Oddly enough, my energy was fine, higher than normal! Probably due to the fact that I am not carrying an extra 30lbs of fat And when I eat light, I just FEEL light, ya know?
yes, being hungry sucks, but I would just eat more broccoli ;D
Thats how you know you are truly hungry, when a big bowl of veggies sounds like the best thing you ever ate!
I did three total body workouts a week…not even the 2-4 days of walks that are considered ok to do…most everything was 3x8,but some days I felt like mixing it up and would do 4x5-6
Looking forward to my next round, where I hope to FINALLY dip into the 170s!! Ill start again on the 30th of NOV.
Mom, after three and half weeks, I ended it two days ago. I couldn’t bear it anymore. The first time I did it, I was fine for almost 5 weeks and was planning on 6 weeks. I really don’t know why this time around I was done mentally after 3 weeks. I lost 15 pounds this time. I’m down to 212#. I’m not shredded now but getting fairly lean. The rest will have to be worked off with more activity and a lifestyle diet. I don’t think I’ll experiment with RFL anytime soon again.
Whats up everyone, Im starting the plan on Monday. As a catergory 2 im going to give it 4 weeks and then take two weeks off for new year (im on vacation for two weeks and hitting the beach :).
I guess ill just use this thread as a log and post up some pics and measurements. Sounds like its going to be a hell of a four weeks!
I am going to try this on monday. But I dunno how long I’ll be on it since I just need to lose about 8-9 lbs as I am lean now but just want to be totally lean.
It’ll be quite the experience I bet since I’ve never gone that low on calories before.
i read a log somewhere in the internet about a guy who did it with only shakes (not the V-diet).
So i’ll use that approach, i’ll consume 6 shakes a day (50 gr of whey each) and one serving on 100gr of sardines.
I’ll try this approach because i’ve been dieting for the last 5 months and hit a really hard plateau (almost lost 50pounds). I’m currently at 218-219pounds at 5’9".
[quote]tuchavito wrote:
So today is my first day on such a diet.
i read a log somewhere in the internet about a guy who did it with only shakes (not the V-diet).
So i’ll use that approach, i’ll consume 6 shakes a day (50 gr of whey each) and one serving on 100gr of sardines.
I’ll try this approach because i’ve been dieting for the last 5 months and hit a really hard plateau (almost lost 50pounds). I’m currently at 218-219pounds at 5’9".
Wish me luck[/quote]
Haha, now that sounds truly horrible. How many calories are you going to consume each day? I am going to try the diet with about 1000 calories a day. But I am going with chicken breast, egg whites, and a piece of salmon, lots of broccoli and fish oil.
Just consuming whey would to me be terrible. But I guess you won’t find out unless you try.
[quote]tuchavito wrote:
So today is my first day on such a diet.
i read a log somewhere in the internet about a guy who did it with only shakes (not the V-diet).
So i’ll use that approach, i’ll consume 6 shakes a day (50 gr of whey each) and one serving on 100gr of sardines.
I’ll try this approach because i’ve been dieting for the last 5 months and hit a really hard plateau (almost lost 50pounds). I’m currently at 218-219pounds at 5’9".
Wish me luck[/quote]
Congrats on losing that much weight bud. Do you have any problems with loose skin/stretch marks?
Thing is with Protein shakes alone, your not getting much vitamins and satiety will be pretty low…id say by the second day youll be gagging on the shakes. Worth a shot tho
I believe relying on shakes heavily is a bad idea because of the extremely low intake of fiber and micronutrients and low satiety.
Even if I chose to do the V-Diet, I wouldn’t rely on shakes. Chris Shugart is down on doing his diet with food, but his reasons have only to do with behavioral issues, NOT that the diet can’t be just as effective with whole food if adhered to with his nutrient and caloric recommendations.
Congrats on losing that much weight bud. Do you have any problems with loose skin/stretch marks?
Thing is with Protein shakes alone, your not getting much vitamins and satiety will be pretty low…id say by the second day youll be gagging on the shakes. Worth a shot tho
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Thanks man, actually yeah i have some loose skin on my arms, and stretch marks, well thay appeared again (though i have another 30 pounds to lose).
I’m getting a multivitaminic, and about satietty, well nothing a big glass of cold water and a little salad can’t fix.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
I believe relying on shakes heavily is a bad idea because of the extremely low intake of fiber and micronutrients and low satiety.
Even if I chose to do the V-Diet, I wouldn’t rely on shakes. Chris Shugart is down on doing his diet with food, but his reasons have only to do with behavioral issues, NOT that the diet can’t be just as effective with whole food if adhered to with his nutrient and caloric recommendations. [/quote]
Well i’ll be eating many veggies, spinach and brocolli, also i’m going with shakes because it is a lot more easy to follow your meal plan.
Haha, now that sounds truly horrible. How many calories are you going to consume each day? I am going to try the diet with about 1000 calories a day. But I am going with chicken breast, egg whites, and a piece of salmon, lots of broccoli and fish oil.
Just consuming whey would to me be terrible. But I guess you won’t find out unless you try.
So… Good luck![/quote]
My calorie tracker says that i’ll be consuming around 1100 cals (from sardines and shakes) i won’t count veggies calories (only green veggies). Yeah it’s kinda horrible 'cause you crave simple things like chicken or eggs or any solid food you see.
My motto will be "The hunger is just the fat leaving the body).
Since you’re eating little to no fat (aside of the fish oils). Doesn’t that prime your body to go on a protein metabolic state?
If so, shouldn’t be a better option to go for the same amount of calories that you have to eat, but instead of just protein go with some fat?
Example:
180lb guy, 10%BF
That means category 1 (15%bf or lower).
Also this guy trains with weights 6xweek and does some very light fasted cardio on the morning.
The recomended amount of protein for a sub15%bf individual who do weightlifting and cardio is 1.5-2g/LBM in lbs.
this means for our guy: 180*0.9=162 (10%bf - total weight = total weight * o.9 )
162*2=324 (LBM in lbs times 2)
324*4=1226kcal (326g of protein, thus multiplied for 4 in order to get the cals)
1226+100=1336 (10g of fish oil a day)
1336+200=1536 (added 50g of dextrose to maintain intensity and avoid catabolism in workouts)
In this scenario the guy has 1536kcals coming mostly from protein (1226), so wouldn’t be a better option for the muscle saving sake, to adjust that amount of calories (1226) so more fat is allowed? ( having at least 1g/lb of protein)
In that case 720 cals should come from protein, and the rest (506) should come from fat, that is ~50g a day without the fish oil.
[quote]BAdWolf wrote:
hmm i meant that your body’ll be primed to use protein as fuel instead of fat.[/quote]
The aim of this diet is to have the body use BODYFAT as fuel. That’s done by having the least amount of calories possible while still being able to maintain a decent nutrition and health status and to perform at least at a maintenance level of performance in the gym.
The lower you go on calories, the higher the percentage of the diet should come from protein. It also depends on how lean and active one is too. That’s why Category 1 dieters get more protein (and obviously more calories from this protein).
Health professionals in the past tried the approach you explained–less protein, more carbs and fat–for PSMFs and failed.
Also–and I’m NOT being a dick here–I don’t know you’d question or tamper with an approach that WORKS for many people over and over again. Why question or tamper with something that works?
PSMFs were used by bodybuilders in the past; they called it a “fish and water” diet. Roger Estep used a similar approach when dieting for a powerlifting show.
I’m just saying that with that amount of calories (~1500, for a 180 lean male, who does regular exercise) it’s pretty much the BWx8 in the get shredded diet of John Berardi. The extra carbs (50g) are allowed in the book to maintain intensity in the weight training.
So i think there are 2 options:
1: go with a lower calorie intake.
2: transfer some of the kcals to fat so your body don’t get primed to burn protein as energy.
Obviusly, your body is always burning a mix of the 3 macronutrients, but the body will adapt to burn protein as his “main” energy source if you give him just protein. Thus it will be easier for your body turn skeletal muscle (protein) for energy when needed, since it is adapted to use protein as his main energy source.
And i’m not trying to make this kind of diet less credible, i think it should work well on a real protein sparring fasting, but in the example i mentioned, it makes much more sense to approach that i gave. Which is bassicly a get shredded diet with your BWx8 or so.
Hmm didn’t Mighty Stu did something like that before his show?
Update - I have gone from about 214(highest weight) to 206 and my belly is at 38.5inches down from 40 however i think most of it was all water weight i have hardly notice difference in my physique. And even more recently my weight has stagnated so im thinking about just working out like I would on a bulk 2x a day 4-5 times a day since i cant see myself lowering my calores any more. In terms of energy not really bad i feel more so in a fog then i usually am :P.
Any Ideas on what to do? I was thinking about replacing 2 of the real food meals with protein shakes.
[quote]optheta wrote:
Update - I have gone from about 214(highest weight) to 206 and my belly is at 38.5inches down from 40 however i think most of it was all water weight i have hardly notice difference in my physique.
And even more recently my weight has stagnated so im thinking about just working out like I would on a bulk 2x a day 4-5 times a day since i cant see myself lowering my calores any more. In terms of energy not really bad i feel more so in a fog then i usually am :P.
Any Ideas on what to do? I was thinking about replacing 2 of the real food meals with protein shakes.[/quote]
How many calories are you eating on the RFL diet and how long are you on it?
And when I eat light, I just FEEL light, ya know?