[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
we’re not talking about a meet though, we’re talking about plain logic. [/quote]
Meets aren’t logical? LOL
[quote]jonatan-shg wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
why do PLers talk shit about using straps when they use suits? i guess the straps lift all the weight. see what i did there?
Because the suit is allowed at meets, the straps aren’t, so according to the rules of the game, a lift with straps is not valid and therefore useless.
we’re not talking about a meet though, we’re talking about plain logic. and to me they arent all that different except one costs between 4 and $600 dollars less than the other.
and one doesnt take 25 minutes to put on either
Where do you buy a +600dollar suit? Well, logic is, that one of them is allowed at the place where you make the record, the other one isn’t, end of story.
And btw, the suit, that I use in training take me like 1-2min to put on.
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right but this is the internet not a competition. theyre both tools that let you lift more which is why i dont understand why PLing guys tend to bash straps because theyre lifting tools just like gear, regardless of whether or not theyre allowed or not.
alls im sayin is, dont bash a guy who uses straps if you use gear.
[quote]Synthetickiller wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
we’re not talking about a meet though, we’re talking about plain logic.
Meets aren’t logical? LOL
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Straps are used primarily for doing longer sets. If you’re interested in body composition only, then you really have no reason to find a true 1rm.
If you’re looking for a true 1rm then using straps kind of defeats the purpose, because a HUGE part of deadlifting and the ultimate barrier is grip strength.
Personally, I’m using straps at the moment for anything 3 reps and up. Normally, I would reserve them to 5 reps or more but my grip in my left arm has gone to shit since I injured my shoulder.
I’ll not be testing a true max anytime soon for this reason also. Right now a 3rm is more important to me, since my goals are more BB oriented now.
Also, I’ve found I can push myself much further with a 1rm with straps but my form breaks down badly once I’ve gone past what I can hold onto with a mixed grip.
lim@infinity
[quote]jonatan-shg wrote:
Are the state records really that low?
Anyhow, I don’t see what you’re saying about hiring the hips too late, that’s no problem, it’s firing them too early, that many people suffer from.[/quote]
The NASA texas state records for the 20-24 year old 220lbs division are 567 deadlift, 507 squat, and 364 bench (not positive on the bench)
you have to remember this is a lifetime steroid free, TESTED division. the only help we get is suits wraps and belts, we cant inject stuff to lift the weight for us. yes i think the squat record is very low but when i get 600 at the meet, ill change that.
and to the hips statement, i was pulling with the bar away from my body enough that i couldnt get my hips under the bar, i was able to lift 460 that way with sheer strength and lack of form but when it came time for 520 i was going to have to have good form to finish the pull
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
why do PLers talk shit about using straps when they use suits? i guess the straps lift all the weight. see what i did there?
Because the suit is allowed at meets, the straps aren’t, so according to the rules of the game, a lift with straps is not valid and therefore useless.
we’re not talking about a meet though, we’re talking about plain logic. and to me they arent all that different except one costs between 4 and $600 dollars less than the other.
and one doesnt take 25 minutes to put on either
Where do you buy a +600dollar suit? Well, logic is, that one of them is allowed at the place where you make the record, the other one isn’t, end of story.
And btw, the suit, that I use in training take me like 1-2min to put on.
right but this is the internet not a competition. theyre both tools that let you lift more which is why i dont understand why PLing guys tend to bash straps because theyre lifting tools just like gear, regardless of whether or not theyre allowed or not.
alls im sayin is, dont bash a guy who uses straps if you use gear. [/quote]
But I don’t train on the internet, I train to go to meets and set new records, where gear is a tool, straps are banned.
[quote]ajcicconi15 wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
Are the state records really that low?
Anyhow, I don’t see what you’re saying about hiring the hips too late, that’s no problem, it’s firing them too early, that many people suffer from.
The NASA texas state records for the 20-24 year old 220lbs division are 567 deadlift, 507 squat, and 364 bench (not positive on the bench)
you have to remember this is a lifetime steroid free, TESTED division. the only help we get is suits wraps and belts, we cant inject stuff to lift the weight for us. yes i think the squat record is very low but when i get 600 at the meet, ill change that.
and to the hips statement, i was pulling with the bar away from my body enough that i couldnt get my hips under the bar, i was able to lift 460 that way with sheer strength and lack of form but when it came time for 520 i was going to have to have good form to finish the pull
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Lorrrrrrrrl, I’m 16, of course drugfree, and I can do like 520-530 even without belt, and sub 200lb BW. My best raw squat is 407lb, which is alright I think, 2xbw+ after all. I’m from Europe, I always thought you americans had very high standards, but all the strong guys overthere do drugs?
[quote]jonatan-shg wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
why do PLers talk shit about using straps when they use suits? i guess the straps lift all the weight. see what i did there?
Because the suit is allowed at meets, the straps aren’t, so according to the rules of the game, a lift with straps is not valid and therefore useless.
we’re not talking about a meet though, we’re talking about plain logic. and to me they arent all that different except one costs between 4 and $600 dollars less than the other.
and one doesnt take 25 minutes to put on either
Where do you buy a +600dollar suit? Well, logic is, that one of them is allowed at the place where you make the record, the other one isn’t, end of story.
And btw, the suit, that I use in training take me like 1-2min to put on.
right but this is the internet not a competition. theyre both tools that let you lift more which is why i dont understand why PLing guys tend to bash straps because theyre lifting tools just like gear, regardless of whether or not theyre allowed or not.
alls im sayin is, dont bash a guy who uses straps if you use gear.
But I don’t train on the internet, I train to go to meets and set new records, where gear is a tool, straps are banned.
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gear and straps are related in terms of functionality. youre saying they arent in terms in permissibility but that doesnt really change anything about their functionality.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
why do PLers talk shit about using straps when they use suits? i guess the straps lift all the weight. see what i did there?
Because the suit is allowed at meets, the straps aren’t, so according to the rules of the game, a lift with straps is not valid and therefore useless.
we’re not talking about a meet though, we’re talking about plain logic. and to me they arent all that different except one costs between 4 and $600 dollars less than the other.
and one doesnt take 25 minutes to put on either
Where do you buy a +600dollar suit? Well, logic is, that one of them is allowed at the place where you make the record, the other one isn’t, end of story.
And btw, the suit, that I use in training take me like 1-2min to put on.
right but this is the internet not a competition. theyre both tools that let you lift more which is why i dont understand why PLing guys tend to bash straps because theyre lifting tools just like gear, regardless of whether or not theyre allowed or not.
alls im sayin is, dont bash a guy who uses straps if you use gear.
But I don’t train on the internet, I train to go to meets and set new records, where gear is a tool, straps are banned.
gear and straps are related in terms of functionality. youre saying they arent in terms in permissibility but that doesnt really change anything about their functionality.
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No, but so what? Straps aren’t allowed and therefore I don’t like them. Do you not understand, what I am saying?
[quote]jonatan-shg wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
why do PLers talk shit about using straps when they use suits? i guess the straps lift all the weight. see what i did there?
Because the suit is allowed at meets, the straps aren’t, so according to the rules of the game, a lift with straps is not valid and therefore useless.
we’re not talking about a meet though, we’re talking about plain logic. and to me they arent all that different except one costs between 4 and $600 dollars less than the other.
and one doesnt take 25 minutes to put on either
Where do you buy a +600dollar suit? Well, logic is, that one of them is allowed at the place where you make the record, the other one isn’t, end of story.
And btw, the suit, that I use in training take me like 1-2min to put on.
right but this is the internet not a competition. theyre both tools that let you lift more which is why i dont understand why PLing guys tend to bash straps because theyre lifting tools just like gear, regardless of whether or not theyre allowed or not.
alls im sayin is, dont bash a guy who uses straps if you use gear.
But I don’t train on the internet, I train to go to meets and set new records, where gear is a tool, straps are banned.
gear and straps are related in terms of functionality. youre saying they arent in terms in permissibility but that doesnt really change anything about their functionality.
No, but so what? Straps aren’t allowed and therefore I don’t like them. Do you not understand, what I am saying?
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no i really dont. not because its permissible or not but because theyre both things you wouldnt be able to lift same amount of weight without.
Might aswell join in.
Age 17
bodyweight 180lbs
Best deadlift atm 420 lbs with a hook grip.
I am an olympic lifter though and I don’t do alot of deadlifts so might take some time before I can get 500.
grip is not an issue since I have pulled 705lbs mixed grip in rack pulls (however it was only from mid tigh)
good luck with the deadlifts, I will just hope that my clean pulls, cleans and front squats do the job for me
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
why do PLers talk shit about using straps when they use suits? i guess the straps lift all the weight. see what i did there?
Because the suit is allowed at meets, the straps aren’t, so according to the rules of the game, a lift with straps is not valid and therefore useless.
we’re not talking about a meet though, we’re talking about plain logic. and to me they arent all that different except one costs between 4 and $600 dollars less than the other.
and one doesnt take 25 minutes to put on either
Where do you buy a +600dollar suit? Well, logic is, that one of them is allowed at the place where you make the record, the other one isn’t, end of story.
And btw, the suit, that I use in training take me like 1-2min to put on.
right but this is the internet not a competition. theyre both tools that let you lift more which is why i dont understand why PLing guys tend to bash straps because theyre lifting tools just like gear, regardless of whether or not theyre allowed or not.
alls im sayin is, dont bash a guy who uses straps if you use gear.
But I don’t train on the internet, I train to go to meets and set new records, where gear is a tool, straps are banned.
gear and straps are related in terms of functionality. youre saying they arent in terms in permissibility but that doesnt really change anything about their functionality.
No, but so what? Straps aren’t allowed and therefore I don’t like them. Do you not understand, what I am saying?
no i really dont. not because its permissible or not but because theyre both things you wouldnt be able to lift same amount of weight without.
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I must say, that you are just plain stupid, and probably know nothing about powerlifting. I will waste no longer time on you.
Okay? Okay.
[quote]jonatan-shg wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
why do PLers talk shit about using straps when they use suits? i guess the straps lift all the weight. see what i did there?
Because the suit is allowed at meets, the straps aren’t, so according to the rules of the game, a lift with straps is not valid and therefore useless.
we’re not talking about a meet though, we’re talking about plain logic. and to me they arent all that different except one costs between 4 and $600 dollars less than the other.
and one doesnt take 25 minutes to put on either
Where do you buy a +600dollar suit? Well, logic is, that one of them is allowed at the place where you make the record, the other one isn’t, end of story.
And btw, the suit, that I use in training take me like 1-2min to put on.
right but this is the internet not a competition. theyre both tools that let you lift more which is why i dont understand why PLing guys tend to bash straps because theyre lifting tools just like gear, regardless of whether or not theyre allowed or not.
alls im sayin is, dont bash a guy who uses straps if you use gear.
But I don’t train on the internet, I train to go to meets and set new records, where gear is a tool, straps are banned.
gear and straps are related in terms of functionality. youre saying they arent in terms in permissibility but that doesnt really change anything about their functionality.
No, but so what? Straps aren’t allowed and therefore I don’t like them. Do you not understand, what I am saying?
no i really dont. not because its permissible or not but because theyre both things you wouldnt be able to lift same amount of weight without.
I must say, that you are just plain stupid, and probably know nothing about powerlifting. I will waste no longer time on you.
Okay? Okay.[/quote]
SM allows straps. Chill the fuck out son, I’m the OP and I said straps are ok.
Deadlift:
top set
405x3 straps+belt
[quote]
I must say, that you are just plain stupid, and probably know nothing about powerlifting. I will waste no longer time on you.
Okay? Okay.[/quote]
great, you know nothing about logic nor comparing.
pce out 5000
Live, why are you spamming this thread?
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
why do PLers talk shit about using straps when they use suits? i guess the straps lift all the weight. see what i did there?
Because the suit is allowed at meets, the straps aren’t, so according to the rules of the game, a lift with straps is not valid and therefore useless.
we’re not talking about a meet though, we’re talking about plain logic. and to me they arent all that different except one costs between 4 and $600 dollars less than the other.
and one doesnt take 25 minutes to put on either
Where do you buy a +600dollar suit? Well, logic is, that one of them is allowed at the place where you make the record, the other one isn’t, end of story.
And btw, the suit, that I use in training take me like 1-2min to put on.
right but this is the internet not a competition. theyre both tools that let you lift more which is why i dont understand why PLing guys tend to bash straps because theyre lifting tools just like gear, regardless of whether or not theyre allowed or not.
alls im sayin is, dont bash a guy who uses straps if you use gear.
But I don’t train on the internet, I train to go to meets and set new records, where gear is a tool, straps are banned.
gear and straps are related in terms of functionality. youre saying they arent in terms in permissibility but that doesnt really change anything about their functionality.
No, but so what? Straps aren’t allowed and therefore I don’t like them. Do you not understand, what I am saying?
no i really dont. not because its permissible or not but because theyre both things you wouldnt be able to lift same amount of weight without.
I must say, that you are just plain stupid, and probably know nothing about powerlifting. I will waste no longer time on you.
Okay? Okay.
SM allows straps. Chill the fuck out son, I’m the OP and I said straps are ok.
Deadlift:
top set
405x3 straps+belt[/quote]
So because you say straps are okay I should waste my time on some guy, who does not understand, that by far the most feds does NOT allow straps?
It’s the very reason PL’ers don’t use straps, because you need to be able to hold on to the damn bar yourself, and therfore train holding it yourself. Is that point too hard to understand?
[quote]jonatan-shg wrote:
So because you say straps are okay I should waste my time on some guy, who does not understand, that by far the most feds does NOT allow straps?
It’s the very reason PL’ers don’t use straps, because you need to be able to hold on to the damn bar yourself, and therfore train holding it yourself. Is that point too hard to understand?
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Shut the fuck up and stop wrecking this thread. We get it, you’re a good deadlifter and you don’t need straps.
This thread was started for people working towards a 5 plate dead with or without straps, so to be quite honest, your input RE: straps is completely irrelevant at this stage.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
So because you say straps are okay I should waste my time on some guy, who does not understand, that by far the most feds does NOT allow straps?
It’s the very reason PL’ers don’t use straps, because you need to be able to hold on to the damn bar yourself, and therfore train holding it yourself. Is that point too hard to understand?
Shut the fuck up and stop wrecking this thread. We get it, you’re a good deadlifter and you don’t need straps.
This thread was started for people working towards a 5 plate dead with or without straps, so to be quite honest, your input RE: straps is completely irrelevant at this stage.[/quote]
Why should I shut up?
I am making a relevant point. I am not that good a deadlifte myself, but I think it’s stupid to use a tool, that is not alowed in competition, if one’s grip sucks, then work that problem - the grip. IMO straps are like using an overly tight belt to compansate on a weak core - kgs to start out with, but not smart in the long run.
Nobody needs straps. At my PL club we have guys with very small hands, they just work their grip, and the problem is solved = more kgs in competion = win.
You always focus at your weak point, whether it’s grip, glutes or whatever.
[quote]Synthetickiller wrote:
Live, why are you spamming this thread? [/quote]
im done.
havent read past the first page but il toss my hat into the ring and go for it