[quote]Italiano wrote:
Thibs, what is the most effective ratio of rice oligodextrin, palatinose, and d-glucose if these carbs were to be taken, if you didn’t have Workout Fuel on hand yet?
Two scoops of Surge Workout Fuel has 42g carbs so as an estimated guess I am thinking maybe 18g rice oligodextrin, 18g platinose, 6g d-glucose?
Thanks [/quote]
Sadly, I’m not at liberty to discuss that.
[quote]Tonkaboy wrote:
Does this look reasonable to you?
Meal 1 (6AM) - 2 scoop Biotest Metabolic Drive low carb protein, 5 caps BCAA, MV, 8 caps Oil Capsule, 1 tbsp Flax oil.
Meal 2 (7:30AM) - Meat (Grilled beef or Chicken), 3 HB eggs, coffee, green tea.
Meal 3 (10:30AM) - 2 scoop Biotest Metabolic Drive low carb protein, 1 tbsp Flax oil.
Meal 4 (12:30PM) - Meat (Grilled beef or Chicken or Fish), 3 HB eggs, Spinach with Balsamic Vinaigrette dressing, diet soda.
Meal 5 (3PM) - 2 scoop Biotest Metabolic Drive low carb protein, 1 tbsp Flax oil. [/quote]
Replace all the Metabolic Drive with Grow! WHEY (fast absorption, better for pulsing) or whey/casein hydrolysate.
Have the fattier meat later during the day, stick to low-fat fish like tilapia and sole as well as chicken or turkey for the first two solid meals.
[quote]Tonkaboy wrote:
If working out:
Pre-Workout(4:15PM) - 30 minutes prior to working out ingest 10 caps Biotest BCAA and 2 scoops Biotest Workout Fuel
Peri-Workout (4:45PM) - 16 caps BCAA and 1 scoop Biotest Surge Recovery.
Post-Workout (6:15PM) - Post workout shake containing: 1 scoop Biotest Surge Recovery, 1 scoop Biotest Metabolic Drive low carb protein, Leucine, glycine, glutamine.
Meal 6 (7:30PM) - Meat (Grilled beef or Chicken or Fish), diet soda, 8 caps Oil Capsule, MV.
Thanks coach
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That’s not bad… I’d drop the 16 caps of BCAA’s during the workout, and add them to your pre-workout.
I’d sustitute the Metabolic Drive post-workout with Grow! Whey.
I’d add at least one scoop of Surge Recovery pre-workout to spike insulin.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Tonkaboy wrote:
Does this look reasonable to you?
Meal 1 (6AM) - 2 scoop Biotest Metabolic Drive low carb protein, 5 caps BCAA, MV, 8 caps Oil Capsule, 1 tbsp Flax oil.
Meal 2 (7:30AM) - Meat (Grilled beef or Chicken), 3 HB eggs, coffee, green tea.
Meal 3 (10:30AM) - 2 scoop Biotest Metabolic Drive low carb protein, 1 tbsp Flax oil.
Meal 4 (12:30PM) - Meat (Grilled beef or Chicken or Fish), 3 HB eggs, Spinach with Balsamic Vinaigrette dressing, diet soda.
Meal 5 (3PM) - 2 scoop Biotest Metabolic Drive low carb protein, 1 tbsp Flax oil.
Replace all the Metabolic Drive by Grow! WHEY (fast absorption, better for pulsing) or whey/casein hydrolysate.
Have the fattier meat later during the day, stick to low-fat fish like tilapia and sole as well as chicken or turkey for the first two solid meals.
Tonkaboy wrote:
If working out:
Pre-Workout(4:15PM) - 30 minutes prior to working out ingest 10 caps Biotest BCAA and 2 scoops Biotest Workout Fuel
Peri-Workout (4:45PM) - 16 caps BCAA and 1 scoop Biotest Surge Recovery.
Post-Workout (6:15PM) - Post workout shake containing: 1 scoop Biotest Surge Recovery, 1 scoop Biotest Metabolic Drive low carb protein, Leucine, glycine, glutamine.
Meal 6 (7:30PM) - Meat (Grilled beef or Chicken or Fish), diet soda, 8 caps Oil Capsule, MV.
Thanks coach
That’s not bad… I’d drop the 16 caps of BCAA’s during the workout, and add them to your pre-workout.
I’d sustitute the Metabolic Drive post-workout by whey.
I’d add at least one scoop of Surge Recovery pre-workout to spike insulin. [/quote]
Thanks much Coach
[quote]Tonkaboy wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Tonkaboy wrote:
Does this look reasonable to you?
Meal 1 (6AM) - 2 scoop Biotest Metabolic Drive low carb protein, 5 caps BCAA, MV, 8 caps Oil Capsule, 1 tbsp Flax oil.
Meal 2 (7:30AM) - Meat (Grilled beef or Chicken), 3 HB eggs, coffee, green tea.
Meal 3 (10:30AM) - 2 scoop Biotest Metabolic Drive low carb protein, 1 tbsp Flax oil.
Meal 4 (12:30PM) - Meat (Grilled beef or Chicken or Fish), 3 HB eggs, Spinach with Balsamic Vinaigrette dressing, diet soda.
Meal 5 (3PM) - 2 scoop Biotest Metabolic Drive low carb protein, 1 tbsp Flax oil.
Replace all the Metabolic Drive by Grow! WHEY (fast absorption, better for pulsing) or whey/casein hydrolysate.
Have the fattier meat later during the day, stick to low-fat fish like tilapia and sole as well as chicken or turkey for the first two solid meals.
Tonkaboy wrote:
If working out:
Pre-Workout(4:15PM) - 30 minutes prior to working out ingest 10 caps Biotest BCAA and 2 scoops Biotest Workout Fuel
Peri-Workout (4:45PM) - 16 caps BCAA and 1 scoop Biotest Surge Recovery.
Post-Workout (6:15PM) - Post workout shake containing: 1 scoop Biotest Surge Recovery, 1 scoop Biotest Metabolic Drive low carb protein, Leucine, glycine, glutamine.
Meal 6 (7:30PM) - Meat (Grilled beef or Chicken or Fish), diet soda, 8 caps Oil Capsule, MV.
Thanks coach
That’s not bad… I’d drop the 16 caps of BCAA during the workout, and add them to your pre-workout.
I’d sustitute the Metabolic Drive post-workout with whey.
I’d add at least one scoop of Surge Recovery pre-workout to spike insulin.
Thanks much coach[/quote]
Here’s the revise plan Coach:
I will finish my supply of Low-Carb Metablic Drive, on my next order I will get the Metabolic Drive Grow! Whey as you recomended
Pre-Workout(4:15PM) - 30 minutes prior to working out ingest 26 caps Biotest BCAA’s and 2 scoops Biotest Surge Workout Fuel, 1 scoop Biotest Surge Recovery
Peri-Workout (4:45PM) - 1 scoop Biotest Surge Recovery.
Post-Workout (6:15PM) - Post workout shake containing: 1 scoop Biotest Surge Recovery, 1 scoop Metabolic Drive Grow@ Whey, Leucine, glycine, glutamine.
Can I eliminate the 1 scoop of Surge Recovery from the Post workout shake?
Coach,
This question is not asking for specific protocols but more of the general thought process behind them. If possible, would you give some quick bullet points of the main intent of specific supplementation before, during, after, and even 60-90 minutes post training under the following circumstances
(a) heavy weight training
(b) ESW: sprints
(c) ESW: interval training
(d) ESW: low intensity (if applicable)
Basically this is just asking what you consider the main priorities around each type of session that would then dictate what you choose and when you use it.
Christian,
Why not just continue using Surge Recovery during the workout rather than Finibar and Workout Fuel or Anaconda? Wouldn’t that result in a continued insulin spike during the workout? (just saw that you recommended it in the “protein pulse” thread for carb-tolerant folks)
Coach, if i begin my workout at 5-5:15 how would this set-up look…
40min before: 1-FiniBAR
30min before: 1-2 Scoops Workout Fuel
10-15min before: 1 Scoop Surge Recovery
During Workout: 1 Scoop Surge Recovery
Post Workout(6:30p.m): 1 Scoop Surge Recovery
Dinner (7:30p.m) 230g Salmon W/Green Veggies
Before Bed (10:00p.m) 100g Turkey + 2 Whole Eggs
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
fightnews10 wrote:
Ok so if you’re using BCAA the best time to take them would be with your pre workout drink correct? That would be better then during?
It would be 30-45 minutes before the workout.[/quote]
With a protein drink or no?
Here’s my pre workout drink, 25 grams protien, 4 strawberries, 8 raseberries, 1 yougurt, 2 tbs oatmeal. Should I add the bcaa right to that?
Should Luecine be added to pretty much every protein drink?
[quote]fightnews10 wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
fightnews10 wrote:
Ok so if you’re using BCAA the best time to take them would be with your pre workout drink correct? That would be better then during?
It would be 30-45 minutes before the workout.
With a protein drink or no?
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No, just the BCAAs.
[quote]Eazy wrote:
Coach, if i begin my workout at 5-5:15 how would this set-up look…
40min before: 1-FiniBAR
30min before: 1-2 Scoops Workout Fuel
10-15min before: 1 Scoop Surge Recovery
During Workout: 1 Scoop Surge Recovery
Post Workout(6:30p.m): 1 Scoop Surge Recovery
Dinner (7:30p.m) 230g Salmon W/Green Veggies
Before Bed (10:00p.m) 100g Turkey + 2 Whole Eggs[/quote]
Looks almost perfect, but I would delay the post-workout until 60 minutes after the completion of the session and have the solid meal 30 min afterwards
Coach,
would waxy maize starch be an effective carb 45-60 minutes BEFORE workout (in place of one FINiBAR)?
Thanks, also how many grams would you recommend?
Should L-Leucine be added to pretty much every protein drink? If you are drinking a protein drink before hte workout do you need to take BCAA?
[quote]gladiator88 wrote:
Coach,
would waxy maize starch be an effective carb 45-60 minutes BEFORE workout (in place of one FINiBAR)?
Thanks, also how many grams would you recommend?[/quote]
I’ve never liked waxy maize myself. And recent reports do seem to indicate that all waxy maize is not the same. The original vitargo product was good (the one without the creatine) and I think that they actually had a patent for the type of WM used which could indicate why other versions don’t pan out in real life.
[quote]fightnews10 wrote:
Should L-Leucine be added to pretty much every protein drink? If you are drinking a protein drink before hte workout do you need to take BCAA?[/quote]
Leucine can be used 5-10 min. before a shake, but it is not necessary. The greatest effect would be prior to a solid meal.
Coach,
This is off topic, but it pertains to nutrition. Recently, Ive been given advice on what test to take next doctor visit: FOOD allergies.
My question to you is, what allergy test specifically would you recommend to test food sensitivities, given the fact their are several tests and laboratories all claiming to do an effective job?
examples are: skin pricking, RAST, LEAP MRT, etc…
Thanks!!!
If L-Leucine is not necessary then why is it in Surge Workout Fuel? And why does it say in the write up for L-Leucine that you should take it with protein when there’s no protein in Surge Workout Fuel?
[quote]gladiator88 wrote:
Coach,
This is off topic, but it pertains to nutrition. Recently, Ive been given advice on what test to take next doctor visit: FOOD allergies.
My question to you is, what allergy test specifically would you recommend to test food sensitivities, given the fact their are several tests and laboratories all claiming to do an effective job?
examples are: skin pricking, RAST, LEAP MRT, etc…
Thanks!!![/quote]
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
gladiator88 wrote:
Coach,
This is off topic, but it pertains to nutrition. Recently, Ive been given advice on what test to take next doctor visit: FOOD allergies.
My question to you is, what allergy test specifically would you recommend to test food sensitivities, given the fact their are several tests and laboratories all claiming to do an effective job?
examples are: skin pricking, RAST, LEAP MRT, etc…
Thanks!!!
https://www.alcat.com/index.php
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Coach, You are a blessing!!!
This thread is not for para workout nutrition in general is it?