Thanks
Thibs, for a pre-workout drink taken 15 minutes before training consisting of CH and carbs. Is there any advantage/disadvantage if the carb source is strictly all dextrose, or all maltodextrin, or would a 50/50 blend of both work best?
Thanks
CT, can you give us an estimated release date for MAG-10 protein yet? i need some CH and would prefer to buy from Biotest, but if MAG-10 protein isnt gonna be out for another month then i will have to buy CH elsewhere.
-thanks
[quote]Mouldsie wrote:
Christian,
Do you have any thoughts on whether we can use the peri-workout guidelines youāve posted for strength goals & performance/skill work or is it mainly for size/bodybuilding? If so, how (if at all) would you alter said protocol if a workout consists of boxing, 15 min of rest, then followed by wrestling? Would you use the same strategies and just sip slower during the workout? Or is this only optimal for days youāre doing 50 min weight sessions?
Thanks! [/quote]
Coach, if you have the time Iād like to pose the question above ^ (edited my post for clarity)
I apologize if it was already answered but I read through the thread and could have missed it!
[quote]Italiano wrote:
Thibs, for a pre-workout drink taken 15 minutes before training consisting of CH and carbs. Is there any advantage/disadvantage if the carb source is strictly all dextrose, or all maltodextrin, or would a 50/50 blend of both work best?
Thanks[/quote]
I would go with dextrose, greater insulin spike
Without having to search through 35 pages, and because i have seen different timing etcā¦ for the protocol, what is the latest protocol for the existing supps? (As in minus the Anaconda and MAG-10 until they are available).
If anyone could help it would be appreciated.
[quote]Costco77 wrote:
Hey CT, Just wondering how you thought of this different type of protocol, how long have you been doing your protocol this way? And how did you notice that this was the better way to do it? What kind of results did you notice by changing the protocol?[/quote]
Mate, read the threads, all your questions have been answered in a fair amount of detail before.
Hi Coach,
Hope you are well. Essentially, I perform power training (plyometric circuits and other power movements)twice a week, and strength training twice a week. These occur around 11:00 am. Three evenings a week, I participate in Krav Maga for an hour and a half. My question is, would I utilise the standard Peri-workout protocol that you suggest twice a day, or only once daily scheduled around the CNS work?
Thanks!
[quote]jaj wrote:
Without having to search through 35 pages, and because i have seen different timing etcā¦ for the protocol, what is the latest protocol for the existing supps? (As in minus the Anaconda and MAG-10 until they are available).
If anyone could help it would be appreciated.[/quote]
Off the top of my head b/c I have to run, my understanding is:
-60 2 caps Alpha-GPC
-40 1 FINiBAR
-30 Surge Workout Fuel
-10 Surge Recovery
-During workout drink Surge Recovery or CH
+60 Pulse
+90 Meal
Anyone else?
Pretty sure the optimum protocol minus Anaconda is as follows:
-90 2 caps Alpha-GPC
-45 2 FINiBAR
-30 2 Scoops Surge Workout Fuel
-15 2 Scoops Surge Recovery (still not sure if this is 2 scoops or 2 servings)
During Workout sip on 20g CH
+60 12g CH
+90 Solid meal
hey Thib
I got Surge Recovery, Grow!, beta-ala, leucine etc., But have no access to Surge Workout Fuel, BUT i have a type of isotonic powder which has the exact same content but unfortunately instead of palatinose and rice-blabla it has maltodex and fructose mix ā¦
As i am handling carbs of any kind very well could i use this product instead of Surge Workout Fuel for the protocol to suck up water into the muscle?
maybe because of this type of carbs taking it 10 mins later than the original Surge Workout Fuel?
Thanks Mouldsie and OdinsMissingEye. I really do appreciate the help and time savings!
Where would glutamine and fruit be placed? Thanks for your time.
[quote]fnf wrote:
Where would glutamine and fruit be placed? Thanks for your time.[/quote]
Glutamine can be used post-workout if you are using a low-carbs diet. I used it a lot in the past, but not so much now. I donāt put it that high on my list unless you have a depressed immune system.
Fruits should be ingested in the morning to replenish liver glycogen.
[quote]padrinho wrote:
hey Thib
I got Surge Recovery, Grow!, beta-ala, leucine etc., But have no access to Surge Workout Fuel, BUT i have a type of isotonic powder which has the exact same content but unfortunately instead of palatinose and rice-blabla it has maltodex and fructose mix ā¦
As i am handling carbs of any kind very well could i use this product instead of Surge Workout Fuel for the protocol to suck up water into the muscle?
maybe because of this type of carbs taking it 10 mins later than the original Surge Workout Fuel?
[/quote]
I doubt that it has the same things as Workout fuel. Yeah, maybe if you only look at carbs content. But that is only a small part of workout fuel. The phosphates, specific amino acids, beta-alanine etc. are as, if not more important than the carbs.
Not to mention that I donāt like to use fructose in a pre-workout drink.
[quote]OdinsMissingEye wrote:
Pretty sure the optimum protocol minus Anaconda is as follows:
-90 2 caps Alpha-GPC
-45 2 FINiBAR
-30 2 Scoops Surge Workout Fuel
-15 2 Scoops Surge Recovery (still not sure if this is 2 scoops or 2 servings)
During Workout sip on 20g CH
+60 12g CH
+90 Solid meal[/quote]
Yes, thatās it.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
padrinho wrote:
hey Thib
I got Surge Recovery, Grow!, beta-ala, leucine etc., But have no access to Surge Workout Fuel, BUT i have a type of isotonic powder which has the exact same content but unfortunately instead of palatinose and rice-blabla it has maltodex and fructose mix ā¦
As i am handling carbs of any kind very well could i use this product instead of Surge Workout Fuel for the protocol to suck up water into the muscle?
maybe because of this type of carbs taking it 10 mins later than the original Surge Workout Fuel?
I doubt that it has the same things as Workout fuel. Yeah, maybe if you only look at carbs content. But that is only a small part of workout fuel. The phosphates, specific amino acids, beta-alanine etc. are as, if not more important than the carbs.
Not to mention that I donāt like to use fructose in a pre-workout drink.
[/quote]
it actually has the same phosphate and electrolyte ratio which is the things i took a look at the most, the only thing it lacks is the palatinose and rice carbs, AND unfortunatly there is no Beta-Alanine and Leucine in it.
i have actually nothing against fructose actually helped me getting through workouts for about a year i ate eiter a an apple or an orange + walnuts/almonds about an hour or a half before the workout
my question would be, what is more important to, the beta-ala and leucine, or the posphate/electolyte ingridients if it comes to sucking up water and nutrients into the muscle? - - I guess i can salute myself if the fuel-carbs are the ones that do the whole job because there is no way i can get my hands on fuel 
[quote]padrinho wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
padrinho wrote:
hey Thib
I got Surge Recovery, Grow!, beta-ala, leucine etc., But have no access to Surge Workout Fuel, BUT i have a type of isotonic powder which has the exact same content but unfortunately instead of palatinose and rice-blabla it has maltodex and fructose mix ā¦
As i am handling carbs of any kind very well could i use this product instead of Surge Workout Fuel for the protocol to suck up water into the muscle?
maybe because of this type of carbs taking it 10 mins later than the original Surge Workout Fuel?
I doubt that it has the same things as Workout fuel. Yeah, maybe if you only look at carbs content. But that is only a small part of workout fuel. The phosphates, specific amino acids, beta-alanine etc. are as, if not more important than the carbs.
Not to mention that I donāt like to use fructose in a pre-workout drink.
it actually has the same phosphate and electrolyte ratio which is the things i took a look at the most, the only thing it lacks is the palatinose and rice carbs, AND unfortunatly there is no Beta-Alanine and Leucine in it.
i have actually nothing against fructose actually helped me getting through workouts for about a year i ate eiter a an apple or an orange + walnuts/almonds about an hour or a half before the workout
my question would be, what is more important to, the beta-ala and leucine, or the posphate/electolyte ingridients if it comes to sucking up water and nutrients into the muscle? - - I guess i can salute myself if the fuel-carbs are the ones that do the whole job because there is no way i can get my hands on fuel
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I believe CT has stated several times that, yes, it is the palationose/oligodextrin that pushes the nutrients into your muscles. And as for whether leucine or B-alanine is āmoreā important, the answer is niether (or should I say both) they both do two entirely seperate things. Leucine increases anabolism and B-alanine increases your production of carnsine, a major component of your muscles energy.
OK sorry if a similar question has already been asked but I am not reading 35 pages.
I am currently trying to bulk up to compete in higher weight classes (fed up with being the tall skinny guy in the division.) I have put on 10 kilos over the last year without apreciably increasing my BF.
My question is how much difference the minutae makes.
I work out hard 6 days a week (3 days lifting 3 days BJJ and Standup) and I eat pretty clean. I have to work hard to keep the calories up where I want them but I get most of them from food that I cook myself from raw ingredients.
My current Peri-Workout nutrition is to drink a caffine drink over the 20 mins before my workout then drink 500ml of water with 15g of whey and 30g of carbs (gatorade powder) during my workout and another the same straight after with 5g of creatine added.
I am in Mexico so it is hard to lay my hands on supplements and prices can be steep. Would it make a huge difference to me to be following the protocol you lay out more closely or would I be better served spending the money on food.
Also, are there any slight tweaks I could make at low cost that would make a difference?
Thanks!
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
OdinsMissingEye wrote:
Pretty sure the optimum protocol minus Anaconda is as follows:
-90 2 caps Alpha-GPC
-45 2 FINiBAR
-30 2 Scoops Surge Workout Fuel
-15 2 Scoops Surge Recovery (still not sure if this is 2 scoops or 2 servings)
During Workout sip on 20g CH
+60 12g CH
+90 Solid meal
Yes, thatās it.
[/quote]
Maybe minutia CT, but the +60 is supposed to be 12g CH? I thought I was reading 20g CH was the proper amount? Thatās what I have been doing.