Questions About Protein/Amino Pulsing

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[quote]FERCHCORE wrote:
CT- So, based on this new information/study, going more than 3 hours between meals, isn’t as damaging as once thought, and may have been somewhat benificial. Since you’d be letting your aminos clear out before the next meal.[/quote]

Show me ONE study that shows that having more than 3 hours between meals is detrimental. THERE ARE NONE!!!

Actually recent studies have been showing no difference between ingesting the same amount of nutrients over 3 meals versus over 5-6 meals.

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[quote]d_frappier wrote:
Coach,

I workout at 12 and wake up at 6, I pulse when waking and have my first meal by 6:30 per your recommendation, but I am having a hard time figuring whether I should pulse again before my workout or if I should have a solid meal. Any help with this conundrum would be greatly appreciated.

Dan[/quote]

I would recommend a solid meal at 9, but with easily digested foods. Low-fat fish like tilapia or chicken would be okay.

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[quote]limitatinfinity wrote:
Hi CT,

All this info is exciting. Many thanks in advance.

How would you go about using Amino Pulsing with minimal carbohydrates during the day?

Is AA pulsing still better than your Refined Physique Transformation protocol if you’ve got a lot of fat(15-20%) to lose first?

Thanks again.
[/quote]

That’s the thing… amino pulsing during the day can be done without carbs. However for maximum muscle growth, carbs should be included in the para-workout protocol.

Actually the most anabolic response would come from eating low carbs all day BUT having plenty of the right type of carbs para-workout.

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
FERCHCORE wrote:
CT- So, based on this new information/study, going more than 3 hours between meals, isn’t as damaging as once thought, and may have been somewhat benificial. Since you’d be letting your aminos clear out before the next meal.

Show me ONE study that shows that having more than 3 hours between meals is detrimental. THERE ARE NONE!!!

Actually recent studies have been showing no difference between ingesting the same amount of nutrients over 3 meals versus over 5-6 meals.[/quote]

or even a benefit!!!

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
FERCHCORE wrote:
CT- So, based on this new information/study, going more than 3 hours between meals, isn’t as damaging as once thought, and may have been somewhat benificial. Since you’d be letting your aminos clear out before the next meal.

Show me ONE study that shows that having more than 3 hours between meals is detrimental. THERE ARE NONE!!!

Actually recent studies have been showing no difference between ingesting the same amount of nutrients over 3 meals versus over 5-6 meals.[/quote]

Ha, that’s great, no studies. Another false fact “experts” ran with then. I remember a while back when I couldn’t get meals in without them being a round 4 hours apart, due to my job at the time. Made some of my best gains then, guess it was not a coincidence.

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
limitatinfinity wrote:
Hi CT,

All this info is exciting. Many thanks in advance.

How would you go about using Amino Pulsing with minimal carbohydrates during the day?

Is AA pulsing still better than your Refined Physique Transformation protocol if you’ve got a lot of fat(15-20%) to lose first?

Thanks again.

That’s the thing… amino pulsing during the day can be done without carbs. However for maximum muscle growth, carbs should be included in the para-workout protocol.

Actually the most anabolic response would come from eating low carbs all day BUT having plenty of the right type of carbs para-workout.
[/quote]

Is it at all peculiar that this is what I am doing, with less protein than before, less calories and I am growing like a weed. Noticable growth in one week, very eager to see the results after one month…

Dan

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Coach

With this pulse and para-w, how many grams of protein and fat per pound of bodyweight we have to use as starting point?

Thanks

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[quote]michell wrote:
Coach

With this pulse and para-w, how many grams of protein and fat per pound of bodyweight we have to use as starting point?

Thanks[/quote]

The para-workout protocol is not bodyweight dependant. At first I planned on making it so, but after discussing it with 2 Ph.d. in nutrition I came to the conclusion that this would be unnecessary.

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[quote]d_frappier wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
limitatinfinity wrote:
Hi CT,

All this info is exciting. Many thanks in advance.

How would you go about using Amino Pulsing with minimal carbohydrates during the day?

Is AA pulsing still better than your Refined Physique Transformation protocol if you’ve got a lot of fat(15-20%) to lose first?

Thanks again.

That’s the thing… amino pulsing during the day can be done without carbs. However for maximum muscle growth, carbs should be included in the para-workout protocol.

Actually the most anabolic response would come from eating low carbs all day BUT having plenty of the right type of carbs para-workout.

Is it at all peculiar that this is what I am doing, with less protein than before, less calories and I am growing like a weed. Noticable growth in one week, very eager to see the results after one month…

Dan[/quote]

I’m not surprised. As I mentionned before, I’m growing much faster now with around 250 total grams of protein per day than in the past where I actually went up to 500-600g.

TIMING and TYPE of nutrient seems to be the real key to growth.

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Christian,

i love this new format. I have incorporated 1 day of no protein, do i still protein pulse in the morning and before bed only or for better results, should i make that day a true, no protein day-which is my off day?

thanks.

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Is there anywhere one could read about “Amino Pulsing”? The only thing I could find was this: Strength Training, Bodybuilding & Online Supplement Store - T NATION

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[quote]tjr-dk wrote:
Is there anywhere one could read about “Amino Pulsing”? The only thing I could find was this: Strength Training, Bodybuilding & Online Supplement Store - T NATION

I’m interested in this as well. But tjr-dk, thanks for posting that link. The article seems very similar to what is being discussed in this thread.

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Coach,

So I have this straight, would you verify this for me please.

Upon Waking 5g Leucine
15 min later CH or Whey isolate shake
30 min later fast absorbed protein breakfast (50 grams of protein)

3 more meals throughout the day of fast absorbed protein(50 grams of protein per meal, 5 grams of Leucine 15 mins before each meal)

If I workout late afternoon/early evening, no meal within 2 hours of training

Follow Para-workout protocol of:

0.2g of BCAAs per pound 45 minutes before workout
5-7g leucine 20 minutes before workout
25g whey isolate and 20-30g of a fast-absorbed carb 10 minutes before workout
25g whey isolate and 5-7g of leucine during the workout (finishing pretty much with the end of the workout)
50g whey 15 minutes after the workout
5-7g leucine 80 minutes after the workout
50g whey isolate 90 minutes after the workout

Finally a slow absorption protein meal(ideally real food, not a shake) and hour or two before bedtime.

If I’m FUBAR, please forgive me. I’m just trying to get this all straight and concise. Hopefully it helps out other people too who might have questions.

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Maybe dumb Questions but anyway…

Why do you want cortisol levels to be high in the morning and low in the evening?
The higher the cortisol level in the morning, the higher the hormonal response if you get some insulin out there?

Where can I learn more about this “Protein/Amino - Pulsing”? Are there any reading recommendations or studies?

Thanks for your time, coach.

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Hi Coach, would this protocol be beneficial to women as well and if so, would there be any adjustment to the numbers/supplements?

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
d_frappier wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
limitatinfinity wrote:
Hi CT,

All this info is exciting. Many thanks in advance.

How would you go about using Amino Pulsing with minimal carbohydrates during the day?

Is AA pulsing still better than your Refined Physique Transformation protocol if you’ve got a lot of fat(15-20%) to lose first?

Thanks again.

That’s the thing… amino pulsing during the day can be done without carbs. However for maximum muscle growth, carbs should be included in the para-workout protocol.

Actually the most anabolic response would come from eating low carbs all day BUT having plenty of the right type of carbs para-workout.

Is it at all peculiar that this is what I am doing, with less protein than before, less calories and I am growing like a weed. Noticable growth in one week, very eager to see the results after one month…

Dan

I’m not surprised. As I mentionned before, I’m growing much faster now with around 250 total grams of protein per day than in the past where I actually went up to 500-600g.

TIMING and TYPE of nutrient seems to be the real key to growth.[/quote]

This is very interesting indeed. Coach, I presume you’re basically only getting your bodyweights worth in grams of protein no? Thats a far cry from the 1.5 - 1.75 g/lb you used to recommend. I like this because if muscle growth can be possible with the least amount of protein, it makes things much easier.

How would you go about total protein AND pulsing on off days? Basically, how many total grams of protein would you consume on off days and how many pulses would you do?

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I must have missed something but where can I find info on Christian’s protein/amino pulse protocal? Was it in an article or a post?

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[quote]forbes wrote:
This is very interesting indeed. Coach, I presume you’re basically only getting your bodyweights worth in grams of protein no? Thats a far cry from the 1.5 - 1.75 g/lb you used to recommend. I like this because if muscle growth can be possible with the least amount of protein, it makes things much easier.

How would you go about total protein AND pulsing on off days? Basically, how many total grams of protein would you consume on off days and how many pulses would you do?
[/quote]

I honestly don’t know how much grams of protein I’m actually getting in because I’m not really counting. But 250g, which is slightly above 1g per pound of me, would seem to be about right.

As for my off days, I do not count protein either. I just make sure to get 3 pulses during the day and 3 solid meals.

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[quote]mav31 wrote:
Christian,

i love this new format. I have incorporated 1 day of no protein, do i still protein pulse in the morning and before bed only or for better results, should i make that day a true, no protein day-which is my off day?

thanks.[/quote]

I would still have a pulse in the morning and a solid protein meal at night. We do NOT want a day of no protein. We want a day of minimal protein.

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[quote]NumbInfinity wrote:
Maybe dumb Questions but anyway…

Why do you want cortisol levels to be high in the morning and low in the evening?
The higher the cortisol level in the morning, the higher the hormonal response if you get some insulin out there?

Where can I learn more about this “Protein/Amino - Pulsing”? Are there any reading recommendations or studies?

Thanks for your time, coach.
[/quote]

Cortisol gets a bad rap as it can lead to muscle loss. But in reality it is a useful hormone for energy production… it is very necessary in fact. Cortisol can actually be described as mild adrenalin. In the morning it’s role is to mobilize energy to get you started. During a workout it also helps with energy mobilization.

It is at night that we want it low, when we want to rest and recover.