Rapid Fat Loss vs. V-Diet

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[quote]optheta wrote:
Alright I get it I was half assing the diet, to be fair i skimm read it lol i wanted to get started on it ASAP. I guess I will be more careful this time around.

@ Bricknyce- Yeah i know 15-1800 is low calories and i should at least be losing some fat but i have a really shitty metabolism I mean I Gain weight on my maintenance calorie level of 3k. I guess I will just have to next tiem i go to costco buy just a Shit load of lean meat.

Can I get some of your guys ideas on what to get - Tuna, Eggs, Sliced Turkey, ?!?! [/quote]

If you gain weight with 3,000 calories, than 3,000 calories is NOT your maintenance amount of calories! And if it as your maintenance amount, then you have a metabolic/hormonal disorder that won’t allow you to lose weight despite subtracting 1,200 to 1,500 calories from your diet! With that caloric deficit, you can lose weight in DAYS!

This is the problem with information products (eg, e-books, books, videos, etc) that call for the person to read (IN FULL) AND figure out things and THINK.

The book probably not above a 12th grade reading level, so I don’t think most on this board will have a problem with reading it in ONE day! That book can be read in less than a day–at least the parts that are necessary for setting up the diet.

I go to the grocery and Costco and stock up on a shitload of the following:

Canned chicken
Canned tuna
Canned salmon
Pre-packaged salmon fillets
Eggs (only whites used on this diet, obviously)
Flaxseed oil
Lettuce, onions, tomatoes, cucumbers for salads.
Frozen broccoli, okra, and green beans.

That’s it! I don’t buy fish oil because I have a serving of salmon a few times per week and use flaxseed oil on the days I don’t. SOMETIMES I’ll have sardines packed in water (another oily fish).

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
optheta wrote:
Alright I get it I was half assing the diet, to be fair i skimm read it lol i wanted to get started on it ASAP. I guess I will be more careful this time around.

@ Bricknyce- Yeah i know 15-1800 is low calories and i should at least be losing some fat but i have a really shitty metabolism I mean I Gain weight on my maintenance calorie level of 3k. I guess I will just have to next tiem i go to costco buy just a Shit load of lean meat.

Can I get some of your guys ideas on what to get - Tuna, Eggs, Sliced Turkey, ?!?!

If you gain weight with 3,000 calories, than 3,000 calories is NOT your maintenance amount of calories! And if it as your maintenance amount, then you have a metabolic/hormonal disorder that won’t allow you to lose weight despite subtracting 1,200 to 1,500 calories from your diet! With that caloric deficit, you can lose weight in DAYS!

This is the problem with information products (eg, e-books, books, videos, etc) that call for the person to read (IN FULL) AND figure out things and THINK.

The book probably not above a 12th grade reading level, so I don’t think most on this board will have a problem with reading it in ONE day! That book can be read in less than a day–at least the parts that are necessary for setting up the diet.

I go to the grocery and Costco and stock up on a shitload of the following:

Canned chicken
Canned tuna
Canned salmon
Pre-packaged salmon fillets
Eggs (only whites used on this diet, obviously)
Flaxseed oil
Lettuce, onions, tomatoes, cucumbers for salads.
Frozen broccoli, okra, and green beans.

That’s it! I don’t buy fish oil because I have a serving of salmon a few times per week and use flaxseed oil on the days I don’t. SOMETIMES I’ll have sardines packed in water (another oily fish).

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Lol alright ill read the whole book I was just being lazy. I guess i don’t know what my Maintenance is hrmm is there a good calculator i can use?

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For most people, maintenance amount is bodyweight multiplied by 15. But that’s not set in stone. Keep a food journal for 5 to 7 days. Add up all the calories of all the days and then divide that number by the number of days. If you didn’t gain weight during that time, that’s your maintenance amount of calories.

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could be if you were gaining on 3,000 calories, you might have to do some extra cardio? I know Berardi talks about g-flux and all that…add more exercise per week, lower calories by 200 or so…then if you still aren’t seeing results, add in MORE exercise, and so on…

Good luck with the diet though!

I myself pretty much stick to chicken, eggwhites, white fish and ground turkey(the 99% fat free kind) lo fat cottage cheese is good, and I found this greek yogurt that only has 5c per little cup.

Per the diet you are only supposed to get 3-5g of fat and carb per meal…so >20 a day!

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I am about to start this diet as a category 1 but, first must go shopping for my food. I was wondering if there are any veggies you all stay away from, for instance those low in fiber and higher in sugars like green beans, tomatoes, onions and bell peppers.

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None of those you listed are to be avoided.

Only corn, beets, peas, beans, and carrots are to be avoided or taken in very small amounts.

You’d have to eat a truckload of the veggies you listed to get any significant effect on blod sugar. Those veggies are high in fiber.

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Day four. Category one. ~270g

I’ve been tired and lethargic as all fuck since I started.

I’ve been alternating turkey and chicken breast every other day, along with broccoli and fat free cheese on the turkey days. If anyone knows how to prepare ground turkey in such a way that it isn’t tasteless and dry enough to choke on, please let me know.

I figure I’ll run the recommended 12 days and then reevaluate.

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so, any updates? What kind of weight loss have you all had through out the diet? I am on my 3rd day and have lost 2 pounds it has not been hard at all and a part of me thinks that maybe I am eating to many veggies.

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I’m down 15 pounds in 3 weeks.

How can someone eat too many vegetables? And why would you think this?

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:
Day four. Category one. ~270g

I’ve been tired and lethargic as all fuck since I started.

I’ve been alternating turkey and chicken breast every other day, along with broccoli and fat free cheese on the turkey days. If anyone knows how to prepare ground turkey in such a way that it isn’t tasteless and dry enough to choke on, please let me know.

I figure I’ll run the recommended 12 days and then reevaluate.[/quote]

You can throw in some chopped onions and sautee it with the ground turkey. The onion will release water and sauteed onion tastes a bit sweet. Throw in some bell peppers for the same effect.

Brick,

Why is it that the body does NOT go into starvation mode on a diet like this that is so low in calories? Is it because of the high activity that accompanies the diet - i.e. the prescribed workouts - or because the diet is generally not long enough to kick the body into starvation mode?

I know my metabolism is shot to hell right now and I think I’m gaining fat on 1 meal a day.

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
I’m down 15 pounds in 3 weeks.

How can someone eat too many vegetables? And why would you think this? [/quote]

I just feel like I should be hungrier. Most people on here go on about how tough it is and how they feel hungry all the time but, I feel good. So I though that perhaps I was eating to many veggies. That is why I asked what kind of fat was being lost throughout the diet to evaluate whether I was on track or not.

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What do you mean by starvation mode?

I don’t want to sound silly. However, the diet doesn’t cause symptoms of starvation if you follow the guidelines because these guidelines don’t entail starving oneself! There’s a high protein and vegetable intake, allowing for us to get enough nutrients (vitamins, antioxidants, minerals, protein, some carbohydrate, calories) for everyday functioning AS WELL AS functioning in the gym, albeit to a lesser degree then when we’re on a lifestyle diet. We’re not dehydrated either. The training volume is scaled way back to two weight training sessions and 3 to 4 low-intensity cardio sessions per week.

It isn’t because of the activity involved. This diet can be done with no activity but with a lower protein intake. Read the book for details. But activity does make a difference in what kind of weight is lost on any diet. Sedentary people lose more muscle than those who are active when on restrictive diets.

And, as we discussed above several times, the leaner and more active one is, the less time is spent on this diet. Fatter people can stay on the diet longer.

Cheat meals and refeeds allow for continued weight loss.

You might be gaining fat. What are you eating in this one meal?

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I think some people in here 1) haven’t read the book because they didn’t buy it or 2) bought the book but refuse to read it carefully and then come to others to calculate shit or ask questions that are answered in the book!

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I’m NOT saying the following to be a dick, but some inquiries on nutriton and exercise REALLY make me puzzled when information is right in front of people’s faces!

Question: The book says I can have fibrous vegetables at will. I eat a lot of fibrous vegetables; I mean a lot! Is this OK?
Answer: The book says you can have fibrous vegetables at will

Question: How do you help the metabolism not slowing down.
Answer: We’ve already stated in this thread that refeeds and cheat meals are used.

Statement: I think I’m eating too much vegetables.
Statement: The book says you can have fibrous vegetables at will.

Question: The book says to consume very lean meat and other fat-free or low-fat protein foods. I’m eating high-fat and medium-fat meats. Is this OK?
Answer: The book says to consume very lean meat and other fat-free or low-fat protein foods.

Question: The book says you should scale weight training back to twice per week. I’m training more. Is this OK?
Answer: The book says you should scale weight training back to twice per week.

I’m a dietitian and am actually going to start training people. Lyle has loads and loads of experience as well as all the other EXPERTS and PROFESSIONALS on this site. I’m still completely PUZZLED as to why people take advice and information offered by these experts and professionals and refuse to follow it AS GIVEN and then wonder why they don’t get results they desire.

If you’re experienced in nutrition and exercise, I don’t think you should blindly follow a routine. When I see a routine written on here, I might use the METHOD being used, but it doesn’t mean that I won’t alter it to suit MY NEEDS! What this means is that I use the method AS GIVEN. I don’t alter the actual method and then ask if it’s OK. If you change something, it’s… CHANGED! Not the same anymore! Different!

So if one eats high-fat meat, they’re not adhering to the RFL Diet. If you train more than 2 to 3 times per week on a very-low-calorie diet, good luck to you. These things are NOT “OK”.

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[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
Bricknyce wrote:
I’m down 15 pounds in 3 weeks.

How can someone eat too many vegetables? And why would you think this?

I just feel like I should be hungrier. Most people on here go on about how tough it is and how they feel hungry all the time but, I feel good. So I though that perhaps I was eating to many veggies. That is why I asked what kind of fat was being lost throughout the diet to evaluate whether I was on track or not. [/quote]

The effectiveness of a diet is not measured by how miserable you feel. If you see results and don’t feel miserable, then good! If you feel miserable and it’s working, tough shit!

The same goes for workouts. You can make progress with soreness and you can make progress with little soreness. However, soreness IS NOT the measuring stick of progress. Neither is misery!

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To be fair, Lyle does state that you can eat too many vegetables on this diet. I believe he uses broccoli as an example.

In other news, I totally fell off the wagon and just had one hell of a cheat meal. I’ve been having insane cravings for the past few days, and they had to die.

I think I might continue as a Category 2 dieter, as I was just on the border and decided to go down a level. Methinks I might be better off higher up.

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Turkey with peanuts is pretty damn tasty. Add in some curry and red pepper flakes and dump it on some shredded zucchini

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Turkey with peanuts is pretty damn tasty. Add in some curry and red pepper flakes and dump it on some shredded zucchini

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I happen to be allergic to both peanuts and zucchini.

It’s not the taste that bothers me so much as that, when eating it half a pound at a time, there comes a point where my body simply refuses to swallow it without a fight.

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:
To be fair, Lyle does state that you can eat too many vegetables on this diet. I believe he uses broccoli as an example.

In other news, I totally fell off the wagon and just had one hell of a cheat meal. I’ve been having insane cravings for the past few days, and they had to die.

I think I might continue as a Category 2 dieter, as I was just on the border and decided to go down a level. Methinks I might be better off higher up.[/quote]

True, I had to go back to find it:

In the first edition of this book, I said that rapid fat loss dieters could eat essentially
unlimited amounts of fibrous vegetables and I want to amend that slightly here by giving
readers a quick reality check. On the one hand, itâ??s unlikely that most are going to
consume such a massive amount of fibrous vegetables that they will contribute a huge
number of calories. But it can certainly happen. At the same time, I donâ??t want to put
some sort of arbitrary intake value or number since this only adds an unneeded level of
complexity to what should otherwise be a fairly simple diet. A couple of examples should
help to make my point.

Consider a light female who only be consuming 400-500 calories per day on the rapid fat
loss plan. If she went nuts with fibrous vegetables, eating several cups of the above at each
of her four meals, she might easily add over 200 calories to her diet; that would represent
nearly 50% of her daily intake, cutting her daily deficit (and fat loss) considerably.
Contrast this to a large male who might be consuming 800-1000 calories (or more), that
same vegetable intake might be absolutely fine.

My point is not that you should automatically limit your vegetable intake; I strongly
suggest you consume some at each meal to keep you full, etc. At the same time, donâ??t
abuse vegetables to the point that you derail the diet and reduce (or eliminate your
supposed deficit).

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:

Turkey with peanuts is pretty damn tasty. Add in some curry and red pepper flakes and dump it on some shredded zucchini

I happen to be allergic to both peanuts and zucchini.

It’s not the taste that bothers me so much as that, when eating it half a pound at a time, there comes a point where my body simply refuses to swallow it without a fight.[/quote]

well that does suck. I would hate to be allergic to peanuts. Those things are everywhere.