I was wondering how long it would take elder forlife to peek in here =]
[quote]forlife wrote:
[quote]byukid wrote:
[quote]storey420 wrote:
But by that answer aren’t you saying yes it is true until they receive the gospel? In other words yes without receiving the gospel mother theresa doesn’t get to go to the highest level of heaven like somebody that got married in the temple and met the other criteria?[/quote]
Well, there is some evidence that suggests that those who never heard the true Gospel in its fullness will not have to go through the ordinances, or that their reception is immediate and understood, but I think it’s safe to say that since God does the judging and makes the decision we can only say I don’t know exactly where she stands, but I know what I need to do because of the path laid out in scripture. [/quote]
More specifically, Mormons believe that those who didn’t have the opportunity to receive the gospel in this life will be given that opportunity in the spirit world, prior to the final judgment. Temple ordinances are performed by proxy for everyone that has died, and if they choose to accept those ordinances in the spirit world they can still inherit the Celestial Kingdom.[/quote]
Now if you want to go a bit deeper, that’s not necessarily true (though it may very well indeed be the mechanism whereby this tidbit is explained) as in D&C 137
"6And amarveled how it was that he had obtained an binheritance in that kingdom, seeing that he had departed this life before the Lord had set his hand to cgather Israel the second time, and had not been dbaptized for the remission of sins.
7Thus came the avoice of the Lord unto me, saying: All who have died bwithout a knowledge of this gospel, who would have received it if they had been permitted to tarry, shall be cheirs of the celestial kingdom of God;
8Also all that shall die henceforth without a knowledge of it, who awould have received it with all their hearts, shall be heirs of that kingdom;
9For I, the Lord, will ajudge all men according to their bworks, according to the cdesire of their hearts.
10And I also beheld that all achildren who die before they arrive at the byears of accountability are csaved in the celestial kingdom of heaven."
Now, I grant that it may in fact be that the how is because the opportunity for reception of ordinances is given, but it doesn’t explicitly say so in here.
(sorry for the random letters in the quotation- they include the footnote markings)
For explicity, you need to look at other scriptural references on temple ordinances for the dead. Why would Mormons perform these ordinances by proxy if they didn’t believe they were necessary for all, including those that have died? Jesus visited the spirits in prison prior to his resurrection to preach the gospel, and give them the opportunity to accept it. He wouldn’t have done so unless it was actually necessary for them to hear the word, and accept or reject it.
[quote]forlife wrote:
For explicity, you need to look at other scriptural references on temple ordinances for the dead. Why would Mormons perform these ordinances by proxy if they didn’t believe they were necessary for all, including those that have died? Jesus visited the spirits in prison prior to his resurrection to preach the gospel, and give them the opportunity to accept it. He wouldn’t have done so unless it was actually necessary for them to hear the word, and accept or reject it.[/quote]
On that note, several Catholic and Jewish groups told the LDS church in no uncertain terms to stop using names from their church rolls for proxy baptisms.
No peace even when dead it would seem.
[quote]John S. wrote:
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Why do some of you knock on my door, I tell you I am not interested and then come knock on it again a month later.
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Why is it that everytime I am at a friends and they agree to talk to you, you always want to come around dinner?
If you have answer’s for these questions or questions of your own post them here.[/quote]
And more importantly, how do magnets work?
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]forlife wrote:
For explicity, you need to look at other scriptural references on temple ordinances for the dead. Why would Mormons perform these ordinances by proxy if they didn’t believe they were necessary for all, including those that have died? Jesus visited the spirits in prison prior to his resurrection to preach the gospel, and give them the opportunity to accept it. He wouldn’t have done so unless it was actually necessary for them to hear the word, and accept or reject it.[/quote]
On that note, several Catholic and Jewish groups told the LDS church in no uncertain terms to stop using names from their church rolls for proxy baptisms.
No peace even when dead it would seem.
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I had to tell this to my cousin. Was a strange conversation.
I have three questions.
How come Mormons have wrote such condemning stuff about the Catholics from Joseph Smith to Orsan Pratt?
How come ya’ll think abortion is okay?
What do you actually believe about God?
I’ll let them answer Chris, but keep reading. You are entering a world of theological and intellectual mazes, messes and fantasies that make even… forget it. You’ll see.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I’ll let them answer Chris, but keep reading. You are entering a world of theological and intellectual mazes, messes and fantasies that make even… forget it. You’ll see.[/quote]
We’ve been in your world already to long…
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I have three questions.
How come Mormons have wrote such condemning stuff about the Catholics from Joseph Smith to Orsan Pratt?
How come ya’ll think abortion is okay?
What do you actually believe about God?[/quote]
- I assume you are referring to the belief by some LDS members that the Roman Catholic Church is the “great and abominable church” spoken of in The Book of Mormon. That is not LDS doctrine. There really isn’t a specific church we can point to.
http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/jbms/?vol=7&num=1&id=168
- Saying we think abortion is okay is a little misleading.
“Church leaders have said that some exceptional circumstances may justify an abortion, such as when pregnancy is the result of incest or rape, when the life or health of the mother is judged by competent medical authority to be in serious jeopardy, or when the fetus is known by competent medical authority to have severe defects that will not allow the baby to survive beyond birth. But even these circumstances do not automatically justify an abortion. Those who face such circumstances should consider abortion only after consulting with their local Church leaders and receiving a confirmation through earnest prayer.”
http://lds.org/study/topics/abortion?lang=eng&query=abortion
- What we believe about God is a very broad question. You need to be a bit more specific. At the basic level, we believe that the Godhead is comprised of Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. We do not believe in the Trinity. We believe each is a separate being with a distinct role; yet they are one in purpose and doctrine.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I’ll let them answer Chris, but keep reading. You are entering a world of theological and intellectual mazes, messes and fantasies that make even… forget it. You’ll see.[/quote]
We’ve been in your world already to long…[/quote]You have no choice there Patty me lad.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I’ll let them answer Chris, but keep reading. You are entering a world of theological and intellectual mazes, messes and fantasies that make even… forget it. You’ll see.[/quote]
We’ve been in your world already to long…[/quote]You have no choice there Patty me lad.
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Now that’s calvinist right there…
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I’ll let them answer Chris, but keep reading. You are entering a world of theological and intellectual mazes, messes and fantasies that make even… forget it. You’ll see.[/quote]
We’ve been in your world already to long…[/quote]You have no choice there Patty me lad.
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Now that’s calvinist right there…[/quote]Touche’ LOL! Ya really don’t though. Nobody does. It’s HIS world.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I have three questions.
How come Mormons have wrote such condemning stuff about the Catholics from Joseph Smith to Orsan Pratt?
How come ya’ll think abortion is okay?
What do you actually believe about God?[/quote]
- I assume you are referring to the belief by some LDS members that the Roman Catholic Church is the “great and abominable church” spoken of in The Book of Mormon. That is not LDS doctrine. There really isn’t a specific church we can point to.
http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/jbms/?vol=7&num=1&id=168 [/quote]
I am talking about these:
“I was answered that I must join none of them (Christian churches), for they were all wrong their creeds were an abomination in [God’s] sight; that those professors were all corrupt” - Joseph Smith
“Orthodox Christian views of God are pagan rather than Christian” - B. H. Roberts
This one is my favorite:
“The Roman Catholic, Greek, and Protestant church, is the great corrupt, ecclesiastical power, represented by great Babylon” - Orsan Pratt
And from the man, blanket condemnation:
“All the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels.” - Joseph Smith
Well, why can’t the Mormon church say that abortion is wrong, if it’s wrong in the case of a healthy baby, isn’t it also wrong to murder another baby just because it is sick? And, why should it be up to the free will of the couple who is pregnant. If I am correct, LDS Church has no problem with these statements:
“The church opposes gambling in any form.” Members are also urged to oppose legislation and government sponsorship of any form of gambling (Handbook, 150).
The church also opposes pornography in any form (158).
Church members are to reject all efforts to legally authorize or support same-sex unions (158).
The kicker, is that you do have teaching on abortion. The same Handbook that I have the other quotes from says, “It is a fact that a child has life before birth. However, there is no direct revelation on when the spirit enters the body” (156). Old teachings by Mormon prophets referr to the child in the womb as “a child,” “a baby,” a “human being,” and proclaimed abortion as “killing,” “a grevious sin,” “a damnable practice.” The Prophet Kimball wrote, “We have repreatedly affirmed the position of the church in unalterably opposing all abortions” (Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, 189).
So, how come it’s left up to the believer, now? I mean there is no need of guidance from the church to approve those three activities above. A prayerful game of chance, unrepented, gets you kicked out of the temple and ultimate salvation; however, a prayful abortion, unrepented, won’t?
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3. What we believe about God is a very broad question. You need to be a bit more specific. At the basic level, we believe that the Godhead is comprised of Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. We do not believe in the Trinity. We believe each is a separate being with a distinct role; yet they are one in purpose and doctrine. [/quote]
Okay, well the reason I ask, is because I read some things that were quite interesting.
First, In the Book of Moses (1831), the singular for God is used around 50 times in the 2-3rd chapters. The creation account uses the singular, “I, God, this. I, God, that. I, God, this and that.”
Second, in another work of Smith’s, the Book of Mormon (1830), nothing to plurality either. The only thing I can really see is a possible extreme modalism or binitarianism. On top of that it makes a point on God’s spiritual and eternal unity calling him the “Great Spirit” (Alma 11:44 or 22:10-11).
Third, The Lectures of Faith teach what seems to be a bitheism, that there is the Father and there is the Son, and the Holy Ghost is the mind, basically? Anyway.
Fourth, this is where it gets quite interesting. The Book of Abraham in chapters four and five, some 45 times Smith writes “the gods this…the gods that…the gods this and that.” Now, we have a plurality.
Fifth, Then we have Smith’s vision when he was 14 years old, where he wrote that the Father and the Son where seperate “personages” (I have to admit, I didn’t know that was a word). And, this seems to appear after 1838, which was after the Book of Abraham.
Sixth, we have the King Follett Discourse:
“God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens[.] That is the great secret. If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit, and who upholds all worlds and all things by his power, was to make himself visible. I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in formâ??like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man. The scriptures inform us that Jesus said, 'As the Father hath power to himself, even so hath the Son power’â??to do what? Why, what the Father did. The answer is obviousâ??in a manner to lay down his body and take it up again. Jesus, what are you going to do? To lay down my life as my Father did, and take it up again. Do you believe it? If you do not believe it, you do not believe the Bible. The scriptures say it and I defy all the learning and wisdom and all the combined powers of earth and hell together to refute it.”
And finally, Prophet Hinckley back in '97 said, "I wouldnâ??t say that [God was once man]. There’s a little couplet coined, ‘As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become.’ Now, that’s more of a couplet than anything else. That gets into some pretty deep theology that we don’t know very much about.
And, now I am utterly confused. Do you believe that Catholics and all other Christians are going to be along with the devil, or not? Do you believe that abortion is okay, or not? Do you believe that God is singular, bi-theistic, polytheistic, once man or was not once a man?
King Follet Discourse woohoo, Chris is cookin now. Very good post and you still have not even scratched the surface. Trust me. You think you’re confused now?
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I have three questions.
How come Mormons have wrote such condemning stuff about the Catholics from Joseph Smith to Orsan Pratt?
How come ya’ll think abortion is okay?
What do you actually believe about God?[/quote]
- I assume you are referring to the belief by some LDS members that the Roman Catholic Church is the “great and abominable church” spoken of in The Book of Mormon. That is not LDS doctrine. There really isn’t a specific church we can point to.
http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/jbms/?vol=7&num=1&id=168 [/quote]
I am talking about these:
“I was answered that I must join none of them (Christian churches), for they were all wrong their creeds were an abomination in [God’s] sight; that those professors were all corrupt” - Joseph Smith
“Orthodox Christian views of God are pagan rather than Christian” - B. H. Roberts
This one is my favorite:
“The Roman Catholic, Greek, and Protestant church, is the great corrupt, ecclesiastical power, represented by great Babylon” - Orsan Pratt
And from the man, blanket condemnation:
“All the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels.” - Joseph Smith
Well, why can’t the Mormon church say that abortion is wrong, if it’s wrong in the case of a healthy baby, isn’t it also wrong to murder another baby just because it is sick? And, why should it be up to the free will of the couple who is pregnant. If I am correct, LDS Church has no problem with these statements:
“The church opposes gambling in any form.” Members are also urged to oppose legislation and government sponsorship of any form of gambling (Handbook, 150).
The church also opposes pornography in any form (158).
Church members are to reject all efforts to legally authorize or support same-sex unions (158).
The kicker, is that you do have teaching on abortion. The same Handbook that I have the other quotes from says, “It is a fact that a child has life before birth. However, there is no direct revelation on when the spirit enters the body” (156). Old teachings by Mormon prophets referr to the child in the womb as “a child,” “a baby,” a “human being,” and proclaimed abortion as “killing,” “a grevious sin,” “a damnable practice.” The Prophet Kimball wrote, “We have repreatedly affirmed the position of the church in unalterably opposing all abortions” (Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, 189).
So, how come it’s left up to the believer, now? I mean there is no need of guidance from the church to approve those three activities above. A prayerful game of chance, unrepented, gets you kicked out of the temple and ultimate salvation; however, a prayful abortion, unrepented, won’t?
[quote]
3. What we believe about God is a very broad question. You need to be a bit more specific. At the basic level, we believe that the Godhead is comprised of Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. We do not believe in the Trinity. We believe each is a separate being with a distinct role; yet they are one in purpose and doctrine. [/quote]
Okay, well the reason I ask, is because I read some things that were quite interesting.
First, In the Book of Moses (1831), the singular for God is used around 50 times in the 2-3rd chapters. The creation account uses the singular, “I, God, this. I, God, that. I, God, this and that.”
Second, in another work of Smith’s, the Book of Mormon (1830), nothing to plurality either. The only thing I can really see is a possible extreme modalism or binitarianism. On top of that it makes a point on God’s spiritual and eternal unity calling him the “Great Spirit” (Alma 11:44 or 22:10-11).
Third, The Lectures of Faith teach what seems to be a bitheism, that there is the Father and there is the Son, and the Holy Ghost is the mind, basically? Anyway.
Fourth, this is where it gets quite interesting. The Book of Abraham in chapters four and five, some 45 times Smith writes “the gods this…the gods that…the gods this and that.” Now, we have a plurality.
Fifth, Then we have Smith’s vision when he was 14 years old, where he wrote that the Father and the Son where seperate “personages” (I have to admit, I didn’t know that was a word). And, this seems to appear after 1838, which was after the Book of Abraham.
Sixth, we have the King Follett Discourse:
“God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens[.] That is the great secret. If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit, and who upholds all worlds and all things by his power, was to make himself visible. I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in formÃ???Ã??Ã?¢??like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man. The scriptures inform us that Jesus said, 'As the Father hath power to himself, even so hath the Son power’Ã???Ã??Ã?¢??to do what? Why, what the Father did. The answer is obviousÃ???Ã??Ã?¢??in a manner to lay down his body and take it up again. Jesus, what are you going to do? To lay down my life as my Father did, and take it up again. Do you believe it? If you do not believe it, you do not believe the Bible. The scriptures say it and I defy all the learning and wisdom and all the combined powers of earth and hell together to refute it.”
And finally, Prophet Hinckley back in '97 said, "I wouldnÃ???Ã??Ã?¢??t say that [God was once man]. There’s a little couplet coined, ‘As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become.’ Now, that’s more of a couplet than anything else. That gets into some pretty deep theology that we don’t know very much about.
And, now I am utterly confused. Do you believe that Catholics and all other Christians are going to be along with the devil, or not? Do you believe that abortion is okay, or not? Do you believe that God is singular, bi-theistic, polytheistic, once man or was not once a man?[/quote]
This link will address the part about teachings in other churches being abominations in the sight of God:
Regarding abortion: It’s not just up to the couple. It may be acceptable in very limited circumstances as I wrote above. This is similar to the concept of killing another person. It is wrong to kill, but is it ever justified? In war? If commanded by God?
Regarding the nature of God: I told you already what our official doctrine is. Most often, when we refer to God, it’s referring to Heavenly Father. When speaking of Jesus Christ we typically use His name or Lord, Savior, Redeemer, etc. When referring to the Holy Ghost, we use that name, of the Spirit, or Holy Spirit.
There is some difference in how God is referred to in the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, or Pearl of Great Price. This shouldn’t be surprising though as the Bible does the same thing. Some passages make it seem as if the Father and Son are separate beings. Others make it seem as if they are one.
As far as the language of “gods” goes, it is similar to what Paul talked about. I have already posted this, but here it is again:
Paul taught the Corinthians, "For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."18
Now, while some would say that Paul is talking about worshiping “idols,” because he mentions that “an idol is nothing in the world,” in the previous verse. It is clear, however, that Paul makes the distinction in verse 5. He says that while there are those that are “called gods,” it is true, but he clarifies and distinguishes his meaning in two separate ways.
First, Paul follows this statement, referring to those that are called gods, with the words, “whether in heaven or in earth…” Now, I have never seen heaven, but I do not expect to find any idols there for people to worship as gods. So, while “idols” may indeed be inclusive in those that are “called gods,” it is by no means an exclusive term, with the qualifier that follows.
Secondly, Paul acknowledges that “there be gods many, and lords many.” Then he brings the point home, by saying “to us,” however, “there is but one God” and “one Lord.” He clarifies his point: We are only to worship one God, not many gods, although they do exist. We only follow one Lord, not many Lords, although they do exist.
One other item of note regarding Paul’s clarification regarding the existence of “other gods.” It is important to notice what Paul did not say. He did not say that “there be many false gods and false lords,” but “gods many and lords many.” It would seem that if Paul was referring to “false” gods in this passage, he would have clarified such.
Now, this recognition of many gods was not new to Paul. He said nothing new here. Paul’s scriptures, the Old Testament, were replete with references to many gods, to which God was God.
"Who is like unto thee, 0 LORD, among the gods? who is like thee, glorious in holiness fearful in praises, doing wonders?"19
"The LORD your God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great god, a mighty…"20
"The LORD God of gods, the LORD God of gods, he knoweth…"21
"The house which I build is great: for great is our God above all gods"22
"God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods"23
"Among the gods there is none like unto thee, 0 Lord; neither are there any works like unto thy works"24
"The Lord is a great God, and a great King above all gods"25
"I know that the LORD is great, and that our Lord is above all gods"26
And so it is. The Old Testament and the New Testament are consistent in proclaiming the existence of multiple “gods.” However, Latter-day Saints do not recognize any other god as “our God.” “To us, there is but one God, the Father,” and “one Lord, Jesus Christ.” See, our God is the “God of gods.”
18 1 Corinthians 8:5-6.
19 Exodus 15:11.
20 Deuteronomy 10:17.
21 Joshua 22:22.
22 2 Chronicles 2:5.
23 Psalms 82:1.
24 Psalms 86:8.
25 Psalms 95:3.
26 Psalms 135:5.
Regarding God as a former man: President Hinckley was right. We just don’t know much about it. There is no official doctrine on the subject. We do not teach that God was a man just like us. Previous statements were made by Joseph Smith that God had dwelt on the earth at one time like Jesus did. However, that does not mean he believed that God was exactly the same as us or that he ever sinned. We certainly believe that we were created in His image and thus, he has a body similar to ours.
Remember, not every statement made by a former church leader becomes official LDS doctrine. Prophets are not like the Pope in your church; they are not infallible.
We probably don’t know much about it because it isn’t important to our personal salvation. God has revealed what is necessary for salvation. It’s not important that we know every detail of the nature of God or how the universe works.
We also do not believe that everyone else from all other churches will end up in hell (outer darkness) with Satan. We believe that everyone will have the opportunity to accept or reject the gospel, whether that be in this life or the next. So I think you’re probably safe. 
Very few people will actually end up residing with Satan for eternity.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:<<< Regarding God as a former man: President Hinckley was right. We just don’t know much about it. There is no official doctrine on the subject. <<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
We probably don’t know much about it because it isn’t important to our personal salvation. >>>[/quote]Are you hearin this. Whether they believe God was once a man or not is not important to their salvation. [quote]super saiyan wrote:<<< We also do not believe that everyone else from all other churches will end up in hell (outer darkness) with Satan. We believe that everyone will have the opportunity to accept or reject the gospel, whether that be in this life or the next. So I think you’re probably safe. 
Very few people will actually end up residing with Satan for eternity.[/quote]Come on don’t be shy. Celestial, Terrestial and Telestial for one and all except the sons of perdition who actually do go to be with Satan in “outer darkness”. I am being dead serious when I say I have much more respect for people, hideously wrong though they may be, if they actually have some courage of their convictions. Come on tell us. How does one come to be a “son of perdition” and just as importantly is how one does not. Jeffery Dahmer, Adolf Hitler, Charles Mansion and Pope John XII are probably NOT sons of perdition.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:<<< Regarding God as a former man: President Hinckley was right. We just don’t know much about it. There is no official doctrine on the subject. <<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
We probably don’t know much about it because it isn’t important to our personal salvation. >>>[/quote]Are you hearin this. Whether they believe God was once a man or not is not important to their salvation. [quote]super saiyan wrote:<<< We also do not believe that everyone else from all other churches will end up in hell (outer darkness) with Satan. We believe that everyone will have the opportunity to accept or reject the gospel, whether that be in this life or the next. So I think you’re probably safe. Very few people will actually end up residing with Satan for eternity.[/quote]Come on don’t be shy. Celestial, Terrestial and Telestial for one and all except the sons of perdition who actually do go to be with Satan in “outer darkness”. I am being dead serious when I say I have much more respect for people, hideously wrong though they may be, if they actually have some courage of their convictions. Come on tell us. How does one come to be a “son of perdition” and just as importantly is how one does not. Jeffery Dahmer, Adolf Hitler, Charles Mansion and Pope John XII are probably NOT sons of perdition.
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You have a real problem with reading comprehension. I just said that we have no official doctrine that teaches that God was ever just like us. Don’t twist what I say. What I said is that understanding everything about God’s nature is not important to our salvation. Do you know everything about God? I didn’t think so, and yet you claim you are saved.
Why are you asserting I lacked courage in my response? He asked if we believed everyone else goes to hell and I responded. If he wants more details I will give them.
You really have no room to ridicule my religion. Yours paints a picture of a ridiculous pointless existence where nothing we do matters. All we can do is cross our fingers and hope we are one of the elect.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:<<< You have a real problem with reading comprehension. I just said that we have no official doctrine that teaches that God was ever just like us. >>>[/quote]Whether God was ever a man, of any kind for that matter, or not, has no bearing on your salvation? True or false?
Also, stop being so over sensitive. I did not say you lacked courage. I was encouraging you not to on my account. Mormons can talk for 2 hours without ever ACTUALLY letting on that what they mean by what they say is not even vaguely similar to the historical Christian gospel. I hate that. Just tell me. I believe in 3 gods, I will one day be a god myself spawning spirit babies with my numerous celestial wives that will be waiting for bodies on my planet. That’s what temple marriage and sealings are all about. Fine, now we can talk like big boys. This crap about how our godhead has 3 separate beings 1,2,3 all divine, Paul talks literally about many actual gods but were not polytheists is just plain silly. Wear it with Pride praise gods. I mean that. People will find out anyway.
Now my beloved Christopher, who is a studying MACHINE, will in a few days have pretty much confirmed everything I’ve been saying about your church. Then Pat will feel silly for having defending you against me because now His Catholic homeboy will have us buried in documentation demonstrating what I’ve been saying all along. All because you just couldn’t come straight out from the beginning and say "yes, we believe in “THE EXISTENCE” of many gods which is polytheism, instead of rationalizing your way around it for no good reason from your point of view if you really believed that was the truth.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:<<< You have a real problem with reading comprehension. I just said that we have no official doctrine that teaches that God was ever just like us. >>>[/quote]Whether God was ever a man, of any kind for that matter, or not, has no bearing on your salvation? True or false?
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Read my post above. We have no official doctrine on the matter so it’s irrelevant. What is taught in the official LDS doctrine is what is pertinent to our salvation.
Do you believe that Jesus Christ walked the earth, and appeared in the flesh as man, similar to us, though not exactly like us?