Looks like there are too many posts in the ‘New training question’ thread and it is slow as hell. Post your training questions here from now on.
Well, as you know the Protocol has been released. I’ve been reading most of your training methods recently using the Protocol. My question is for someone who has never tried training 2x a day before, what would you suggest the waiting times between each workout to be?
Also, I work at a gym, so it’s easy for me to train as much as need be, should I start at twice a day? I know there isn’t any I,Bodybuilder program for training, should we work on busting out those perfect reps, autoreg, turnaround and just train non-idiotically and go for the glory?
I ordered the protocol and am giggling to my gf like a school girl.
CT,
I will definitely be ordering this protocol tomororow morning. I just had one small question:
I saw in some of those article pics (“Thibaudeau Talks Training”) and in your experimental arm workout with Kevin Nobert your use of Anaconda in the form of large bottles (like a 1L bottle of Anaconda or something)? I also saw you with the bottle on the cover of your “Get Jacked Fast!!!.” Is that bottle form of Anaconda something that you (and your clients) exclusively use on the side? Or is that the same as using this large 2000mL capacity bottle?
Also, I am about 145lbs with about 10% bf and 20 years old, white male, 5’6". Is this still cool if I use the full protocol? Or should I eat one or two FINiBARs instead of three? I currently use Surge Workout Fuel prior to working out along with FINiBARs and whey hydrosylate until I get this Anaconda protocol.
Coach,
First off, congrats on becoming a dad! I wish the best to you and your new family.
I saw the Anaconda protocol. I was under the impression that Anaconda would be released in conjunction with I Bodybuilder. Will a training “program” still be released?
In your other thread you mentioned activating the CNS via 8x3 and performing straight sets after. Due to your recommendations, I have been ramping the weight to a top weight and stopping (for every exercise). Why and when would use each approach? When you do perform straight sets, do you keep the number of sets the same and adjust the weight according to how you feel?
On a similar note, once I hit that top weight for a prescribed number of reps, I feel like I could do more sets at that same weight. What dictates whether I should perform these extra sets or not?
Happy Thanksgiving sir!
Thanks!
MM
[quote]ChokeOnStrength wrote:
Well, as you know the Protocol has been released. I’ve been reading most of your training methods recently using the Protocol. My question is for someone who has never tried training 2x a day before, what would you suggest the waiting times between each workout to be?
Also, I work at a gym, so it’s easy for me to train as much as need be, should I start at twice a day? I know there isn’t any I,Bodybuilder program for training, should we work on busting out those perfect reps, autoreg, turnaround and just train non-idiotically and go for the glory?
I ordered the protocol and am giggling to my gf like a school girl.[/quote]
The IBB… which is just the introduction to the max force training principles, doesn’t call for twice-a-day workouts. Only the more advanced versions will include 2-a-days. I recommend gradually working your way up.
But those who choose to train twice a day get better results if there is 6 hours between the sessions.
[quote]Eric Buratty wrote:
CT,
I will definitely be ordering this protocol tomororow morning. I just had one small question:
I saw in some of those article pics (“Thibaudeau Talks Training”) and in your experimental arm workout with Kevin Nobert your use of Anaconda in the form of large bottles (like a 1L bottle of Anaconda or something)? I also saw you with the bottle on the cover of your “Get Jacked Fast!!!.” Is that bottle form of Anaconda something that you (and your clients) exclusively use on the side? Or is that the same as using this large 2000mL capacity bottle?
Also, I am about 145lbs with about 10% bf and 20 years old, white male, 5’6". Is this still cool if I use the full protocol? Or should I eat one or two FINiBARs instead of three? I currently use Surge Workout Fuel prior to working out along with FINiBARs and whey hydrosylate until I get this Anaconda protocol. [/quote]
Actually we started to use the new nalgene bottles near the end of the protocol, before that since no contained existed we used FIJI water to mix the Anaconda and MAG-10 and used those bottles. They simply slapped a label on.
It’s okay to use the protocol IF you train at a high level enough to benefit from it.
Coach
I hope it isn’t a injury question:
When I do overhead press from pins or military press I feel a slightly discomfort around left posterior deltoid (left arm is the weak one)when I push the bar and especially with fat grip. I can’t target it exactly but I’m supposing could be a supraspinatus issue. I’m not sure.
Under your experience, do you agree on? Is it possible to you, give me a guideline to fix this problem? I can’t push to the limit. I suppose rotator cuff exercises, but how I feel it on overhead pressing or incline pressing, is possible to be more accurate with the exercise selection.
Thanks
Thib,
if 1 push, 1 pull, 1 legs exercises are trained each time 3 times a week (mon-wed-fri type), do you think it’s sufficient stimulation for strength if you work hard enoguh (ramping to a max set of 2-5, then max capacity set, or volume sets with max force set or extended ramp to lower reps)
You said that for growth it might not be optimal, but what about strength ?
Also sometimes I add a 4th exercises IF I feel that the muscle group and CNS are not exhausted, so I try to make it like this:
Day 1 : 2 push 1 pull 1 legs
Day 2 : 2 pull 1 push 1 legs
Day 3 : 2 legs 1 push 1 pull
Do you think it’s a good idea ?
[quote]Thy. wrote:
Thib,
if 1 push, 1 pull, 1 legs exercises are trained each time 3 times a week (mon-wed-fri type), do you think it’s sufficient stimulation for strength if you work hard enoguh (ramping to a max set of 2-5, then max capacity set, or volume sets with max force set or extended ramp to lower reps)
You said that for growth it might not be optimal, but what about strength ?
Also sometimes I add a 4th exercises IF I feel that the muscle group and CNS are not exhausted, so I try to make it like this:
Day 1 : 2 push 1 pull 1 legs
Day 2 : 2 pull 1 push 1 legs
Day 3 : 2 legs 1 push 1 pull
Do you think it’s a good idea ?
[/quote]
I’m not CT, but I believe growth and strength go hand-in-hand.
CT
I read your post saying there are certain exercises you tend to keep in your programs, helping you track progress etc, is this an approach you would use with physique and clients training for a sport?
Are there exercises that you would consider more important than others for a rugby player? (I know you have said there are no must-do exercises bu was wondering if you have seen a good performance carryover from certain lifts). Thanks.
CT, I’m looking to do shoulder specialization program during winter break. 4-6 weeks to try and bring up my shoulder size which I feel is lagging. I’d like to work out 4 days and week and 3 of those days work out twice a day. My goal is to get three shoulder workouts in a week. I will also be using the Anaconda protocol during this time.
Sunday: off
Monday: AM shoulders/PM arms
Tuesday: off
Wednesday: AM Shoulders/PM chest
Thursday: off
Friday: AM shoulders/PM back
Saturday: Legs
I’m just curious if it would be better to do my shoulder workouts in the morning when I’m fresh or in the evening after my first workout so my nervous system is more activated?
[quote]jk270 wrote:
CT
I read your post saying there are certain exercises you tend to keep in your programs, helping you track progress etc, is this an approach you would use with physique and clients training for a sport?
Are there exercises that you would consider more important than others for a rugby player? (I know you have said there are no must-do exercises bu was wondering if you have seen a good performance carryover from certain lifts). Thanks.[/quote]
For an athlete the big basics are very important… back squat, front squat, deadlift, power clean, bench press, incline bench, chins, barbell row
Get as strong as humanly possible on those. Then add movements like lunges and other exercises adressing your own weaknesses and needs.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
jk270 wrote:
CT
I read your post saying there are certain exercises you tend to keep in your programs, helping you track progress etc, is this an approach you would use with physique and clients training for a sport?
Are there exercises that you would consider more important than others for a rugby player? (I know you have said there are no must-do exercises bu was wondering if you have seen a good performance carryover from certain lifts). Thanks.
For an athlete the big basics are very important… back squat, front squat, deadlift, power clean, bench press, incline bench, chins, barbell row
Get as strong as humanly possible on those. Then add movements like lunges and other exercises adressing your own weaknesses and needs.[/quote]
CT, I don’t know how familiar you are with rugby but wouldn’t you include the overhead press in those?
Take a look at the movement. Also, I can imagine doing some work with grippers would aid a player massively when grappling with opposing players.
Coach Thibaudeau,
Roughly a month ago following a max effort squat session, I developed pain right above my ankle. I thought nothing of it, iced it a bit, took some advil and all was well. I went to squat a week later, however, and the pain immediately came back once I started to finish my warmup sets and even worse, it appeared in the same spot in my other leg!
I palpated my legs to look for tenderness and found that while I feel the pain lower in my leg (about 4" above the ankle), the tenderness is higher up in the muscles of the calf.
I have rather large and strong calves my ankle mobility is fine. I still feel a dull pain if I walk a long distance or go up/down stairs, but the only thing that makes it worse is squatting into the hole with a spinal load. I have deadlifted numerous times since this happened and I have no pain; it’s only when I get to the bottom of a squat.
Any ideas? I just ordered the Anaconda package, so maybe I’ll take it and the pain will simply be gone forever the next day ;).
[quote]WP wrote:
“CT, I don’t know how familiar you are with rugby but wouldn’t you include the overhead press in those?..
…Take a look at the movement. Also, I can imagine doing some work with grippers would aid a player massively when grappling with opposing players.”[/quote]
This is why Thib wrote to get as strong as possible on the basics THEN address your own WEAKNESSES and NEEDS. In rugby you dont actually use overhead movements too much anyway besides that.
I may not be Thib but also some secondary work after getting strong on the basics on your elbow flexors and extensors can be good for grabbing and making contact in rugby.
[quote]kgcage14 wrote:
WP wrote:
“CT, I don’t know how familiar you are with rugby but wouldn’t you include the overhead press in those?..
…Take a look at the movement. Also, I can imagine doing some work with grippers would aid a player massively when grappling with opposing players.”
This is why Thib wrote to get as strong as possible on the basics THEN address your own WEAKNESSES and NEEDS. In rugby you dont actually use overhead movements too much anyway besides that.
I may not be Thib but also some secondary work after getting strong on the basics on your elbow flexors and extensors can be good for grabbing and making contact in rugby.
[/quote]
Agreed. But an athlete should not major in the minor. I’m all for isolation work to maximize muscular development, but every exercise has a recovery cost. And contrary to bodybuilders who do not train much outside of the gym, athletes have track work, plyo, conditioning, sports practice, etc. They really need to be careful about where they “invest” their energy.
CT, for quite some time now I have been following an upper/lower split. I have made great gains but, I am started to see that my arms and upper back are lagging. What would be a good split to fix this problem?
[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
CT, for quite some time now I have been following an upper/lower split. I have made great gains but, I am started to see that my arms and upper back are lagging. What would be a good split to fix this problem? [/quote]
Well, you could obviously simply add more direct arm work at the end of the upper body workouts. As I often say, the training split is THE LEAST IMPORTANT training variable. As long as it is not idiotic, it will work and it will never be the direct cause for your lack of progress.
Your split is only how you organize your weekly volume.
HOW you train… what exercises you use… your volume… techniques, etc. Those are the things that matter.
But since you asked for it, if you are dead set on training 4 times a week, you could try:
DAY 1 - Torso (chest and back)
DAY 2 - Quads dominant - Squat and assistance
DAY 3 - Arms and shoulders
DAY 4 - Hips dominant - deadlift and assistance
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
kgcage14 wrote:
WP wrote:
“CT, I don’t know how familiar you are with rugby but wouldn’t you include the overhead press in those?..
…Take a look at the movement. Also, I can imagine doing some work with grippers would aid a player massively when grappling with opposing players.”
This is why Thib wrote to get as strong as possible on the basics THEN address your own WEAKNESSES and NEEDS. In rugby you dont actually use overhead movements too much anyway besides that.
I may not be Thib but also some secondary work after getting strong on the basics on your elbow flexors and extensors can be good for grabbing and making contact in rugby.
Agreed. But an athlete should not major in the minor. I’m all for isolation work to maximize muscular development, but every exercise has a recovery cost. And contrary to bodybuilders who do not train much outside of the gym, athletes have track work, plyo, conditioning, sports practice, etc. They really need to be careful about where they “invest” their energy.
Strength Training, Bodybuilding & Online Supplement Store - T NATION [/quote]
Damn, those old Thibs articles are the ones I enjoy the most. Very interesting and informative.
CT, I’m looking to do a shoulder specialization program along with the Anaconda protocol. I’d like to work out 4-5 days a week and 3 of those days work out twice a day doing a shoulder workout and one other workout. I’ve got the dosage protocol for Anaconda from another thread but was wondering if it would be better to do my shoulder workout in the AM session or the PM session?
My main goal is size but I’m hoping to get some decent strength gains too. I’m just not sure whether it would be better to work out in the AM when I’m fresher or in the evening after my nervous system has been primed by my first workout.