It appears that a lot of dieters stick to the “don’t mix carbs and fat” technique. If one were to follow that kind of plan (such as the one detailed in your carb-cycling outline), I am a little concerned about the effect that the insulin spikes from amino pulsing would have on your fat intake.
My understanding behind the concept of not mixing carbs and fat is that carbohydrates will spike your insulin levels, putting your body in a mode where the storage of nutrients is stored; since fats are rather dense in calories, your dietary fats are more likely to stored within your fat cells. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Now, if someone were to do the amino pulsing method via a hydrolized protein (or even spiking meals with leucine), you would be increasing your insulin levels, a then eating a meal with protein and fat. This would put you in the same situation as mixing carbs and fat.
Would it be realistic to say that you should not use this method with a lower carb, higher fat diet?
I look forward to all your comments, and thanks in advance for your time.
Thib, Thanks for all your valuable info. One question though I am on a limmited budget and was wondering what would be the best approach with just bcaa’s, leucine and whey isolate protein. Thanks for all your help.
0.2g of BCAAs per pound 45 minutes before workout
5-7g leucine 20 minutes before workout
25g whey isolate and 20-30g of a fast-absorbed carb 10 minutes before workout
25g whey isolate and 5-7g of leucine during the workout (finishing pretty much with the end of the workout)
50g whey 15 minutes after the workout
5-7g leucine 80 minutes after the workout
50g whey 90 minutes after the workout[/quote]
Coach, is this still CT approved, and if so how would you work Biotest’s CH supplement (which I know is not only going to be CH) into it?
[quote]Roundhead wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
deshawn wrote:
Hello:
Thib, Thanks for all your valuable info. One question though I am on a limmited budget and was wondering what would be the best approach with just bcaa’s, leucine and whey isolate protein. Thanks for all your help.
0.2g of BCAAs per pound 45 minutes before workout
5-7g leucine 20 minutes before workout
25g whey isolate and 20-30g of a fast-absorbed carb 10 minutes before workout
25g whey isolate and 5-7g of leucine during the workout (finishing pretty much with the end of the workout)
50g whey 15 minutes after the workout
5-7g leucine 80 minutes after the workout
50g whey 90 minutes after the workout
Coach, is this still CT approved, and if so how would you work Biotest’s CH supplement (which I know is not only going to be CH) into it?[/quote]
I never approved that, or rather mentioned that it was to be optimal. I think that it will work better than nothing, but is far from being as effective as the real protocol.
I was under the impression that pulses were to be with 10-12 grams of CH.
You now advocate 22 grams? (ie one scoop of this MAG-10 protein)[/quote]
Third grade reading comprehension!
I said that I use MAG-10 protein this way:
I mix 6 scoops of it and drink it through the day… a glass with meals, a glass here and there between meals, etc. I DO NOT HAVE a specific schedule… I’m not gonna freak out because I must have my pulse at exactly 3:21pm… anybody who is so anal with timing needs to see a psychiatrist.
So I have around 130g of protein in there and probably drink 8-10 times during the day.
The other time I mentionned CHY was as part of the peri-workout protocol. MAG-10 protein is consumed after the workout to ‘ride the anabolic wave’ of the session, which is why we want more protein at this time: the goal is not so much to pulse but to send as much of the fastest absorbed protein possible to the muscle tissue.
CT, would you use beta-alanine, in addition to what can be found in Surge Workout Fuel, in your protocol? If so, what’s the best time to consume it? Is it optimal to have it with CHY with leucine and creatine DURING the workout?
[quote]juverulez wrote:
CT, would you use beta-alanine, in addition to what can be found in Surge Workout Fuel, in your protocol? If so, what’s the best time to consume it? Is it optimal to have it with CHY with leucine and creatine DURING the workout?[/quote]
The supplements included in the protocol (RECOVERY, WORKOUT FUEL, ANACONDA) does provide Beta-alanine. Not all of them (can’t reveal too many secrets) but it is in there and thus included in the protocol.
IF YOU FOLLOW THE PROTOCOL EXACTLY AS STATE IN THE PROTOCOL THREAD YOU WILL NOT NEED TO ADD ANYTHING. EVERYTHING WORTH USING IN ALREADY IN THERE.
Which is also why you can’t copy the protocol with generic supplements.
[quote]xilinx wrote:
Interesting; I’ve found conflicting information regarding pre-preparing of protein drinks. Do you have it “from authority” that it does not degrade?[/quote]
The protein itself is fine. Some drinks containing other ingredients (creatine for example) should not be mixed too much in advance.
I was wondering if you had been experimenting at all with this protocol in search of the “holy grail” (i.e. simultaneous muscle gain / fat loss) … or how this has evolved into the “Viking + pulse” nutritional program and what has been you observations in early “testing”.
Thanks.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
I’m actually thinking about testing this theory along with the efficacy of the para-workout nutrition protocol. How?
I would only consume one meal a day plus a large para-workout protocol as my only nutrition during the day.
The para-workout nutrition protocol would be:
45: 2 FINiBARS
30: 4 scoops WORKOUT FUEL
15: 4 scoops SURGE RECOVERY
DURING WORKOUT: 4 scoops ANACONDA
And my meal would be something that would give me around 75g of protein, 50g of fat and minimal carbs for a total of 750 calories.
On top of that I would have 4 casein hydrolysate pulses for a total of roughly 70g of protein.
So my daily total would be:
Carbs: 250g
Protein: 315g
Fat: 50-60g
Calories: around 2800
As you can see this is actually a significant caloric deficit for me. My theory is that because of the effectiveness of the para-workout protocol and the pulsing I will actually be able to add muscle while losing fat.[/quote]
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
xilinx wrote:
Interesting; I’ve found conflicting information regarding pre-preparing of protein drinks. Do you have it “from authority” that it does not degrade?
The protein itself is fine. Some drinks containing other ingredients (creatine for example) should not be mixed too much in advance.[/quote]
And what about to mix the Leucine in advance?
thanks
Hey Thibs, I’ve been reading a lot about amino pulsing here in this forum and was trying to devise my own plan. I will be beginning a GVT protocol with 10x6 instead of 10x10. I wondering if this is a good protocol for amino pulsing.
This is my meal plan which I’m hoping to begin next week:
6:00 - 20g CH
6:30 - Omelette with 3 eggs, 1cup whites, onions, tomato, cheese and DHA
8:30 - 20g Whey Hydro
9:00 - Milk, Oats, Blueberries, DHA, Multi
11:30- BCAA’s 30g
12:00- 20g CH, 5g Creatine, 7g Beta-alanine
12:30- Surge Recovery During WO
1:30- 70g Vitargo, 20g CH
5:00- Pasta, Beef, Lettuce, Olive Oil or Beef Chili
8:00- Chicken, Sweet Potato, Broccoli, Coconut Oil
10:00- Sleep
Am I overdoing the carbs? I want to put a significant amount of mass in about a month, but I also don’t want to gain too much excess fat. I was also wondering if its advisable to take insulin sensitizing supplements like ALA or Corosolic Acid. Since the protein pulses stimulate insulin release I was thinking it would be better to take this alongside the meal plan. Also is there a time limit you recommend for this amino pulsing regiment, like no more than 6 weeks at a time? Thanks for any help you can provide.
I want to implement a low protein day (after reading this thread!)into my week, but am not really confident as to how to go about it.
At the moment I use the Temporal Nutrition approach to carbs on my off days (I have around 100gms of total carbs over the first two meals) On workout days I have around 50gms carbs with brekky then follow your para-workout protocol (albeit with an alternative CHY and no Anaconda) later in the day when I train (which is working great so far btw!..love that SurgeWF!)
If my goal is to go from my current 6’2, 218pounds @ 12% BF to 220 @ 10% or under BF, do I make it a sort of lower calorie day as well?, or do I stick to some sort of formula with grams of carbs, protein, good fats per pound of bodyweight? Again I’m unsure.
Next, where do I position ‘the day’ in relation to my workout schedule? For example: the day before the most CNS taxing workout or after? I have no idea on this…
At present I am training EDT style, 4 main workouts per week on average.
Mon - Lower body
Wed - Upper body
Fri - Lower body
Sun - Upper body
I’m training ‘heavy’ by EDT standards, varying my rep schemes to max 6 or 7 reps per set, and as low as 2 reps per set. Except for lots of direct calf work, it’s all compound movements - ie deads, frontsquats, lunges, dips, chins, benches, rows etc.
I wanted to keep this post brief, so I hope I have included enough info to help.
Thanks so much for making yourself accessible to guys like me Coach!
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Davinci.v2 wrote:
zraw wrote:
Davinci.v2 wrote:
Shamandalie wrote:
What are the best times to pulse if one always works out first thing in the morning so day starts with peri-workout protocol?
Mine does. Personally I wake up at 5am, eat 1 finibar. 6am I have 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel, 6:15am 2 scoops Surge Recovery, 6:30am I lift and sip on 2 scoops of casein hydrolysate, then I pulse again 1.5 hours after my workout has ended…usually with 2 scoops whey isolate with 5 grams leucine and a Finibar to fill me up.
Why arent u pulsing with casein hydro?
I have too much leucine and whey isolate (always buy in 15 pound bulk) left over to not finish it off.
Yeah, but it wont work…
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If it doesnt work as a pulse, what does happen? So the anabolic effects are less, but would it be better to use a slow absorbing protein instead, if you can’t pulse?
[quote]Gymjunkie wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
gary101 wrote:
hi coach,
For someone who trains 3 hours after they wake up (8am-9am), how would organize your para-workout nutrition and/or your protein/amino pulsing ? would you do both ? and which would come first ?
6"1 230lbs @ 12% body fat trying to go down to 8-9%
thanks CT for the info im excited to try this protocol (at least the pulsing anyways) i still need to get my hands on the para-workout protocol when i have the sufficient funds!
[quote]Capjuniper wrote:
Hey, CT
Is it possible too pulse with CH tablets/caps, 1 serv is 12 tablets which has 5g of CH.
recommendation is 1-2 servings
thanks
[/quote]
You need at least 12g per pulse. At 4-5 pulse per day it would get WAY too expensive.
