmon. Full of Wolves and Grizzly bears although I have yet to see one. If you are good boys and girls I will share a hunting tale when I get back.

Barry
[/quote]

I am through with you, dude. I out totaled your silly ass at 23 (15 years ago) as a 181. Z-suit, wraps and a blast shirt. I’m not too concerned with you now.

You know what? It adds nothing to this conversation and is just an attempt on your behalf to deflect from the fact you popped off with nothing to back it up.

I don’t need to back up any of my replies because they are self-evident. Anybody with a clue about either Hatfield or Crain would already know what I am saying and is in tune with my assumptions about what it was in regards to.

Your opinion means nothing to me and truthfully I thought it would be entertaining to facilitate you looking like and ass but the fact of the matter is I am bored with you now. Go back to selling potatoes and leave PL with the guys who still have enough hair on their sack to compete.

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[quote]mozhne wrote:
I FOUND IT!! apwsearch please pucker up and kiss my ass!!

Dr. Squat
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:10 am Post subject:

Scopec and the rest of y’all, I agree with Mary 100 percent. Everything she said I agree with, and everything said by y’all that was contrary I DISAGREE with!

Hear me?

Powerlifting has become a NON-sport! I love strength. This event is no longer one that displays strength; rather, it DEFIES it through the use of supportive garb! It is no longer important in my life! I reject it as Mary has.

It has become anathema to sport!

(Wikipedia it, dammit!)

There you go. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it. The whole thread is titled “The real reason I left Powerlifting” and is found on Dr.Squat. This is me doing the sack dance all over your prone form lying quivering on the turf. READ what Dr. Squat has to say. DO you COMPREHEND the meaning of his words. Comprehension is the understanding of the written or spoken word. Savvy? Now don’t take my silence for the next several days as a sign that I am leaving this conversation. I am going hunting and will be far away from any computers.

Barry

[/quote]

Then Hatfield is a fucking hypocrite and an angry, bitter old man like you.

You still have not provided context, asswipe, so it is still meaningless.

Comprende?

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[quote]bulletproof_ wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
Last I heard, geared lifters don’t compete against raw lifters, it’s two different things so stop hating. My only problem is when a shirted bencher says that he benches xxx lbs and does not specify that he used gear.

…which is how virtually every geared lifter announces their numbers to the world.

Geared lifters need to face the facts. There’s no legitimate reason for gear beyond single ply and almost everyone who uses gear does it for the ego boost.

My biggest complaint about geared lifting is that it reduces competition in raw meets (obviously).

Think how great a competition would be if everyone went to a meet and didn’t spend 30 minutes getting their ass wedged into cheater gear, and lifted based on their own strength.

[/quote]

Well said.

Barry

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[quote]apwsearch wrote:
mozhne wrote:
I FOUND IT!! apwsearch please pucker up and kiss my ass!!

Dr. Squat
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Joined: 28 May 2006
Posts: 1125

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:10 am Post subject:

Scopec and the rest of y’all, I agree with Mary 100 percent. Everything she said I agree with, and everything said by y’all that was contrary I DISAGREE with!

Hear me?

Powerlifting has become a NON-sport! I love strength. This event is no longer one that displays strength; rather, it DEFIES it through the use of supportive garb! It is no longer important in my life! I reject it as Mary has.

It has become anathema to sport!

(Wikipedia it, dammit!)

There you go. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it. The whole thread is titled “The real reason I left Powerlifting” and is found on Dr.Squat. This is me doing the sack dance all over your prone form lying quivering on the turf. READ what Dr. Squat has to say. DO you COMPREHEND the meaning of his words. Comprehension is the understanding of the written or spoken word. Savvy? Now don’t take my silence for the next several days as a sign that I am leaving this conversation. I am going hunting and will be far away from any computers.

Barry

Then Hatfield is a fucking hypocrite and an angry, bitter old man like you.

You still have not provided context, asswipe, so it is still meaningless.

Comprende?

[/quote]

Not good enough. Slam dunk over your head. I see I hit a nerve. Tough to say you were wrong huh? That is a bitter pill to swallow bro and you are choking on it.

Barry

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K seriously is this debate still going on? I gave up on internet to discuss strength training like five years ago because all it was was a bunch of ppl trash talking real lifters from the safety of their mom’s basement courtesy of the anonymity provider by the internet. Raw or Gear, roids or clean, olympic lifting or powerlifting.

Whatever man just shut up and train. I used to think that there were two types of people in the gym - those that lifted to get better and those that just took up space and talked on their cell phones. I guess it turns out there is a third type, the guy that needs to be better than everyone - probably has a never opened copy of supertraining and a reverse hyper machine gathering dust in his basement and gets more joy in judging than he does from making any real progress himself.

Get over it man, I’m not sure why ppl feel the need to create more boundaries in a group that is already too damn small but maybe its not really about the merits of one style of lifting so much as never having to have a rational exchange of ideas, which would require study, or compare lifts - which would require some heavy training.

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Another gem from the great Dr.Squat. Notice the word he uses to describe geared Powerlifting. Joke. Great minds think alike:)

Dr. Squat
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:28 am Post subject:

Quote:
I like how it’s not considered a sport anymore but we will glady put a pic of CHarles Bailey on the website to sell more product!

This forum is here to discuss viewpoints. Mine included. Charles is a great powerlifter, and deserves respect. So does Mary Douglas. So, in fact. did I when I lifted. We are a special breed of people in that we all strive for the same goal.

My point was that supportive garb has become a joke, and the whole world knows it. I am as convinced as I can be that Charles would win WITHOUT garb, so long as everyone else played by the same rules!

How you like them apples? Man this is too easy. Shootin fish in a barrel.
Barry

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One more. Oh this is good.

Chuck

Joined: 18 Jan 2007
Posts: 9

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:13 am Post subject:

I should check this forum more often. It appears to be heading in the right direction.

Dr Squat wrote:

“Powerlifting has become a NON-sport! I love strength. This event is no longer one that displays strength; rather, it DEFIES it through the use of supportive garb! It is no longer important in my life”

“My point was that supportive garb has become a joke, and the whole world knows it.”

The honesty commands respect. In this regard, you are highly praised, sir.

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Dr. Squat
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:08 am Post subject:

Thanks for the “praise,” but I just don’t feel like making it a “jubilee” event in my life! I HATE that this is happening, and in fact RESENT it vehemently!

See. The great man mourns the death of the sport as he knows it. You geared guys are riding a dead horse. You just don’t realize it.

Barry

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[quote]mozhne wrote:

Not good enough. Slam dunk over your head. I see I hit a nerve. Tough to say you were wrong huh? That is a bitter pill to swallow bro and you are choking on it.

Barry

[/quote]

No. You didn’t hit a nerve that wasn’t already struck.

You clearly have the IQ of a turnip and no amount of discourse is going to tune you into the fact that:

  1. Hatfield was a geared lifter.
  2. His daughter is a prominent IPF/USAPL lifter.
  3. You still have not provided context. Similar to comprehension I suspect you are struggling with this term as well. Basically, what I am asking for is a link to the entire body of the post so I can see what context Hatfield posted this b/c on a blanket level he puts himself in a precarious position and I have got to think he is smart enough to not make statements on his own website that are self-defeating.

Seriously, go away. You are too stupid to realize I have absolutely tied you up in knots and you have not once responded with anything even close to giving you a grain of credibility.

I took a dump this morning that was more important to me than you and probably had a higher IQ as well.

Finished with you potato head.

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Yes, mozhne is a troll, but it does appear that those posts from Hatfield are genuine.

http://drsquat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2118

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[quote]mozhne wrote:
I FOUND IT!! apwsearch please pucker up and kiss my ass!!

Dr. Squat
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Joined: 28 May 2006
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:10 am Post subject:

Scopec and the rest of y’all, I agree with Mary 100 percent. Everything she said I agree with, and everything said by y’all that was contrary I DISAGREE with!

Hear me?

Powerlifting has become a NON-sport! I love strength. This event is no longer one that displays strength; rather, it DEFIES it through the use of supportive garb! It is no longer important in my life! I reject it as Mary has.

It has become anathema to sport!

(Wikipedia it, dammit!)

There you go. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it. The whole thread is titled “The real reason I left Powerlifting” and is found on Dr.Squat. This is me doing the sack dance all over your prone form lying quivering on the turf. READ what Dr. Squat has to say. DO you COMPREHEND the meaning of his words. Comprehension is the understanding of the written or spoken word. Savvy? Now don’t take my silence for the next several days as a sign that I am leaving this conversation. I am going hunting and will be far away from any computers.

Barry

[/quote]

So your basing your personal bias on another person’s, well, personal bias?