Questions About Protein/Amino Pulsing

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[quote]TRU76 wrote:
With the new info you have has your diet changed, and are you using any leucine?

By the way I really appreciate you taking the time to answer our questions and share your knowledge. I know you are very busy and have better things to do. You have been a HUGE help with me attaining my fitness goals. Thank you very much.

Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Quadforce wrote:
Christian, if this is not too much to ask for, what does your current diet look like on workout days?

I normally train at 3:30pmā€¦

Wake up at 6am: 1 scoop Anaconda
6:30: 1 FINiBAR
9:00: 1 scoop Anaconda
9:30: 300-400g of fruits
12:00: Low-fat fish (tilapia, sole) 200-300g
14:45: 2 FINiBARS
15:00: 2 scoops workout fuel
15:15: 2 scoop SURGE RECOVERY
15:30 - 17:00 (during workout): 2 scoops Anaconda
18:00: 1-2 scoops whey
18:30: 200-300g red meat, green veggies, fish oil
21:00: 200-300g chicken, green veggies, fish oil
Before bed: Low-carbs Metabolic Drive (2 scoops)

[/quote]

You could use leucine for a double pulseā€¦ e.g. leucine 4-5g, 5-10 min. later 12g casein hydrolysate, 10-15 minutes later solid meal.

But that is overdoing it for the possible slight added benefit.

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CT, what about off days, how many pulses and solid meals do you recomend?

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Coach Thib,

I was recently at a nutrition conference (met Dr. Z, PhD and all, still looks 25 years old) and the topic of HMB was brought up a few times, even though itā€™s not really a new supplement or anything. The literature is all over the place with non-trained/trained individuals but prices are coming down and I was planning to give it a shot sometime soon. Do you have any experience with the recommended 3-6grs pre-workout?

Also heard some great stuff on Anaconda too, looking forward to trying it. One could make up a badass protocol with a couple added ingredients, that is, if the whole bundle is not as affordable as expected.

Lastly, you really arenā€™t a big fan of peanuts IF I recall correctly. How are all those FINiBARS treating you?

Thanks in advance.

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[quote]alfdr88 wrote:
CT, what about off days, how many pulses and solid meals do you recomend?[/quote]

Prior to every meal, so 5-7 times.

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[quote]Bachovas wrote:

Lastly, you really arenā€™t a big fan of peanuts IF I recall correctly. How are all those FINiBARS treating you?

Thanks in advance.[/quote]

Iā€™m actually using the chocolate FINiBARS. They donā€™t make 'em anymore but they had a few cases left that the sent me.

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Bachovas wrote:

Lastly, you really arenā€™t a big fan of peanuts IF I recall correctly. How are all those FINiBARS treating you?

Thanks in advance.

Iā€™m actually using the chocolate FINiBARS. They donā€™t make 'em anymore but they had a few cases left that the sent me.[/quote]

So the cholcolate ones are nut free? Tell those guys to bring them back!

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Just out of interest, is Charles Poliquin aware of or involved in the development of the pulsing protocol? Is he also aware of the new para-workout advancements? Remember he mentioned (a while ago, likely heā€™s changed opinions by now) he liked to have a solid meal pre-workout to stabilise blood sugar levels.

Totally understand the theory behind your protocol and that stable blood sugar is not the goal. Itā€™s just this seems like a major advancement and I have heard coach Poliquin is usually fairly up to date.

Thanks

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Thib,
How long of a gap are Dr. Zig etcā€¦ suggesting between meals with the updated pulsing before each meal?

and is that as follows:

5g LEU 30 minutes prior
12g CHY 15 minutes prior
Solid meal

Thanks,
DH

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
alfdr88 wrote:
CT, what about off days, how many pulses and solid meals do you recomend?

Prior to every meal, so 5-7 times.[/quote]

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

Protein intake should be set between 1 and 1.25g per pound not counting the para-workout intake.[/quote]

Is the pulse 60 min. post-WO counted as para-workout?

Thanks, coach. Keep the good work. Canā€™t wait to try the new program.

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[quote]Enerexus wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

Protein intake should be set between 1 and 1.25g per pound not counting the para-workout intake.

Is the pulse 60 min. post-WO counted as para-workout?

Thanks, coach. Keep the good work. Canā€™t wait to try the new program.[/quote]

Yes it is

Para-workout starts off 90 minutes prior and ends 60 minutes post

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[quote]DH wrote:
Thib,
How long of a gap are Dr. Zig etcā€¦ suggesting between meals with the updated pulsing before each meal?

and is that as follows:

5g LEU 30 minutes prior
12g CHY 15 minutes prior
Solid meal

Thanks,
DH

Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
alfdr88 wrote:
CT, what about off days, how many pulses and solid meals do you recomend?

Prior to every meal, so 5-7 times.

[/quote]

3 hours

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Thanks four your reply, coach.

BTW, has anyone felt hypoglycemia symptoms 30-40 min. after a pulse? I am, but they usually wear off in about 20 min.
Currently pulsing with 5g LEU + WHY (24g protein) 10 min. after, while I get a good CHY.

Iā€™m currently following the regressive keto diet with 2 or 3 pulses a day integrated.

Iā€™d like to read CTā€™s opinion or anyone else who has had similar issues.

Thank you!

EDIT: When the pulse is close to a dose of HOT-ROX (HRX, 20 min. later, pulse) symptoms are way milder.

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Can someone put up a link for where Thibs first described the pulsing protocol? I canā€™t find it with the search. Thx!

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[quote]Enerexus wrote:
Thanks four your reply, coach.

BTW, has anyone felt hypoglycemia symptoms 30-40 min. after a pulse? I am, but they usually wear off in about 20 min.
Currently pulsing with 5g LEU + WHY (24g protein) 10 min. after, while I get a good CHY.

Iā€™m currently following the regressive keto diet with 2 or 3 pulses a day integrated.

Iā€™d like to read CTā€™s opinion or anyone else who has had similar issues.

Thank you!

EDIT: When the pulse is close to a dose of HOT-ROX (HRX, 20 min. later, pulse) symptoms are way milder.[/quote]

Thatā€™s normal (the HOT-ROX thing). Catecholamines blunt the release of insulin (or reduce it) and HOT-ROX will increase the release of catecholamines.

If anything this shows you:

  1. How leucine is effective at stimulating insulin release
  2. How effective HOT-ROX is at stimulating fat loss

I suspect that the symptoms will be much less with CH, and if they stay, I would suggest using Receptormax.

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Enerexus wrote:
Thanks four your reply, coach.

BTW, has anyone felt hypoglycemia symptoms 30-40 min. after a pulse? I am, but they usually wear off in about 20 min.
Currently pulsing with 5g LEU + WHY (24g protein) 10 min. after, while I get a good CHY.

Iā€™m currently following the regressive keto diet with 2 or 3 pulses a day integrated.

Iā€™d like to read CTā€™s opinion or anyone else who has had similar issues.

Thank you!

EDIT: When the pulse is close to a dose of HOT-ROX (HRX, 20 min. later, pulse) symptoms are way milder.

Thatā€™s normal (the HOT-ROX thing). Catecholamines blunt the release of insulin (or reduce it) and HOT-ROX will increase the release of catecholamines.

If anything this shows you:

  1. How leucine is effective at stimulating insulin release
  2. How effective HOT-ROX is at stimulating fat loss

I suspect that the symptoms will be much less with CH, and if they stay, I would suggest using Receptormax.[/quote]

This is very interesting. Iā€™ve made some research and one of the causes of hypoglycemia is, effectively, hyperinsulinemia. And, while on a keto diet, this seems very reasonable.

I think youā€™re quite right coach. Thank you very much. These findings of yours will surely be the standard athletes will use in the years coming.

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Coach,

During a fat loss phase is it still advisable to pulse with 5g leucine, and then CH 5-10 minutes later prior to meals? In other words, is there any danger that the insulin response caused by the leucine would contradict the fat loss efforts?

If it helps: Iā€™m 185lb at approx. 15% bf and have started a low carb approach (about 75g carbs with 50-60 taken pre-workout).

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[quote]Phadrues wrote:
Coach,

During a fat loss phase is it still advisable to pulse with 5g leucine, and then CH 5-10 minutes later prior to meals? In other words, is there any danger that the insulin response caused by the leucine would contradict the fat loss efforts?

If it helps: Iā€™m 185lb at approx. 15% bf and have started a low carb approach (about 75g carbs with 50-60 taken pre-workout).[/quote]

If anything the leucine will help you, no worries

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Coach

On non training days following pulses and without carbs, do I have to be aware of the source of protein? of solid meals? Or I can use meats plus fats except first meal that it would be whites.

Thanks

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hi Coach,

Iā€™m following Get Jacked training/diet program (weeks 5-8)
I have 6 meals during the day, except the para-workout nutrition.
Until now two of them were from slowly digested protein powder + veggies or SuperFood ( AM & PM snack, because at this time i need handiness and speed).
Breakfast, lunch, supper and before bed are from solid foods.

Not including the para-wo.,
generally, how can I plan amino pulsing ( with WH + leucine )during the day in the ā€œGet Jackedā€, and what about my 2 ā€œliquidā€ snack?

Using whey hydrolysate to pulse, instead of 12 gr of CH ( CH is not available to me), how much grams of WH should i take?

Not including para-workout nutrition,
what are the needs for protein daily intake per pound for one want to use the AMINO ACID PULSING strategy during a fat loss phase ?

thank you very much

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webcast.bodybuilding.com/fitshow/insidethelife/natprolayne5.mp4

interesting comments by Layne near the end about basically pulsing protein.