Coach Thibaudeau,
Do you see any problem with combining the leucine and CHY into a single pulse shake:
5g leucine + 15g CHY, 20 minutes later meal
or…
is it best to keep them separate
5g leucine, 5-10 minutes later 15g CHY, 15 minutes later meal
[quote]Adam Schussler wrote:
Coach Thibaudeau,
Do you see any problem with combining the leucine and CHY into a single pulse shake:
5g leucine + 15g CHY, 20 minutes later meal
or…
is it best to keep them separate
5g leucine, 5-10 minutes later 15g CHY, 15 minutes later meal [/quote]
I wouldn’t see any problem no. I still think that taking leucine first would be slightly superior, but maybe not to a really significant extent.
[quote]michell wrote:
Coach
On non training days following pulses and without carbs, do I have to be aware of the source of protein? of solid meals? Or I can use meats plus fats except first meal that it would be whites.
Thanks
[/quote]
It depends on your goal. If you are in a fat loss phase I’d keep the protein source as lean as possible. During a mass gaining phase it isn’t as important.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
I talked to Tim Patterson and it is very likely that Biotest will put out its own casein hydrolysate product very soon.
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Would you say Anaconda is overkill for pulsing??
Anaconda for para workout, casein hydrolysate for pulsing?
[quote]redgladiator wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
I talked to Tim Patterson and it is very likely that Biotest will put out its own casein hydrolysate product very soon.
Would you say Anaconda is overkill for pulsing??
Anaconda for para workout, casein hydrolysate for pulsing?[/quote]
Anaconda IS overkill for pulsing simply because there is a ton of stuff in there that is not needed for that purpose. It works, and works well for pulsing, but it is too costly for that purpose.
I’ve used it for that purpose because there is no CH product out there that satisfies me. However that will change shortly.
Hi coach.
I hope I’ve understood everything right and I was able to create my pulse plan correct although I use whey isolate, rather than some kind of hydrolysate.
The problem is that here where I live there isn’t a single product that contains mostly hydrolysate and everything here is too expensive. Just for an example I managed to find just 1 single product that is just pure leucine and it costs 60$ for 60servings of 5g leucine (compare that to the 3 times cheaper Biotest’s leucine for 90 servings!).
I’ll be more than happy if you could comment it.
I’m 22 years old, 187cm tall and 80kg in weight.
Best regards!
P.S. - After all the stuff I managed to read about amino pulsing I haven’t read anything about the kcal intake. You aren’t calculating your calories and actually you don’t care much. Does this mean that there is not need to bulk, and one can gain a lot of muscle and burn fat at the same time?
P.S.2 - I’ll be training round 6PM.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
The protocol would be fine, FINiBAR contains whey hydrolysate which is fast absorbed and will create a protein pulse that will get you out of that catabolic state.
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It’s not listed in the ingredients, could it be that it’s only in the chocolate version?
Edit: Come to think of it, Palatinose is not listed either.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Professor Chaos wrote:
It sounds like you’re using pulsing the way folks use leucine? ie to spark anabolism before a meal?
Exactly! However CH seems to work even better since it provides you with some raw material to take advantage of the enhanced anabolic state. CH also seems to speed up metabolism.
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Leucine is prefered over BCAA because it the other amino acids compete with the leucine, now we are going backwards and adding more amino acids? Sorry I’m very slow when it comes to things like this, I’m extremely confused 
Coach, I know this is going to sound like a horribly random question, but do you know if there have been any studies on the effects of protein pulsing on wound repair? Since the hyperaminoacidemia may decrease the amount of time it takes for a wound to heal by allowing for the proteins in the tissue to be regenerated faster.
Just curious. 
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Quadforce wrote:
Christian, if this is not too much to ask for, what does your current diet look like on workout days?
I normally train at 3:30pm…
Wake up at 6am: 1 scoop Anaconda
6:30: 1 FINiBAR
9:00: 1 scoop Anaconda
9:30: 300-400g of fruits
12:00: Low-fat fish (tilapia, sole) 200-300g
14:45: 2 FINiBARS
15:00: 2 scoops workout fuel
15:15: 2 scoop SURGE RECOVERY
15:30 - 17:00 (during workout): 2 scoops Anaconda
18:00: 1-2 scoops whey
18:30: 200-300g red meat, green veggies, fish oil
21:00: 200-300g chicken, green veggies, fish oil
Before bed: Low-carbs Metabolic Drive (2 scoops)[/quote]
Would it be even better to use 20g casein hydrolysate 18:00 instead of 1-2 scoops whey?
Would it be better to use a combination of simple carbs and 20g of casein hydrolysate 15minutes pre workout instead of SURGE RECOVERY?
CT,
if one cannot get casein hydrolysate, would it be beneficial to use 1 scoop Surge Recovery for a protein pulse in the morning, 15 min or so before breakfast?.. or would that be a waste of Surge Recovery because of all of the additional ingredients?
Thanks!
[quote]holguint123 wrote:
Coach, I know this is going to sound like a horribly random question, but do you know if there have been any studies on the effects of protein pulsing on wound repair? Since the hyperaminoacidemia may decrease the amount of time it takes for a wound to heal by allowing for the proteins in the tissue to be regenerated faster.
Just curious. :D[/quote]
I think there actually was one study on the effects protein cycling on wound healing, i.e. third-degree burns. It was in “Clinical Nutrition”, as far as I remember. I can’t find it on Pubmed, though. Maybe you’ll find it with a little internet search…
Most have been back in the 90s.
[quote]ParagonA wrote:
holguint123 wrote:
Coach, I know this is going to sound like a horribly random question, but do you know if there have been any studies on the effects of protein pulsing on wound repair? Since the hyperaminoacidemia may decrease the amount of time it takes for a wound to heal by allowing for the proteins in the tissue to be regenerated faster.
Just curious.
I think there actually was one study on the effects protein cycling on wound healing, i.e. third-degree burns. It was in “Clinical Nutrition”, as far as I remember. I can’t find it on Pubmed, though. Maybe you’ll find it with a little internet search…
Most have been back in the 90s.
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“on the effects OF protein cacling”… sorry…
It’s not exactely the same as the protein pulsing described here, but goes in the same direction, though…
Hi Coach
I was just wondering if the supplement ALA, alpha lipoic acid, could be used for amino pulsing? From what I’ve learned lipoic acid raises insulin sensitivity, making transport of nutrients to the muscles more efficient. Also, during intens training, the body releases adrenal hormones, which inhibits the release of insulin. Please correct me if I’m wrong, but would’nt consuming ALA during training be optimal for amino pulsing?
Oh yeah, and which is better? Whey Hydrosylate or Whey Isolate?
Quick question CT -
Would a fortified essential amino acid blend be suitable for pulsing? The AA profile is as follows:
Serving Size: 10g
L-Leucine: 4000mg
L-Isoleucine: 1000mg
L-Valine: 1000mg
L-Lysine: 1000mg
L-Phenylalanine: 1000mg
L-Histidine: 1000mg
L-Threonine: 750mg
L-Methionine: 250mg
I’ve read that the di and tri peptides found in hydrolyzed whey/casein are even faster than free form aminos, but am hoping that free form aminos are still fast enough to elicit a state of quick hyperaminoacidemia.
Many thanks for all the info you provide.
Hi Coach Thib,
Sorry if has been answred on one of three forums, have checked but couldnt see.
Can after pulsing with CH 15mins later instead of a solid protein source can have another shake consiting of 30-40 grams of micellar,WPC,WPI etc plus veges berries, oats blened together.
what is condsidered an easy to digest form of protein apart from egg whites, or white fish etc.
Just checking if below would help
5g L-leucine + 2 g Beta - alanine
10mins later
12g CH
15mins later
Shake consisting of mix 40g micellar/wpc/wpi/calcium caseinate plus oats/linseed/berries/broccoli
thanks,
[quote]adsman02 wrote:
CT,
if one cannot get casein hydrolysate, would it be beneficial to use 1 scoop Surge Recovery for a protein pulse in the morning, 15 min or so before breakfast?.. or would that be a waste of Surge Recovery because of all of the additional ingredients?
Thanks![/quote]
Already been answered, yes. And it is more beneficial due to the insulin response from all the carbs in the surge. So if your trying to gain weight it would be a good idea, if your concerned about your calorie intake then not so much.
[quote]TheDavis wrote:
Hi Coach Thib,
Sorry if has been answred on one of three forums, have checked but couldnt see.
Can after pulsing with CH 15mins later instead of a solid protein source can have another shake consiting of 30-40 grams of micellar,WPC,WPI etc plus veges berries, oats blened together.
what is condsidered an easy to digest form of protein apart from egg whites, or white fish etc.
Just checking if below would help
5g L-leucine + 2 g Beta - alanine
10mins later
12g CH
15mins later
Shake consisting of mix 40g micellar/wpc/wpi/calcium caseinate plus oats/linseed/berries/broccoli
thanks,
[/quote]
If the shake is your meal for the next 2-3 hours, yes. You want to have your meal 15-30 min after your pulse, so probably wait more like 30 min before drinking that shake, mmmk?
[quote]aquinho wrote:
Hi Coach
I was just wondering if the supplement ALA, alpha lipoic acid, could be used for amino pulsing? From what I’ve learned lipoic acid raises insulin sensitivity, making transport of nutrients to the muscles more efficient. Also, during intens training, the body releases adrenal hormones, which inhibits the release of insulin. Please correct me if I’m wrong, but would’nt consuming ALA during training be optimal for amino pulsing?
Oh yeah, and which is better? Whey Hydrosylate or Whey Isolate?[/quote]
You could stack it with your pulses, but alone it won’t do much as a protein pulse. WH is faster acting then WI, so it depends on what your using it for, but for pre-during working Whey Hydrolysate is better, and I think 60 min post workout Whey isolate is acceptable.
[quote]skohcl wrote:
adsman02 wrote:
CT,
if one cannot get casein hydrolysate, would it be beneficial to use 1 scoop Surge Recovery for a protein pulse in the morning, 15 min or so before breakfast?.. or would that be a waste of Surge Recovery because of all of the additional ingredients?
Thanks!
Already been answered, yes. And it is more beneficial due to the insulin response from all the carbs in the surge. So if your trying to gain weight it would be a good idea, if your concerned about your calorie intake then not so much.
TheDavis wrote:
Hi Coach Thib,
Sorry if has been answred on one of three forums, have checked but couldnt see.
Can after pulsing with CH 15mins later instead of a solid protein source can have another shake consiting of 30-40 grams of micellar,WPC,WPI etc plus veges berries, oats blened together.
what is condsidered an easy to digest form of protein apart from egg whites, or white fish etc.
Just checking if below would help
5g L-leucine + 2 g Beta - alanine
10mins later
12g CH
15mins later
Shake consisting of mix 40g micellar/wpc/wpi/calcium caseinate plus oats/linseed/berries/broccoli
thanks,
If the shake is your meal for the next 2-3 hours, yes. You want to have your meal 15-30 min after your pulse, so probably wait more like 30 min before drinking that shake, mmmk?
aquinho wrote:
Hi Coach
I was just wondering if the supplement ALA, alpha lipoic acid, could be used for amino pulsing? From what I’ve learned lipoic acid raises insulin sensitivity, making transport of nutrients to the muscles more efficient. Also, during intens training, the body releases adrenal hormones, which inhibits the release of insulin. Please correct me if I’m wrong, but would’nt consuming ALA during training be optimal for amino pulsing?
Oh yeah, and which is better? Whey Hydrosylate or Whey Isolate?
You could stack it with your pulses, but alone it won’t do much as a protein pulse. WH is faster acting then WI, so it depends on what your using it for, but for pre-during working Whey Hydrolysate is better, and I think 60 min post workout Whey isolate is acceptable.
[/quote]
Yep
[quote]NewDamage wrote:
Quick question CT -
Would a fortified essential amino acid blend be suitable for pulsing? The AA profile is as follows:
Serving Size: 10gy
L-Leucine: 4000mg
L-Isoleucine: 1000mg
L-Valine: 1000mg
L-Lysine: 1000mg
L-Phenylalanine: 1000mg
L-Histidine: 1000mg
L-Threonine: 750mg
L-Methionine: 250mg
I’ve read that the di and tri peptides found in hydrolyzed whey/casein are even faster than free form aminos, but am hoping that free form aminos are still fast enough to elicit a state of quick hyperaminoacidemia.
Many thanks for all the info you provide.[/quote]
No they are not. Not fast enough, but especally they don’t have all the amino acids included.
[quote]redgladiator wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
The protocol would be fine, FINiBAR contains whey hydrolysate which is fast absorbed and will create a protein pulse that will get you out of that catabolic state.
It’s not listed in the ingredients, could it be that it’s only in the chocolate version?
Edit: Come to think of it, Palatinose is not listed either.[/quote]
Palatinose is listed, but it’s generic name is isomaltulose. 