[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
forbes wrote:
This is very interesting indeed. Coach, I presume you’re basically only getting your bodyweights worth in grams of protein no? Thats a far cry from the 1.5 - 1.75 g/lb you used to recommend. I like this because if muscle growth can be possible with the least amount of protein, it makes things much easier.
How would you go about total protein AND pulsing on off days? Basically, how many total grams of protein would you consume on off days and how many pulses would you do?
I honeslty don’t know how much grams of protein I’m axtually getting in because I’m not really counting. But 250g, which is slightly above 1g per pound of me, would seem to be about right.
As for my off days, I do not count protein either. I just make sure to get 3 pulses during the day and 3 solid meals.[/quote]
i love this new format. I have incorporated 1 day of no protein, do i still protein pulse in the morning and before bed only or for better results, should i make that day a true, no protein day-which is my off day?
thanks.
I would still have a pulse in the morning and a solid protein meal at night. We do NOT want a day of no protein. We want a day of minimal proteain.[/quote]
On the private page of german bodybuilder Andreas Frey, the Mr. Universe of 2005, he published a liquid breakfast recipe he swears on and eats every morning, consisting of milk, banana, egg white and yolk, oat meal, low-fat curd, whey protein powder and safflower oil. Even the small version of this recipe would consist of 130g protein, 100g carbs, 20g fats and 1100 calories in total.
Since this would make up about 1/3 of my daily caloric needs (calculated with the Harris-Benedict formulas) Iâ??m very tempted to try it out but I want to know your opinion on that recipe since Iâ??m a little skeptical of this huge amount of calories and protein content in one meal at the beginning of the day even though I want to gain mass. Also, would this recipe be usable for protein pulsing noting that the protein is pretty much equally divided up between the curd and the other ingrediences?
Also, I’d like to ask you something on the topic of consuming slow digesting protein before going to bed: Before I go to bed I eat 500g of curd but Iâ??m not sure if I should count the calories and proteins to my intake of that day or if theyâ??re more counted as a â??transition-mealâ?? from the current day the to the next. What do you say?
Thibs, When pulsing throughout the day, is their a minimum amount of time where someone should not eat beforehand, or does it just matter about the level of AA’s in the blood at the time of pulsing. Im asking due to the digestion rate of the pulse after ingesting nutrients that SLOW digestion. E.g.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
forbes wrote:
This is very interesting indeed. Coach, I presume you’re basically only getting your bodyweights worth in grams of protein no? Thats a far cry from the 1.5 - 1.75 g/lb you used to recommend. I like this because if muscle growth can be possible with the least amount of protein, it makes things much easier.
How would you go about total protein AND pulsing on off days? Basically, how many total grams of protein would you consume on off days and how many pulses would you do?
I honestly don’t know how much grams of protein I’m actually getting in because I’m not really counting. But 250g, which is slightly above 1g per pound of me, would seem to be about right.
As for my off days, I do not count protein either. I just make sure to get 3 pulses during the day and 3 solid meals.[/quote]
Coach, I am thinking pulsing with Surge Recovery is more effective than with the Grow! alone. I currently have Grow! and have whey hydro on the way? I have also been mixing some of the Grow! with the Surge Recovery for a pulse. Thoughts?
[quote]forbes wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
forbes wrote:
This is very interesting indeed. Coach, I presume you’re basically only getting your bodyweights worth in grams of protein no? Thats a far cry from the 1.5 - 1.75 g/lb you used to recommend. I like this because if muscle growth can be possible with the least amount of protein, it makes things much easier.
How would you go about total protein AND pulsing on off days? Basically, how many total grams of protein would you consume on off days and how many pulses would you do?
I honeslty don’t know how much grams of protein I’m axtually getting in because I’m not really counting. But 250g, which is slightly above 1g per pound of me, would seem to be about right.
As for my off days, I do not count protein either. I just make sure to get 3 pulses during the day and 3 solid meals.
Are those solid meals with minimal protein?[/quote]
No, I’d say a normal protein intake from anywhere between 200 to 400g of chicken, turkey, buffalo, horse meat or fish.
[quote]shoelessjones wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
forbes wrote:
This is very interesting indeed. Coach, I presume you’re basically only getting your bodyweights worth in grams of protein no? Thats a far cry from the 1.5 - 1.75 g/lb you used to recommend. I like this because if muscle growth can be possible with the least amount of protein, it makes things much easier.
How would you go about total protein AND pulsing on off days? Basically, how many total grams of protein would you consume on off days and how many pulses would you do?
I honestly don’t know how much grams of protein I’m actually getting in because I’m not really counting. But 250g, which is slightly above 1g per pound of me, would seem to be about right.
As for my off days, I do not count protein either. I just make sure to get 3 pulses during the day and 3 solid meals.
Coach, I am thinking pulsing with Surge Recovery is more effective than with the Grow! alone. I currently have Grow! and have whey hydro on the way? I have also been mixing some of the Grow! with the Surge Recovery for a pulse. Thoughts?[/quote]
Oh yeah, Surge Recovery would probably be one of the most powerful way to pulse because it spikes insulin too.
The absolute best pulse would be 1 scoop of Surge Recovery and 1 scoop of Anaconda (if it comes out). Although 1 scoop of Recovery plus 1 scoop of Whey would also be good.
Obviously, not everybody can handle all those carbs though.
Essentially a person is either focused on gaining muscle, losing bodyfat, or maintaining his physique at any given point in time (this is clearly over-simplfying it a bit but seems like it would apply in most instances).
As such, how would you incorporate pulses when maintaining your physique or losing fat as opposed to focusing on maximum muscle gain? Would you still focus on pre-breakfast; pre, during, and post training; and then about 60-90 minutes after the initial post training pulse?
Or would you scale back during maintenance or fat-loss phases? You’ve noted that for muscle gain, the more spikes and drops back to “baseline” you can have, the better it is for muscle growth. It may be a bit early for you to have an idea about just how many spikes can be incorporated during maintenance or fat-loss phases, but if you have any thoughts in this regard, I’d be grateful to hear them
And when pulsing, would leucine still be used at 3-5g whenever a solid meal is still incorporated, regardless of current goal?
I am curious as to when the best timing is for Omega-3 and other recommended fats. It would obviously slow the absorption of aminos in a pulse as well as reduce insulin response. Would the ideal timing for such fat consumption be around the solid meals - preferably evening meals?
[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
I am curious as to when the best timing is for Omega-3 and other recommended fats. It would obviously slow the absorption of aminos in a pulse as well as reduce insulin response. Would the ideal timing for such fat consumption be around the solid meals - preferably evening meals?[/quote]
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
shoelessjones wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
forbes wrote:
This is very interesting indeed. Coach, I presume you’re basically only getting your bodyweights worth in grams of protein no? Thats a far cry from the 1.5 - 1.75 g/lb you used to recommend. I like this because if muscle growth can be possible with the least amount of protein, it makes things much easier.
How would you go about total protein AND pulsing on off days? Basically, how many total grams of protein would you consume on off days and how many pulses would you do?
I honestly don’t know how much grams of protein I’m actually getting in because I’m not really counting. But 250g, which is slightly above 1g per pound of me, would seem to be about right.
As for my off days, I do not count protein either. I just make sure to get 3 pulses during the day and 3 solid meals.
Coach, I am thinking pulsing with Surge Recovery is more effective than with the Grow! alone. I currently have Grow! and have whey hydro on the way? I have also been mixing some of the Grow! with the Surge Recovery for a pulse. Thoughts?
Oh yeah, Surge recovery would probably be one of the most powerful way to pulse because it spikes insulin too.
The absolute best pulse would be 1 scoop of surge recovery and 1 scoop of anaconda (if it comes out). Although 1 scoop of recovery plus 1 scoop of whey would also be good.
Obviously, not everybody can handle all those carbs though.[/quote]
That’s my concern is the carbs. I don’t think my body is quite ready for all of them to be honest. I have the whey hydro on the way; I will continue with the Recovery until it arrives. I definitely feel fuller doing the Recovery and I only use 1/2 of scoop with each pulse and then use Grow! with it.
Yeah, I’ve been definitely noticing an increase of my strength for the past couple weeks with this AA pulsing protocol and Biotest Alpha GPC, despite the fact that I have been on a low carb diet, and have had insomnia for the past week (summer school and chem research… :/). Thanks Coach for all of this info. It’s come in real handy and I can’t wait for the final protocol to come out!
Apologies as I am sure you have covered this already, but what exactly is “Pulsing” and what does it consist of (aminos, protein types etc) and when do you use it? If you could link a post which describes this or could explain it youself that would be really helpful.
With this pulse and para-w, how many grams of protein and fat per pound of bodyweight we have to use as starting point?
Thanks
The para-workout protocol is not bodyweight dependant. At first I planned on making it so, but after discussing it with 2 Ph.d. in nutrition I came to the conclusion that this would be unnecessary.[/quote]
Does that means that we should eat the same amount of protein per day regardless of our body weight?
I’ve read through all the posts and still trying to piece together how amino pulsing works. Is I understand it, it is basicaly having a small amount of fast acting aminos before having a more solid meal with reasonably fast digesting proteins.
My normal routine during the week is get up around 6.45/7am leave my appt by 7.25am, have about a 1hr commute to work on the train, get to work around 8.30am and have breafast.
My normal breakfast is a shake with 40g of a whey iso/egg white/micellar casein blend and 50g of Organic Museli/Porridge.
My question is should I have 5-7g leucine before I leave my apartment and then have my breakfast 1 hour later when I get to work or should I wait until I get to work then have the 5-7g of Leucine wait 20mins then have my breakfast? I guess neither is optimal but which is more optimal?
Also I should point out, I have Surge Recovery, BCAAs, Leucine and Casein Hydro (PeptoPro) which would be best for Pulsing and how much should I be looking to use?
