[quote]cobrakai wrote:
coach, I hope this isn’t doesn’t irritate you, but could you give a quick example of how a ‘pulse’ should be done say in the morning and PWO? There’s so many posts it’s hard to keep it all in order.
Also, if someone can afford both whey isolate and regular casein, where would you space the two throughout the day. Thank you [/quote]
Regular casein (it’s casein hydrolysate that works) will do you no good for pulsing as it is a slow protein. Whey isolate is adequate, albeit not optimal, for pulsing.
In the morning its fairly simple,
You start with the pulse immediately upon waking up. In an ideal world you would use ANACONDA (I’ve been hearing that they might release a small batch soon), until then you can take 5g of leucine, 10 minutes later you have your whey shake (pre-pulse then pulse) and 30-45 min. later you have your breakfast.
Ideally the breakfast should be easily absorbed foods to take advantage of the pulse.
I find this new idea of amino pulsing very interesting. My question is, according to some of your example plans you have laid out the macronutrient and overall energy intake seems low to me for someone trying to gain muscle. I tend to determine my diet based on macronutrients rather than overall calories, but don’t you need a caloric surplus for optimal growth, unless of course the amino pulsing helps stimulate growth without being in a surplus, if you could elaborate It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time.
I also mentioned in a previous post that this is just the basic structure. Food is added to the solid meal depending on how the body is reacting (gaining/losing weight).[/quote]
If one were to eat every 2-3 hours to maintain a caloric surplus, where does pulsing fit in? Looking at the daily intake example you posted earlier, it seems like pulsing is done when amino acids are low, which I would think is at least 2 hours after eating. Would I just have to resort to eating 3-4 meals a day (and eat a bunch of calorie-dense things to get in the needed calories)?
[quote]kg wrote:
Coach, Hope this is the right spot for this question. Currently I’m in a muscle gaining phase where I have 2 high carb days 2 med 2 control days and just started having 1 low protein day. my question is regarding the para workout shakes. my para workout looks like this on a high day:
.2g aminos -60
5g leucine -30
50g carb/25g isolate -20
100g carb/50gisolate pwo
50g carb/25g isolate 60 min after workout
100g carb from oats and 50g protein from egg whites 60 minutes later.
so far this has seems to be allowing me to gain without much fat. so my question is first is that an acceptable protocol considering anaconda isnt available and second i noticed you’ve dropped the pwo shake and pwo carbs so if I drop alot of the carbs around the workout period would it hinder muscle gain or would I still be able to gain even though nutrients would be greatly reduced.
thanks as always[/quote]
KG
What are you using for a carb source for your shakes on your high carb days?
Thib, Thanks for all your valuable info. One question though I am on a limmited budget and was wondering what would be the best approach with just bcaa’s, leucine and whey isolate protein. Thanks for all your help.
0.2g of BCAAs per pound 45 minutes before workout
5-7g leucine 20 minutes before workout
25g whey isolate and 20-30g of a fast-absorbed carb 10 minutes before workout
25g whey isolate and 5-7g of leucine during the workout (finishing pretty much with the end of the workout)
50g whey 15 minutes after the workout
5-7g leucine 80 minutes after the workout
50g whey 90 minutes after the workout[/quote]
Coach, would adding caffeine(200mg) and tyrosine(2g) to the BCAA’s be ok. Where would be a good place to put creatine?
I am a bit confused about how to take my protein pre-workout since I got Power Drive. My supplement ‘arsenal’ consists of creatine, Power Drive, whey isolate and BCAAs. I don’t take BCAAs pre-workout since they apparently slow down the absorption of amino acids in Power Drive… So what I normally do is as follows:
1.whey isolate protein shake with added bcaas upon waking,
2.big breakfast 30 mins later (usually eggs with organic wholemeal german rye bread and large bowl of salad plus a piece of fruit)
3.after around 45 mins-1 hr (I gotta eat it so soon after my breakfast as it takes me around 40 mins to get to the gym)
Pre workout: Power Drive with creatine, coffee
4.during: Whey Isolate 25 gms, I have no leucine, can I just add some BCAAs?
5.Post Workout: Whey Isolate 40 gms + around 20 gms of BCAAs plus creatine and simple carbs
Should I be taking a protein pulse with Power Drive and creatine pre workout?
[quote]jo3 wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
ndiddy85 wrote:
Thibs,
I find this new idea of amino pulsing very interesting. My question is, according to some of your example plans you have laid out the macronutrient and overall energy intake seems low to me for someone trying to gain muscle. I tend to determine my diet based on macronutrients rather than overall calories, but don’t you need a caloric surplus for optimal growth, unless of course the amino pulsing helps stimulate growth without being in a surplus, if you could elaborate It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time.
I also mentioned in a previous post that this is just the basic structure. Food is added to the solid meal depending on how the body is reacting (gaining/losing weight).
If one were to eat every 2-3 hours to maintain a caloric surplus, where does pulsing fit in? Looking at the daily intake example you posted earlier, it seems like pulsing is done when amino acids are low, which I would think is at least 2 hours after eating. Would I just have to resort to eating 3-4 meals a day (and eat a bunch of calorie-dense things to get in the needed calories)?[/quote]
Pulsing actually decreases the needs for protein because the pulse itself stimulate anabolism. So when you use the pulsing strategy you do not need to have protein every 2 hours. Maintaining a steady level of blood amino acids is an outdated theory IMHO. In the past I have consumed as much as 500-600g of protein per day; with the pulsing strategy I might be getting 250, sometimes 300 a day and I’m growing faster than ever in my life.
Steady blood AA and huge protein amounts will work well for drug-enhanced individuals. Why? Because they are elevating protein synthesis via another pathway than hyperaminoacidemia: the artificial increase in testosterone (or anabolic steroids). The natural trainee will benefit much more from the pulsing approach because each pulse creates an anabolic response whereas the drug-enhanced individual is always anabolic due to the drug.
In a natural individual, constant blood AA levels actually lead to protein synthesis blackout, or a decrease in protein synthesis. That leads to less muscle being built. For the drug-enhanced bodybuilder it is not such a big problem because the anabolic drugs can somewhat compensate for that effect (although it is my opinion that even enhanced bodybuilders would benefit from pulsing).
It has been shown that increasing protein intake does lead to greater protein synthesis over the short term. However if the levels are always kept super high, the body adapts to that intake by increasing protein oxidation (basically wasting protein). So over time, as you consume a ton of protein on a constant basis you will build an habituation to the protein and it will lose its muscle-building properties.
You can still eat frequent meals with the pulsing strategy, just make these meals either carbs or fat with low protein levels. Get your protein intake from the pulse and the 3 main meals and add calories as needed for growth throughout the day.
Thib does creatine need to be used w the pulsing method and if so when or should I just eliminate. Thanks[/quote]
It doesn’t need to be. It’s an independent strategy. But both can be used at the same time. The two best times to ingest creatine is around 30-45 min before a workout and post-workout.
[quote]Ad B wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
deshawn wrote:
Hello:
Thib, Thanks for all your valuable info. One question though I am on a limmited budget and was wondering what would be the best approach with just bcaa’s, leucine and whey isolate protein. Thanks for all your help.
0.2g of BCAAs per pound 45 minutes before workout
5-7g leucine 20 minutes before workout
25g whey isolate and 20-30g of a fast-absorbed carb 10 minutes before workout
25g whey isolate and 5-7g of leucine during the workout (finishing pretty much with the end of the workout)
50g whey 15 minutes after the workout
5-7g leucine 80 minutes after the workout
50g whey 90 minutes after the workout
Coach, would adding caffeine(200mg) and tyrosine(2g) to the BCAA’s be ok. Where would be a good place to put creatine?
Regards[/quote]
Caffeine and tyrosine are okay from time to time. But as with most stimulants, I don’t like when they are used on a regular basis.
First, I wanted to comment on the fact that lately I’ve been seeing an evolution with you in regards to many things. There’s amino pulsing, am/pm workouts and that large peri-workout protocol that you use now. It’s good to see that people of your caliber still learning and opening their minds to new ideas
Anyways, I have a question. I’m on a budget and I workout in the morning, approx. 1 hour after I get up. The only supplements I can really afford are whey isolate and creatine. Thats it. How could I apply this amino pulsing into my schedule? After my workout I have to be at school in basically an hour and a half.
Coach, I remember reading once from you that your wife is/was a successful bodybuilder? Is she using the new pulse protocol and if so how have her results compared relative your male guinea pigs?
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Ad B wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
deshawn wrote:
Hello:
Thib, Thanks for all your valuable info. One question though I am on a limmited budget and was wondering what would be the best approach with just bcaa’s, leucine and whey isolate protein. Thanks for all your help.
0.2g of BCAAs per pound 45 minutes before workout
5-7g leucine 20 minutes before workout
25g whey isolate and 20-30g of a fast-absorbed carb 10 minutes before workout
25g whey isolate and 5-7g of leucine during the workout (finishing pretty much with the end of the workout)
50g whey 15 minutes after the workout
5-7g leucine 80 minutes after the workout
50g whey 90 minutes after the workout
Coach, would adding caffeine(200mg) and tyrosine(2g) to the BCAA’s be ok. Where would be a good place to put creatine?
Regards
Caffeine and tyrosine are okay from time to time. But as with most stimulants, I don’t like when they are used on a regular basis.
Creatine is best taken pre and post-workout. [/quote]
Thankyou for your reply.
where would you take creatine within the protocol above, with bcaa’s and then 15mins after with 50g whey?
I find this new idea of amino pulsing very interesting. My question is, according to some of your example plans you have laid out the macronutrient and overall energy intake seems low to me for someone trying to gain muscle. I tend to determine my diet based on macronutrients rather than overall calories, but don’t you need a caloric surplus for optimal growth, unless of course the amino pulsing helps stimulate growth without being in a surplus, if you could elaborate It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time.
I also mentioned in a previous post that this is just the basic structure. Food is added to the solid meal depending on how the body is reacting (gaining/losing weight).
If one were to eat every 2-3 hours to maintain a caloric surplus, where does pulsing fit in? Looking at the daily intake example you posted earlier, it seems like pulsing is done when amino acids are low, which I would think is at least 2 hours after eating. Would I just have to resort to eating 3-4 meals a day (and eat a bunch of calorie-dense things to get in the needed calories)?
Pulsing actually decreases the needs for protein because the pulse itself stimulate anabolism. So when you use the pulsing strategy you do not need to have protein every 2 hours. Maintaining a steady level of blood amino acids is an outdated theory IMHO. In the past I have consumed as much as 500-600g of protein per day; with the pulsing strategy I might be getting 250, sometimes 300 a day and I’m growing faster than ever in my life.
Steady blood AA and huge protein amounts will work well for drug-enhanced individuals. Why? Because they are elevating protein synthesis via another pathway than hyperaminoacidemia: the artificial increase in testosterone (or anabolic steroids). The natural trainee will benefit much more from the pulsing approach because each pulse creates an anabolic response whereas the drug-enhanced individual is always anabolic due to the drug.
In a natural individual, constant blood AA levels actually lead to protein synthesis blackout, or a decrease in protein synthesis. That leads to less muscle being built. For the drug-enhanced bodybuilder it is not such a big problem because the anabolic drugs can somewhat compensate for that effect (although it is my opinion that even enhanced bodybuilders would benefit from pulsing).
It has been shown that increasing protein intake does lead to greater protein synthesis over the short term. However if the levels are always kept super high, the body adapts to that intake by increasing protein oxidation (basically wasting protein). So over time, as you consume a ton of protein on a constant basis you will build an habituation to the protein and it will lose its muscle-building properties.
You can still eat frequent meals with the pulsing strategy, just make these meals either carbs or fat with low protein levels. Get your protein intake from the pulse and the 3 main meals and add calories as needed for growth throughout the day.[/quote]
This is exactly why you deserve your own subsection. The amount of information you pour out to us is insane! Thanks a lot, coach!
[quote]Ad B wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Ad B wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
deshawn wrote:
Hello:
Thib, Thanks for all your valuable info. One question though I am on a limmited budget and was wondering what would be the best approach with just bcaa’s, leucine and whey isolate protein. Thanks for all your help.
0.2g of BCAAs per pound 45 minutes before workout
5-7g leucine 20 minutes before workout
25g whey isolate and 20-30g of a fast-absorbed carb 10 minutes before workout
25g whey isolate and 5-7g of leucine during the workout (finishing pretty much with the end of the workout)
50g whey 15 minutes after the workout
5-7g leucine 80 minutes after the workout
50g whey 90 minutes after the workout
Coach, would adding caffeine(200mg) and tyrosine(2g) to the BCAA’s be ok. Where would be a good place to put creatine?
Regards
Caffeine and tyrosine are okay from time to time. But as with most stimulants, I don’t like when they are used on a regular basis.
Creatine is best taken pre and post-workout.
Thankyou for your reply.
where would you take creatine within the protocol above, with bcaa’s and then 15mins after with 50g whey?[/quote]
[quote]cobrakai wrote:
Coach, I remember reading once from you that your wife is/was a successful bodybuilder? Is she using the new pulse protocol and if so how have her results compared relative your male guinea pigs?[/quote]
No, you are talking about my ex-girlfriend. We stop seeing each other 3 years ago. My wife, although in good shape, is not a bodybuilder and prefers rollerblading to weightlifting…
[quote]forbes wrote:
Anyways, I have a question. I’m on a budget and I workout in the morning, approx. 1 hour after I get up. The only supplements I can really afford are whey isolate and creatine. Thats it. How could I apply this amino pulsing into my schedule? After my workout I have to be at school in basically an hour and a half.
Thank you :)[/quote]
To be honest it will be hard to get the most benefits from para-workout pulse feeding with only whey.
For your breakfast and para-workout you can try this:
Upon waking up: Pulse with 1 scoop whey isolate
30 minutes before your workout: 1 scoop whey + 2 pieces of fruit
10-15 minutes before your workout: 1 scoop whey + 50-75g of simple carbs (could be a carbo powder or even table sugar if you are really strapped for cash) and 5g creatine
During your workout: 1 scoop of whey very diluted, drink throughout the workout
60 minutes after your workout has ended: 1-2 scoops of whey plus 5g creatine
Not ideal by any means, but the best you can do with what you have.
CT- So, based on this new information/study, going more than 3 hours between meals, isn’t as damaging as once thought, and may have been somewhat benificial. Since you’d be letting your aminos clear out before the next meal.
I workout at 12 and wake up at 6, I pulse when waking and have my first meal by 6:30 per your recommendation, but I am having a hard time figuring whether I should pulse again before my workout or if I should have a solid meal. Any help with this conundrum would be greatly appreciated.
All this info is exciting. Many thanks in advance.
How would you go about using Amino Pulsing with minimal carbohydrates during the day?
Is AA pulsing still better than your Refined Physique Transformation protocol if you’ve got a lot of fat(15-20%) to lose first?
Thanks again.
[/quote]
I asked practically the same question in the “Questions About Fat Loss” thread yesterday with no response as of right now. I’ll let you know if I get a response.
