Questions About Protein/Amino Pulsing

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[quote]totti13 wrote:
Hi,
what to eat on low protein days between morning and nighttime? [/quote]

I already brushed on that subject. If you are on a low-carbs diet go with veggies, a small amount of nuts, oil, small amount of beans.

If you are not on a low-carbs diet, fruit, veggies, small amount of nuts or beans

102

thanks

103

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
mav31 wrote:
Christian,

i love this new format. I have incorporated 1 day of no protein, do i still protein pulse in the morning and before bed only or for better results, should i make that day a true, no protein day-which is my off day?

thanks.

I would still have a pulse in the morning and a solid protein meal at night. We do NOT want a day of no protein. We want a day of minimal protein.[/quote]

Iā€™m sure this is a repeat question, but how often do you recommend this low-protein day? Obviously on a non-training dayā€¦

Perhaps someone could point me to where all of this is discussed or even post a summary?

Thanks,
Doug

104

[quote]Professor Chaos wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
mav31 wrote:
Christian,

i love this new format. I have incorporated 1 day of no protein, do i still protein pulse in the morning and before bed only or for better results, should i make that day a true, no protein day-which is my off day?

thanks.

I would still have a pulse in the morning and a solid protein meal at night. We do NOT want a day of no protein. We want a day of minimal protein.

Iā€™m sure this is a repeat question, but how often do you recommend this low-protein day? Obviously on a non-training dayā€¦

Perhaps someone could point me to where all of this is discussed or even post a summary?

Thanks,
Doug[/quote]

Once a week.

105

Coach

According to pulsing theory, would amino acids be much better than whey hydrolisate or even casein h ??

The research shows that blood amino acid levels peak and fall much sooner with amino acids then whey h; by this logic having a greater pulse will provide more growth.

Secondly, since blood aa will return to normal much faster, the pulse can be used much often???

Thanks

106

Could an effective protocol be made out of Just Surge Recovery and Leucine, i just know i can definately get these through customs.
I already have Whey isolate. If this has come up im sorry , alot of posts to look though in both threads.

From my limited understanding maybe

-45 min Leucine
-30 min recovery
-10 Whey isolate + creatine
During workout Isolate
60 mins after whey isolate and creatine.

Although should Surge Recovery be used more?

Thanks for these threads , there brilliant.

Cheers

107

Is there an article youā€™ve written on protein pulsing or something i can read to get a better understanding? i feel like iā€™ve got loads of bits and pieces from this thread but no solid information on how itā€™s done or how it would apply to me.

Thanks

108

[quote]A_G wrote:
Coach

According to pulsing theory, would amino acids be much better than whey hydrolisate or even casein h ??

The research shows that blood amino acid levels peak and fall much sooner with amino acids then whey h; by this logic having a greater pulse will provide more growth.

Secondly, since blood aa will return to normal much faster, the pulse can be used much often???

Thanks[/quote]

Actually the proper blend of CH actually leads to hyperaminoacidemia faster than amino acids.

Free-form aminos would be good for pulsing IF the whole pectrum of aminos is included, but it would still be inferior to Anaconda.

109

Should the protein pulse consist of 20g whey protein and 5 g leucine or just whey protein ?

110

[quote]Entrap wrote:
Should the protein pulse consist of 20g whey protein and 5 g leucine or just whey protein ? [/quote]

Whey protein is the 3rd choice for pulsingā€¦ first is casein hydrolisate, second is whey hydrolysate third is regular whey.

If you go with regular whey, Iā€™d precede the pulse by ingesting 5g of leucine 10 minutes prior.

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Entrap wrote:
Should the protein pulse consist of 20g whey protein and 5 g leucine or just whey protein ?

Whey protein is the 3rd choice for pulsingā€¦ first is casein hydrolisate, second is whey hydrolysate third is regular whey.

If you go with regular whey, Iā€™d precede the pulse by ingesting 5g of leucine 10 minutes prior.[/quote]

Thanks,

So whey hydrolysate on its own is ok ? What about paraworkout, should I include leucine if using Surge Recovery and BCAAs ?

112

Coach T:

Since Anaconda is not available, what do you recommend we do as far as casein hydrolysate or whey hydrolysate as an alternative if we want to follow your protocol?

Thanks!

113

Sorry for the lame question but, Where can I find the original pulsing/workout nutrition protocols? I only found Nate Greens para workout protocol but nothing on amino pulsing. Thanks

114

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

Wake up at 6am: 1 scoop Anaconda
6:30: 1 FINiBAR
9:00: 1 scoop Anaconda
9:30: 300-400g of fruits
[/quote]

Why not take the fruits BEFORE the protein (Anaconda) to get a better insulin response?

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Whey is better IMO. I have a graph from a study that shows the actual speed of whey, WHY, cas, and CH compared to one another in the same study on HUMANS.

Hydrolyzed whey beats them all.

Best,
DH

[quote]BWH wrote:
Coach T:

Since Anaconda is not available, what do you recommend we do as far as casein hydrolysate or whey hydrolysate as an alternative if we want to follow your protocol?

Thanks![/quote]

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Quadforce wrote:
Christian, if this is not too much to ask for, what does your current diet look like on workout days?

I normally train at 3:30pmā€¦

Wake up at 6am: 1 scoop Anaconda
6:30: 1 FINiBAR
9:00: 1 scoop Anaconda
9:30: 300-400g of fruits
12:00: Low-fat fish (tilapia, sole) 200-300g
14:45: 2 FINiBARS
15:00: 2 scoops workout fuel
15:15: 2 scoop SURGE RECOVERY
15:30 - 17:00 (during workout): 2 scoops Anaconda
18:00: 1-2 scoops whey
18:30: 200-300g red meat, green veggies, fish oil
21:00: 200-300g chicken, green veggies, fish oil
Before bed: Low-carbs Metabolic Drive (2 scoops)[/quote]

Thib, whats the rationale behind having a Finibar at 6am instead of a solid food breakfast?

JB

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[quote]hit the gym wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

Wake up at 6am: 1 scoop Anaconda
6:30: 1 FINiBAR
9:00: 1 scoop Anaconda
9:30: 300-400g of fruits

Why not take the fruits BEFORE the protein (Anaconda) to get a better insulin response?[/quote]

Fruits do not give as great an insulin response as you may thinkā€¦

118

Thib,

I have a two questions relating to protein pulsing protocols.

  1. With protein/amino pulsing, what is your general rule of thumb for placement of veggie and fruit intake? The stock advice given by many was always to have fruit and/or veggies with each meal save for a post-training drink. But with your pulsing schemes, it would appear that fibrous veggies are best saved for later in the day and fruit (if being consumed) is best earlier in the day but set apart and slightly after a protein pulse.

If this is along the right track, do you see this as cutting into the total amount of daily veggies being eaten/having an impact on acid/base status or would these likely not be impacted?

  1. Another standard recommendation is to generally favor whole foods to supplements. Is this somewhat outdated given the potential power of pulsing with certain protein supplements, or do you simply consider these Biotest protein supplements and bars to be ā€œsouped-upā€ whole foods along the lines of how fish oil is considered a food more so than a supplement?
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Coach,

Iā€™m working with all I have for the next couple weeks; creatine, BCAAā€™s, Surge Workout Fuel, and some whey protein. I read before that you said BCAAā€™s are no longer absolutely necessary with this new protocol, but I have a bunch left so I might as well take them. My question is when is the optimal time to take them with the resources I have?

Appreciate all the info on the new forum, thanks.

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Coach

With these new theory, do you see it as an advantage for athletes?? Basketball, football , hockey players for exampleā€¦
Unless they train with very high volume, wouldnt it be an advantage? WƄĀ°th more training and enhanced insulin sensitivity more times, you can create more pulses
What do you think of this???

I mean you can create as much as 3 pulses before mid and after training sessions considering that sessions take long.
The sessions will break muscle tissue anyway. The question is will the new great anabolism theory be effective to counter it???

Thanks