[quote]TNUT wrote:
Due to the fact that i can’t stand running on a treadmill staring at a blank wall my cardio workouts usually take 15-20min and consist of approx 100 pullups 200 pushups and 300 bodyweight squats, if anyone can make it through this in 15min and say short workouts are a waste of time they should be shot![/quote]
Do you worry that doing that often would hurt recovery? I would personally prefer that type of work over boring cardio but 200 push ups and 100 pull ups (especially these) isn’t exactly easy on your muscles
[quote]elnyka wrote:
ryanw2007 wrote:
im glad that is what you think guys lol… 15 min work out no matter who u are sounds like a waste of time to me… go beat your meat or something u will prob have a better work out
Really, so what the do you think about anaerobic conditioning routines that are, say, 10 to 15 minutes? Waste of time? Think you can do one?
And for Christ’s sake, write like an adult, not like a teenager texting on AIM. You might compete in a silly fucking bikini and think you are the shit when it comes to training, but you seriously need to stop with the ‘u r like l33t’ writing style. It is cute in giggling little texting girls, pretty dumb in an adult man.
Even if you might had something valid to say, you end up looking pretty fucking retarded.[/quote]
well considering i do a 30 - 45 min when cutting for anaerobic conditioning i think more then 15 mins is going to put you in better condition. but like you said its not all about my work outs and how i do thinks so taking this in to mind i considered researching it a bit. i found a good web site for leg anaerobic conditioning here is the program:
Example session:stair climbing for anaerobic conditioning of legs.
Warm-up: Walk up 20 flights at slow pace, duration approx. 4 to 5 minutes, walk back down
Run up 10 flights (every other step and go half speed), duration approx. 1 minute, Rest 2 minutes
Run up 10 flights (full speed and every other step), duration approx. 30 to 45 seconds, Rest 2 to 3 minutes
Run up 10 flights (full speed and every other step), duration approx. 30 to 45 seconds, Rest 2 to 3 minutes
Run up 10 flights (full speed and every other step), duration approx. 30 to 45 seconds, Rest 2 to 3 minutes
min.15mins max.20 mins so i do understand u can get an anaerobic conditioning done in 15 mins.
yo dawg ryan you know low volume can build great size. just check out doggcrapp training. to be honest here, i do think that intensity is more relevant than volume. you just gotta learn to push yourself really really hard, know what im saying?
also man… i think you should lay off the preaching bullshit a little aight?. some people like to train different ways… not saying how you train ain’t productive but… it ain’t nice to call someone else a fool cause they don’t train like you do…
[quote]Taufiq wrote:
AccipiterQ wrote:
I did 4 sets of weighted pullups, 3 sets of BB rows, 2 sets of heavy rack pulls, and 1 set of db curls. All told it took me 15 minutes from first rep to last rep. I never really do anything like this, so it was fun to try. I usually rest anywhere from 2-3 minutes between sets, so I was ready to curl up and die afterward.
Damn, that’s pretty much the same as my normal back routine, except that I do DB rows instead of BB rows, but it takes me about 40-45 minutes to finish. Am I resting for too long?[/quote]
That’s not a bad workout. Most people would rest a little longer than the OP so you are probably doing fine.
However for people(or person) who are saying it’s stupid, too short,does nothing,etc. remember that doing the same amount of work in a shorter period of time is one way to progresively overload your muscles.
[quote]Vegg wrote:
Nope, actually I went from 14 to 16.75. I’m hoping to get to 18+ after I’m done dieting.
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Wow how did you get from 14 to 17 in 5 months?! Care to share some gun-training secrets?
Ok but back to the topic of this thread. I personally only use 15min training sessions when I’m really short of time, eg unforeseen circumstances eating up my gym time. Inspired by the GVT article here, I recently tried 10*10 pullups with 90 sec rest. Took me about 20 minutes. Judging by the aches the following day, I think my back must have grown an inch. Ok just kidding, but it sure FELT effective. Not sure about how useful these short sessions are though. Would you go heavy (intensity) or light (volume) if you only had 15-20min to train?
[quote]Vanre wrote:
Vegg wrote:
Nope, actually I went from 14 to 16.75. I’m hoping to get to 18+ after I’m done dieting.
Wow how did you get from 14 to 17 in 5 months?! Care to share some gun-training secrets?
Ok but back to the topic of this thread. I personally only use 15min training sessions when I’m really short of time, eg unforeseen circumstances eating up my gym time. Inspired by the GVT article here, I recently tried 10*10 pullups with 90 sec rest. Took me about 20 minutes. Judging by the aches the following day, I think my back must have grown an inch. Ok just kidding, but it sure FELT effective. Not sure about how useful these short sessions are though. Would you go heavy (intensity) or light (volume) if you only had 15-20min to train?[/quote]
Exaaactly. Sometimes (or a lot of times) things just don’t work as one expects and you end up with less than ideal time to work out. A hard and short workout is great for these situations (with the understanding that it is less than ideal.)
** At this point I can imagine an idiot or two thinking “uh, duh, people need to make time, they are lazy”. Uhm, yeah. **
Anyways, I wouldn’t go super heavy in a short workout. Not enough time to properly warm up. By super heavy, I mean near-maximum or maximum effort. I would think one could enough warm up to work out at a 5-to-8 rep per set range.
Lately I’ve been throwing a 10-minute workout here and there. For warm up: several 1-minute rounds of heavy swings (with a DIY t-handle using Ross Enamait’s instructions) followed by 1 or two sets of pull ups, OR, several 5-rep sets of hang snatches. Then 2-3 sets of rack pulls or jeffreson squats (from a racked position.) That or several sets of front squats, 10-12 reps each.
Ideal? Nope. But does it make my day? Hell yeah.
Actually, I’ll take that back. It might not be ideal, but it certainly sufficient for keeping a modicum of GPP.
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
To the OP how long were you resting between sets?
I was originally thinking it must have been really low but I guess if each set was about 30 seconds that’s 1min. rest per set which isn’t bad at all depending on what your trying to do[/quote]
Rest between pullups was about 15 seconds. In between exercises it was about a minute. (to load a bar on a rack for the rows for instance). Craziest parts of my back are still sore today. I won’t be doing it every workout, but for a change of pace it worked out pretty good.
Also, to the guy with the bikini picture avatar saying anything less than X number of minutes is a waste, wasn’t there a famous guy who believed in only doing 1 set at max effort per exercise or body part…what was his name again?
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
must have been a short workout, I think you said only 2 or so top sets per exercise right?
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Actually my arms days are generally around 45 mins long. (Although I’ve recently split my arms up so I have tris on chest day and bis on shoulder day)
Something like:
-Main Bicep Exercise
-Forearm Curl Variant (reverse grip or hammer curls)
-Tricep Press of Some sort
-Extension Variant
-Possibly some pressdowns to finish
All ramped up to one top set or possibly one heavy top set with one medium rep one after it. (Gotta thank CC for teaching me this stuff… He’s the one to ask if you want more info.)
Something like 45lbs, but too much of it was fat. That’s why I’m dieting at the moment though. I’m definitely going to take it slower when I’m back to gaining.
Also, I have to mention that my arms are closer to 16.5" now that I’m slightly leaner. Small… But at least they’re moving in the right direction.
-Main Bicep Exercise
-Forearm Curl Variant (reverse grip or hammer curls)
-Tricep Press of Some sort
-Extension Variant
-Possibly some pressdowns to finish
All ramped up to one top set or possibly one heavy top set with one medium rep one after it. (Gotta thank CC for teaching me this stuff… He’s the one to ask if you want more info.)
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Yea I’ve talked to him about it, I can’t wait to train like that and see how it goes (recovering from something now so I can’t really train for another month)
[quote]Vegg wrote:
Something like 45lbs, but too much of it was fat. That’s why I’m dieting at the moment though. I’m definitely going to take it slower when I’m back to gaining.
Also, I have to mention that my arms are closer to 16.5" now that I’m slightly leaner. Small… But at least they’re moving in the right direction.[/quote]
Yea I know what you mean, how much of the 45lb. do you think was actually just fat?
[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:
pumped340 wrote:
To the OP how long were you resting between sets?
I was originally thinking it must have been really low but I guess if each set was about 30 seconds that’s 1min. rest per set which isn’t bad at all depending on what your trying to do
Rest between pullups was about 15 seconds. In between exercises it was about a minute. (to load a bar on a rack for the rows for instance). Craziest parts of my back are still sore today. I won’t be doing it every workout, but for a change of pace it worked out pretty good.
Also, to the guy with the bikini picture avatar saying anything less than X number of minutes is a waste, wasn’t there a famous guy who believed in only doing 1 set at max effort per exercise or body part…what was his name again? [/quote]
that avatar is me and its not a bikini picture its called a speedo what you wear when you compete.and like i said before if you read. 1 set at max is for strength gains and was proved to be not effective or should i say as effective as 3 sets of max effort per excercise.
[quote]ryanw2007 wrote:
AccipiterQ wrote:
pumped340 wrote:
To the OP how long were you resting between sets?
I was originally thinking it must have been really low but I guess if each set was about 30 seconds that’s 1min. rest per set which isn’t bad at all depending on what your trying to do
Rest between pullups was about 15 seconds. In between exercises it was about a minute. (to load a bar on a rack for the rows for instance). Craziest parts of my back are still sore today. I won’t be doing it every workout, but for a change of pace it worked out pretty good.
Also, to the guy with the bikini picture avatar saying anything less than X number of minutes is a waste, wasn’t there a famous guy who believed in only doing 1 set at max effort per exercise or body part…what was his name again?
that avatar is me and its not a bikini picture its called a speedo what you wear when you compete.and like i said before if you read. 1 set at max is for strength gains and was proved to be not effective or should i say as effective as 3 sets of max effort per excercise.[/quote]
