Questions About Peri-Workout Nutrition

Training
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This is from CT’s thread “New Protocol We Are Experimenting With”

Part of the reason why I, BB is an ever going processs is that we are always trying new stuff. The original protocol works great, but it was somewhat complex and required a lot of product. So we are looking for a simpler one that is just as effective.

Right now I am using 2 Finibars 45 minutes prior to training, 3 scoops of Anaconda and 3 scoops of MAG-10 protein prior and during the workout (3 scoops of each total). With Alpha-GPC 90 minutes prior.

This actually gives me more of the amonia scavenging substances, more casein hydrolysate and more amino acids than the prior protocol. So far I’ve noticed in 1 day what I normally noticed in 5! So the protocol is at least as effective and much less complicated.

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CT, I just ordered the ANACONDA protocol and I plan to start training two times a day once it arrives, doing two movements each workout with an isolation exercise after if i feel up for it. How would I alter the protocol to suit this? I weigh 195 at sub 10% BF and my goals are gaining mass and strength if that’s relevant.

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[quote]Clypher wrote:
CT, I just ordered the ANACONDA protocol and I plan to start training two times a day once it arrives, doing two movements each workout with an isolation exercise after if i feel up for it. How would I alter the protocol to suit this? I weigh 195 at sub 10% BF and my goals are gaining mass and strength if that’s relevant.[/quote]

Alpha-GPC 90 minutes prior to both workouts
2 FINiBARs prior to both workouts (as indicated in the original protocol)
2 ANACONDA + 2 MAG-10 with the first workout
1 ANACONDA + 2 MAG-10 with the second workout (you have more MAG-10)

1045

CT, would ANACONDA be useful for a sprint/power athlete or would it be overkill?

1046

Hey coach,

I’ll be starting the full Anaconda protocol as prescribed for once per day workouts.

What is the recommendations for lean mass gains in the post-workout period. I was thinking +20min 40g whey (maby regular creatine too?), +60-90min solid meal (Pro & Cho)?

What would be a good recommendation for nutrient composition of the solid meal for a 200lb man wanting to gain lean mass who limits carbs to some breakfasts and all post workout meals?

Also, I’ve made it a habit to take 500mg Vit. C after every workout, and again before bed to help control cortisol (which I’ve had a problem with in the past). Is this still a good idea?

Thanks so much for your time.

1047

Coach,

In the ANACONDA protocol it says nothing about the post-workout nutrition “switch on anabolism and halt catabolism” logic that was used in promoting SURGE Recovery. The last nutrients you are ingesting as part of the protocol are 10 min into your workout.

Is this because the CH is digested much slower or is there a change due to findings uncovered during the I, Bodybuilder project?

Thank you,

AD

1048

Not to be a dick, but have you taken the time to actually read any of the posts regarding this protocol and the latest research??? The main reason to use CH is because it is digested extremely fast…

[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
Coach,

In the ANACONDA protocol it says nothing about the post-workout nutrition “switch on anabolism and halt catabolism” logic that was used in promoting SURGE Recovery. The last nutrients you are ingesting as part of the protocol are 10 min into your workout.

Is this because the CH is digested much slower or is there a change due to findings uncovered during the I, Bodybuilder project?

Thank you,

AD[/quote]

1049

Ok, I give up…What the fuck is ‘PPS’…It may have been mentioned in 42 to pages, but I just can’t through them all…

1050

[quote]pat wrote:
Ok, I give up…What the fuck is ‘PPS’…It may have been mentioned in 42 to pages, but I just can’t through them all…[/quote]

most of the time it stands for post-post script, but I’ll assume it’s in reference to a supplement which I can’t recall the name of it something phosp… try a search on here maybe

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
pat wrote:
Ok, I give up…What the fuck is ‘PPS’…It may have been mentioned in 42 to pages, but I just can’t through them all…

most of the time it stands for post-post script, but I’ll assume it’s in reference to a supplement which I can’t recall the name of it something phosp… try a search on here maybe[/quote]

Phosphatidyl Serine

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[quote]justinb19 wrote:
Not to be a dick, but have you taken the time to actually read any of the posts regarding this protocol and the latest research??? The main reason to use CH is because it is digested extremely fast…

ADvanced TS wrote:
Coach,

In the ANACONDA protocol it says nothing about the post-workout nutrition “switch on anabolism and halt catabolism” logic that was used in promoting SURGE Recovery. The last nutrients you are ingesting as part of the protocol are 10 min into your workout.

Is this because the CH is digested much slower or is there a change due to findings uncovered during the I, Bodybuilder project?

Thank you,

AD

[/quote]

Yeah I have read them, thanks for your concern. Any Casein, regardless of if it is CH or Micellar is digested slower than whey.

So if it digested fast then you will be catabolic by the middle/end of your workout, which is why I was asking Coach Thibs what I was missing.

I am not trying to undermine the protocol, just better understand it. I just had one question before I bought in.

Unless you’re the Coach or have something intelligent to say, don’t respond. It’s worked for you for in the past, averaging about 5 posts per year, so stick to it.

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[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
justinb19 wrote:
Not to be a dick, but have you taken the time to actually read any of the posts regarding this protocol and the latest research??? The main reason to use CH is because it is digested extremely fast…

ADvanced TS wrote:
Coach,

In the ANACONDA protocol it says nothing about the post-workout nutrition “switch on anabolism and halt catabolism” logic that was used in promoting SURGE Recovery. The last nutrients you are ingesting as part of the protocol are 10 min into your workout.

Is this because the CH is digested much slower or is there a change due to findings uncovered during the I, Bodybuilder project?

Thank you,

AD

Yeah I have read them, thanks for your concern. Any Casein, regardless of if it is CH or Micellar is digested slower than whey.

So if it digested fast then you will be catabolic by the middle/end of your workout, which is why I was asking Coach Thibs what I was missing.

I am not trying to undermine the protocol, just better understand it. I just had one question before I bought in.

Unless you’re the Coach or have something intelligent to say, don’t respond. It’s worked for you for in the past, averaging about 5 posts per year, so stick to it.

[/quote]

He’s laughing at you because it’s been discussed ad nauseam about how CH is absorb much much faster than even hydrolized whey. He should of just responded with an answer to your question.
The protein found in MAG-10 and ANACONDA absorbs quicker than anything.

1054

Thibs, for mass gaining purposes, would there ne any additional benefit by adding 1 or 2 scoops of Surge Recovery (say 20 minutes before training)to the Anaconda protocol? Or possibly even adding some dextrose into the mix?

Thanks

1055

[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
Any Casein, regardless of if it is CH or Micellar is digested slower than whey.

[/quote]

No, CH is faster than any form of whey.

1056

Coach,
I have a question regarding creatine and Anaconda. Since creatine pyruvate is an ingredient of Anaconda, the protocol results in it being ingested before and during the workout. How does this compare to the old recommendations of taking creatine before and after workouts?

Is the new system more effective, just as effective but simply more convenient (in that you don’t have to add creatine in separately and use multiple shakers instead of one large bottle) or is creatine pyruvate different enough from creatine monohydrate to be used slightly differently?

Thanks,
B.

1057

[quote]HK24719 wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
pat wrote:
Ok, I give up…What the fuck is ‘PPS’…It may have been mentioned in 42 to pages, but I just can’t through them all…

most of the time it stands for post-post script, but I’ll assume it’s in reference to a supplement which I can’t recall the name of it something phosp… try a search on here maybe

Phosphatidyl Serine[/quote]

Thank you…

1058

If you’ve read them your reading comprehension sucks. CH is absorbed faster than whey, some even say faster than separate AA’s due to it’s di and tri peptides. So obviously how many times one posts doesn’t mean they don’t know what they’re talking about… you won’t be catabolic by then middle of your workout since the protocol calls for drinking the mixture for the duration of the workout, so therefore you always have a supply of quick absorbing protein in you system. Like I said I wasn’t trying to be a dick but you missed the main point of the CH which is posted all over this site.

[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
justinb19 wrote:
Not to be a dick, but have you taken the time to actually read any of the posts regarding this protocol and the latest research??? The main reason to use CH is because it is digested extremely fast…

ADvanced TS wrote:
Coach,

In the ANACONDA protocol it says nothing about the post-workout nutrition “switch on anabolism and halt catabolism” logic that was used in promoting SURGE Recovery. The last nutrients you are ingesting as part of the protocol are 10 min into your workout.

Is this because the CH is digested much slower or is there a change due to findings uncovered during the I, Bodybuilder project?

Thank you,

AD

Yeah I have read them, thanks for your concern. Any Casein, regardless of if it is CH or Micellar is digested slower than whey.

So if it digested fast then you will be catabolic by the middle/end of your workout, which is why I was asking Coach Thibs what I was missing.

I am not trying to undermine the protocol, just better understand it. I just had one question before I bought in.

Unless you’re the Coach or have something intelligent to say, don’t respond. It’s worked for you for in the past, averaging about 5 posts per year, so stick to it.

[/quote]

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[quote]justinb19 wrote:
If you’ve read them your reading comprehension sucks. CH is absorbed faster than whey, some even say faster than separate AA’s due to it’s di and tri peptides. So obviously how many times one posts doesn’t mean they don’t know what they’re talking about… you won’t be catabolic by then middle of your workout since the protocol calls for drinking the mixture for the duration of the workout, so therefore you always have a supply of quick absorbing protein in you system. Like I said I wasn’t trying to be a dick but you missed the main point of the CH which is posted all over this site.

ADvanced TS wrote:
justinb19 wrote:
Not to be a dick, but have you taken the time to actually read any of the posts regarding this protocol and the latest research??? The main reason to use CH is because it is digested extremely fast…

ADvanced TS wrote:
Coach,

In the ANACONDA protocol it says nothing about the post-workout nutrition “switch on anabolism and halt catabolism” logic that was used in promoting SURGE Recovery. The last nutrients you are ingesting as part of the protocol are 10 min into your workout.

Is this because the CH is digested much slower or is there a change due to findings uncovered during the I, Bodybuilder project?

Thank you,

AD

Yeah I have read them, thanks for your concern. Any Casein, regardless of if it is CH or Micellar is digested slower than whey.

So if it digested fast then you will be catabolic by the middle/end of your workout, which is why I was asking Coach Thibs what I was missing.

I am not trying to undermine the protocol, just better understand it. I just had one question before I bought in.

Unless you’re the Coach or have something intelligent to say, don’t respond. It’s worked for you for in the past, averaging about 5 posts per year, so stick to it.

[/quote]

Ok I can admit when I’m wrong. I misunderstood the protocol as finishing the ANACONDA 10 min into your workout, not starting to drink it 10 min in and finishing it at the end.

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Coach,

If the new ANACONDA protocol is a 10, what would you rate the protocol you’ve been recommending up until now (Surge Workout Fuel, Surge Recovery, FINiBARs). Just wondering, because I have a whole lot of Surge Recovery and Surge Workout Fuel left…

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[quote]justinb19 wrote:
Not to be a dick, but have you taken the time to actually read any of the posts regarding this protocol and the latest research??? The main reason to use CH is because it is digested extremely fast…
[/quote]

According to a recent study that’s a reason to not use it, since CH is favorably used up in the gut over peripheral tissue:

Hydrolyzed dietary casein as compared with the intact protein reduces postprandial peripheral, but not whole-body, uptake of nitrogen in humans. Deglaire et al. Am J Clin Nutr. (2009) 90(4):1011-22.

BACKGROUND: Compared with slow proteins, fast proteins are more completely extracted in the splanchnic bed but contribute less to peripheral protein accretion; however, the independent influence of absorption kinetics and the amino acid (AA) pattern of dietary protein on AA anabolism in individual tissues remains unknown.

OBJECTIVE: We aimed to compare the postprandial regional utilization of proteins with similar AA profiles but different absorption kinetics by coupling clinical experiments with compartmental modeling. DESIGN: Experimental data pertaining to the intestine, blood, and urine for dietary nitrogen kinetics after a 15N-labeled intact (IC) or hydrolyzed (HC) casein meal were obtained in parallel groups of healthy adults (n = 21) and were analyzed by using a 13-compartment model to predict the cascade of dietary nitrogen absorption and regional metabolism.

RESULTS: IC and HC elicited a similar whole-body postprandial retention of dietary nitrogen, but HC was associated with a faster rate of absorption than was IC, resulting in earlier and stronger hyperaminoacidemia and hyperinsulinemia. An enhancement of both catabolic (26%) and anabolic (37%) utilization of dietary nitrogen occurred in the splanchnic bed at the expense of its further peripheral availability, which reached 18% and 11% of ingested nitrogen 8 h after the IC and HC meals, respectively.

CONCLUSIONS: The form of delivery of dietary AAs constituted an independent factor of modulation of their postprandial regional metabolism, with a fast supply favoring the splanchnic dietary nitrogen uptake over its peripheral anabolic use. These results question a possible effect of ingestion of protein hydrolysates on tissue nitrogen metabolism and accretion.