Questions About Protein/Amino Pulsing

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
NewDamage wrote:
Quick question CT -

Would a fortified essential amino acid blend be suitable for pulsing? The AA profile is as follows:
Serving Size: 10gy
L-Leucine: 4000mg
L-Isoleucine: 1000mg
L-Valine: 1000mg
L-Lysine: 1000mg
L-Phenylalanine: 1000mg
L-Histidine: 1000mg
L-Threonine: 750mg
L-Methionine: 250mg

I’ve read that the di and tri peptides found in hydrolyzed whey/casein are even faster than free form aminos, but am hoping that free form aminos are still fast enough to elicit a state of quick hyperaminoacidemia.

Many thanks for all the info you provide.

No they are not. Not fast enough, but especally they don’t have all the amino acids included.[/quote]

surely free form amino acids are faster than peptides?

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[quote]Atlas37 wrote:
Coach, for about a year now I have had difficulty drinking my Metabolic Drive shakes. Not because of taste, but because it feels like they are stuck half way down my chest and this feeling lasts for a couple of hours and is really unpleasant.

I tried to use the HCL supplement to remedy this but didn’t really get any results. It could be that I didn’t use it for long encough, but I thought I would ask if you had any other recommendations. My wife says it is GERD and I am just getting old and need to accept it(I’m 41). Thank you in advance.[/quote]

That sounds more like a medical issue. I would contact a ear/nose/throat specialist.

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[quote]Rich Hand wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
NewDamage wrote:
Quick question CT -

Would a fortified essential amino acid blend be suitable for pulsing? The AA profile is as follows:
Serving Size: 10gy
L-Leucine: 4000mg
L-Isoleucine: 1000mg
L-Valine: 1000mg
L-Lysine: 1000mg
L-Phenylalanine: 1000mg
L-Histidine: 1000mg
L-Threonine: 750mg
L-Methionine: 250mg

I’ve read that the di and tri peptides found in hydrolyzed whey/casein are even faster than free form aminos, but am hoping that free form aminos are still fast enough to elicit a state of quick hyperaminoacidemia.

Many thanks for all the info you provide.

No they are not. Not fast enough, but especally they don’t have all the amino acids included.

surely free form amino acids are faster than peptides?[/quote]

Normally they are. But for some odd reason they are slower than casein hydrolysate

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[quote]Atlas37 wrote:
Coach, for about a year now I have had difficulty drinking my Metabolic Drive shakes. Not because of taste, but because it feels like they are stuck half way down my chest and this feeling lasts for a couple of hours and is really unpleasant. I tried to use the HCL supplement to remedy this but didn’t really get any results. It could be that I didn’t use it for long encough, but I thought I would ask if you had any other recommendations. My wife says it is GERD and I am just getting old and need to accept it(I’m 41). Thank you in advance.[/quote]

I would let go this fear brother, it is just holding you in a place of not allowing for good things to happen
Please meditate and see what happens :)))))))

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To rkelly who wrote
“That sounds more like a medical issue. I would contact a ear/nose/throat specialist.”
The only time I get this feeling is when I drink a protein shake. I have not noticed it with any other food and I would expect that a Dr is just going to tell me to avoid protein shakes. That is fine and I have for the past 7months but they are really convenient and keep me from eating crap a lot of time.

To stefanogym who wrote
“I would let go this fear brother, it is just holding you in a place of not allowing for good things to happen
Please meditate and see what happens :)))))))”
I don’t really know what you think I am afraid of. It is not that I am getting old, my wife just likes to give me a hard time because all of my training partners in submission grappling are still in their 20’s. But with regard to your suggestion to meditate more you are probably right about that overall but that could probably be said that all of us should take more time for quiet introspection.

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CT,

I’m interested in using this pulsing method for bodyfat loss. My question is regarding energy system training. I am considering adding in some fasted cardio. My question is, would it be beneficial to pulse pre or post energy systems work. I will be switching off 1 day high intensity, 1 day low. Thanks for all your help.

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Rich Hand wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
NewDamage wrote:
Quick question CT -

Would a fortified essential amino acid blend be suitable for pulsing? The AA profile is as follows:
Serving Size: 10gy
L-Leucine: 4000mg
L-Isoleucine: 1000mg
L-Valine: 1000mg
L-Lysine: 1000mg
L-Phenylalanine: 1000mg
L-Histidine: 1000mg
L-Threonine: 750mg
L-Methionine: 250mg

I’ve read that the di and tri peptides found in hydrolyzed whey/casein are even faster than free form aminos, but am hoping that free form aminos are still fast enough to elicit a state of quick hyperaminoacidemia.

Many thanks for all the info you provide.

No they are not. Not fast enough, but especally they don’t have all the amino acids included.

surely free form amino acids are faster than peptides?

Normally they are. But for some odd reason they are slower than casein hydrolysate
[/quote]

Well, it was found 4 decades ago that a given quantity of glycine was absorbed faster when administered orally as di- or tripeptide than in the free form.
Other experiments with peptides of diffrent amino acids showed the same results.
So di- and tripeptides indeed can be absorbed faster than free form amino acids.

It is not clear yet, why casein hydroliste is faster than other forms of hydrolized proteins, free form amino acid solutions or, e.g. glycine-leucine or glycyl-glycine dipepiteds.

It has been argued that partially hydrollized proteins of type X (e.g. casein) might have favourable fractions of amino acids and short peptides in terms of competition for carriers (Na-dependent aa transporters for aminos, PepT1 for peptides, respectively) over other partially hydrolized proteins and over free amino acid solutions.

E.g., if you feed someone with free form Gly and Leu (or other combinations of aa) the uptake of at least one of the two amino acids will be slower than with free form Leu and Gly AND the peptide Gly-Leu. There seems to be no or little competition between the two uptake mechanisms.

pHCY might have just optimal combinations of specific di- and tripeptides in addition to the free amino acids.

For FULLY hydrolized casein, I wouldn’t see a reason to be absorbed faster than any other fully hydrolized complete protein, since in both cases it wuold basically just be free form aa solutions.

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[quote]Atlas37 wrote:
To rkelly who wrote
“That sounds more like a medical issue. I would contact a ear/nose/throat specialist.”
The only time I get this feeling is when I drink a protein shake. I have not noticed it with any other food and I would expect that a Dr is just going to tell me to avoid protein shakes. That is fine and I have for the past 7months but they are really convenient and keep me from eating crap a lot of time.

To stefanogym who wrote
“I would let go this fear brother, it is just holding you in a place of not allowing for good things to happen
Please meditate and see what happens :)))))))”
I don’t really know what you think I am afraid of. It is not that I am getting old, my wife just likes to give me a hard time because all of my training partners in submission grappling are still in their 20’s. But with regard to your suggestion to meditate more you are probably right about that overall but that could probably be said that all of us should take more time for quiet introspection.[/quote]

Infact brother, we all have to, it is PARAMOUNT to watch inside ourselves and discover the true meaning of life.

I advise it to everyone, also considering that simply making a training for strength will push us out of balance, it is a typically yang activity and need to be rebalanced with some water yin element to get the perfect picture, so meditation is paramount in my opinion.

In your case a certain worry was trasparent in the post so I had to help you out even if not requested.

If you are aware of the universal law of attraction you know that to succeed in anything you do you need to raise your vibration , and this is possible choosing costantly better feeling thoughts or also not thinking at all (here we have the meditation, that helps you not thinking, so raising vibration just because of that)

In conclusion, who cares what your wife thinks or other people think??? you create with your own thoughts, so it is paramount to reprogram our minds so to think automomously and be the real owner of our lifes!!!

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So from what I gather from this pulse theory… Mostly everyone is being stupid by eating 6-8 meals per day, and you can make faster gains by eating 3 meals per day, when they are spaced 5-6 hours apart?

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Could someone post the original link of where I can find all the info on Protein pusling and para-workout nutrition?

I have been looking for it for days and haven’t been able to find it.

And I also have a question:

On which day of the week should the low protein day be at? And how much protein should be consumed?

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[quote]Iron_pump wrote:
So from what I gather from this pulse theory… Mostly everyone is being stupid by eating 6-8 meals per day, and you can make faster gains by eating 3 meals per day, when they are spaced 5-6 hours apart?[/quote]

You can eat 15 minutes after pulsing so there is no need for a reduction of meals.

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[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
Iron_pump wrote:
So from what I gather from this pulse theory… Mostly everyone is being stupid by eating 6-8 meals per day, and you can make faster gains by eating 3 meals per day, when they are spaced 5-6 hours apart?

You can eat 15 minutes after pulsing so there is no need for a reduction of meals.
[/quote]

This is true, however you must let amino acid levels fall to a low enough level before pulsing again in order to have any additional benefits. If you are eating too often and keeping amino acids elevated too high constantly then pulsing will offer no additional benefit because you need to go from a state of amino acid depletion/low level (how low one needs to be may be up for debate if you read some of the things DH has posted in these threads) to a state of hyperaminoacidemia/high level within a short amount of time to trigger protein synthesis, correct me if I’m wrong.

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Hey I was wondering what the best casein hydrolysate product is?

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

I’m actually thinking about testing this theory along with the efficacy of the para-workout nutrition protocol. How?

I would only consume one meal a day plus a large para-workout protocol as my only nutrition during the day.

The para-workout nutrition protocol would be:

  • 45: 2 FINiBARS
  • 30: 4 scoops WORKOUT FUEL
  • 15: 4 scoops SURGE RECOVERY
    DURING WORKOUT: 4 scoops ANACONDA

This would give me approximately:

Carbs: 250g
Protein: 170g
Fat: minimal
Calories: roughly 1700

And my meal would be something that would give me around 75g of protein, 50g of fat and minimal carbs for a total of 750 calories.

On top of that I would have 4 casein hydrolysate pulses for a total of roughly 70g of protein.

So my daily total would be:

Carbs: 250g
Protein: 315g
Fat: 50-60g
Calories: around 2800

As you can see this is actually a significant caloric deficit for me. My theory is that because of the effectiveness of the para-workout protocol and the pulsing I will actually be able to add muscle while losing fat.[/quote]

That looks good Chris, when will you be starting that protocol ? Also will I be using the pulses with meals myself when I have access to the CH ??

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[quote]DaFreak wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

I’m actually thinking about testing this theory along with the efficacy of the para-workout nutrition protocol. How?

I would only consume one meal a day plus a large para-workout protocol as my only nutrition during the day.

The para-workout nutrition protocol would be:

  • 45: 2 FINiBARS
  • 30: 4 scoops WORKOUT FUEL
  • 15: 4 scoops SURGE RECOVERY
    DURING WORKOUT: 4 scoops ANACONDA

This would give me approximately:

Carbs: 250g
Protein: 170g
Fat: minimal
Calories: roughly 1700

And my meal would be something that would give me around 75g of protein, 50g of fat and minimal carbs for a total of 750 calories.

On top of that I would have 4 casein hydrolysate pulses for a total of roughly 70g of protein.

So my daily total would be:

Carbs: 250g
Protein: 315g
Fat: 50-60g
Calories: around 2800

As you can see this is actually a significant caloric deficit for me. My theory is that because of the effectiveness of the para-workout protocol and the pulsing I will actually be able to add muscle while losing fat.

That looks good Chris, when will you be starting that protocol ? Also will I be using the pulses with meals myself when I have access to the CH ??[/quote]

Sadly I might start the protocol when we are all in Colorado. But I might change it to the Viking’s diet (a new one I’ve been working on) + the pulse.

Yes, Keven and you will have access to CH to do the pulsing.

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
DaFreak wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

I’m actually thinking about testing this theory along with the efficacy of the para-workout nutrition protocol. How?

I would only consume one meal a day plus a large para-workout protocol as my only nutrition during the day.

The para-workout nutrition protocol would be:

  • 45: 2 FINiBARS
  • 30: 4 scoops WORKOUT FUEL
  • 15: 4 scoops SURGE RECOVERY
    DURING WORKOUT: 4 scoops ANACONDA

This would give me approximately:

Carbs: 250g
Protein: 170g
Fat: minimal
Calories: roughly 1700

And my meal would be something that would give me around 75g of protein, 50g of fat and minimal carbs for a total of 750 calories.

On top of that I would have 4 casein hydrolysate pulses for a total of roughly 70g of protein.

So my daily total would be:

Carbs: 250g
Protein: 315g
Fat: 50-60g
Calories: around 2800

As you can see this is actually a significant caloric deficit for me. My theory is that because of the effectiveness of the para-workout protocol and the pulsing I will actually be able to add muscle while losing fat.

That looks good Chris, when will you be starting that protocol ? Also will I be using the pulses with meals myself when I have access to the CH ??

Sadly I might start the protocol when we are all in Colorado. But I might change it to the Viking’s diet (a new one I’ve been working on) + the pulse.

Yes, Keven and you will have access to CH to do the pulsing.[/quote]

Viking’s diet!! I already like the name haha, you tell me about it when we see each other next week.

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By the way I’m up to 225 right now, I should gain a good 10 pounds more when I incorporate Anaconda back with CH pulses - I ran out of Anaconda 10 days ago, seriously I went through all my stuff looking for only ONE container to finish the week… no bull!!

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[quote]DaFreak wrote:
By the way I’m up to 225 right now, I should gain a good 10 pounds more when I incorporate Anaconda back with CH pulses - I ran out of Anaconda 10 days ago, seriously I went through all my stuff looking for only ONE container to finish the week… no bull!![/quote]

Hello Sebastian!: good to see you around.

Good luck with your upcoming show!

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[quote]MEYMZ wrote:
DaFreak wrote:
By the way I’m up to 225 right now, I should gain a good 10 pounds more when I incorporate Anaconda back with CH pulses - I ran out of Anaconda 10 days ago, seriously I went through all my stuff looking for only ONE container to finish the week… no bull!!

Hello Sebastian!: good to see you around.

Good luck with your upcoming show![/quote]

Thanks!! It’s done though, I finished 3rd in the light heavyweight division at the Quebec Provincials.

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[quote]DaFreak wrote:
MEYMZ wrote:
DaFreak wrote:
By the way I’m up to 225 right now, I should gain a good 10 pounds more when I incorporate Anaconda back with CH pulses - I ran out of Anaconda 10 days ago, seriously I went through all my stuff looking for only ONE container to finish the week… no bull!!

Hello Sebastian!: good to see you around.

Good luck with your upcoming show!

Thanks!! It’s done though, I finished 3rd in the light heavyweight division at the Quebec Provincials.[/quote]

Yeah but I mean you have another like in 3 weeks right? You gotta take advantage of pulsing, paraworkout nutrition and I, BODYBUILDER ;)!!!