Questions About Peri-Workout Nutrition

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Italiano wrote:
Thibs, for a pre-workout drink taken 15 minutes before training consisting of CH and carbs. Is there any advantage/disadvantage if the carb source is strictly all dextrose, or all maltodextrin, or would a 50/50 blend of both work best?

Thanks

I would go with dextrose, greater insulin spike[/quote]

What do you think about waxy maize?

882

[quote]BlakedaMan wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Italiano wrote:
Thibs, for a pre-workout drink taken 15 minutes before training consisting of CH and carbs. Is there any advantage/disadvantage if the carb source is strictly all dextrose, or all maltodextrin, or would a 50/50 blend of both work best?

Thanks

I would go with dextrose, greater insulin spike

What do you think about waxy maize?[/quote]

this thread has already discussed waxy maize, take a look through buddy

883

[quote]padrinho wrote:
BlakedaMan wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Italiano wrote:
Thibs, for a pre-workout drink taken 15 minutes before training consisting of CH and carbs. Is there any advantage/disadvantage if the carb source is strictly all dextrose, or all maltodextrin, or would a 50/50 blend of both work best?

Thanks

I would go with dextrose, greater insulin spike

What do you think about waxy maize?

this thread has already discussed waxy maize, take a look through buddy
[/quote]

Iā€™ve read almost the entire thread so I mustā€™ve missed it somehow. Could you point me to where it is?

884

[quote]BlakedaMan wrote:
padrinho wrote:
BlakedaMan wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Italiano wrote:
Thibs, for a pre-workout drink taken 15 minutes before training consisting of CH and carbs. Is there any advantage/disadvantage if the carb source is strictly all dextrose, or all maltodextrin, or would a 50/50 blend of both work best?

Thanks

I would go with dextrose, greater insulin spike

What do you think about waxy maize?

this thread has already discussed waxy maize, take a look through buddy

Iā€™ve read almost the entire thread so I mustā€™ve missed it somehow. Could you point me to where it is?[/quote]

I donā€™t remember reading it on this forum either. But I remember reading on another forum that waxy maize is not effective and a waste of money. CT says that itā€™s an overpriced carb. I would just stick to the dextrose. Thatā€™s my opinion, and thatā€™s what I think that CT would tell you.

Stay away from waxy maize. For what I think youā€™re looking for (an insulin spike) wazy maize would not be effective because itā€™s not really a fast acting carb, at all. Dextrose would be much better for an insulin spike, better yet Vitargo.

885

[quote]Costco77 wrote:
BlakedaMan wrote:
padrinho wrote:
BlakedaMan wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Italiano wrote:
Thibs, for a pre-workout drink taken 15 minutes before training consisting of CH and carbs. Is there any advantage/disadvantage if the carb source is strictly all dextrose, or all maltodextrin, or would a 50/50 blend of both work best?

Thanks

I would go with dextrose, greater insulin spike

What do you think about waxy maize?

this thread has already discussed waxy maize, take a look through buddy

Iā€™ve read almost the entire thread so I mustā€™ve missed it somehow. Could you point me to where it is?

I donā€™t remember reading it on this forum either. But I remember reading on another forum that waxy maize is not effective and a waste of money. CT says that itā€™s an overpriced carb. I would just stick to the dextrose. Thatā€™s my opinion, and thatā€™s what I think that CT would tell you.

Stay away from waxy maize. For what I think youā€™re looking for (an insulin spike) wazy maize would not be effective because itā€™s not really a fast acting carb, at all. Dextrose would be much better for an insulin spike, better yet Vitargo.

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Thanks for the input Costco. I was only asking him out of curiosity. I use Biotestā€™s products. Iā€™m not really sure how itā€™s seen as expensive though. Iā€™ve seen WMS for $3.50 a pound, so I was mostly asking from an effectiveness standpoint since Iā€™ve never used it.

886

I quess expensive from the standpoint that the wm doesnā€™t do what people think it does, or what the company claims that it does so it would be an expensive carb because it should be money not spent, money that you can put towards more Biotest products. lol

887

[quote]BlakedaMan wrote:
Costco77 wrote:
BlakedaMan wrote:
padrinho wrote:
BlakedaMan wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Italiano wrote:
Thibs, for a pre-workout drink taken 15 minutes before training consisting of CH and carbs. Is there any advantage/disadvantage if the carb source is strictly all dextrose, or all maltodextrin, or would a 50/50 blend of both work best?

Thanks

I would go with dextrose, greater insulin spike

What do you think about waxy maize?

this thread has already discussed waxy maize, take a look through buddy

Iā€™ve read almost the entire thread so I mustā€™ve missed it somehow. Could you point me to where it is?

I donā€™t remember reading it on this forum either. But I remember reading on another forum that waxy maize is not effective and a waste of money. CT says that itā€™s an overpriced carb. I would just stick to the dextrose. Thatā€™s my opinion, and thatā€™s what I think that CT would tell you.

Stay away from waxy maize. For what I think youā€™re looking for (an insulin spike) wazy maize would not be effective because itā€™s not really a fast acting carb, at all. Dextrose would be much better for an insulin spike, better yet Vitargo.

Thanks for the input Costco. I was only asking him out of curiosity. I use Biotestā€™s products. Iā€™m not really sure how itā€™s seen as expensive though. Iā€™ve seen WMS for $3.50 a pound, so I was mostly asking from an effectiveness standpoint since Iā€™ve never used it.
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I remember reading somewhere that WM has the same effectiveness as white Wonder bread. Waxy maize has much more scientitic evidence disproving itā€™s effectiveness and no scientific evidence proving itā€™s effectiveness. The scientific evidence showed that it was a slower carb than dextrose and multodexrin, and was the same speed as a peice of white wonder bread.

888

Just thought Iā€™d update everyone on my peri-workout nutrition progress. Iā€™ve done 3 workouts now using the following protocol:

W-90 Alpha-GPC 2 caps
W-45 2 FINiBAR
W-30 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel
W-15 2 Scoops Surge Recovery
W Sip on 20g casein
Wplus 60 12g casein hydrolysate / 5g leucine
Wplus 90 Solid Meal

Besides this I consume 4 other meals. 2 protein/carb before my workout and 2 protein/fat afterward.

Training wise Iā€™m using a 3 day split as follows:

Day 1: Arms
Day 2: Lower Body - Posterior Chain dominant
Day 3: Chest/Back - Horizontal Plane
Day 4: Off - Low protein day
Day 5: Shoulders/Abs
Day 6: Lower Body - Quad dominant
Day 7: Chest/Back - Vertical Plane
Day 8: off - repeat

Iā€™ve adjusted my routine so that every rep is lifted as explosively as possible. Also, Iā€™m working more in the lower rep range. Typically between 3-5 reps for compound movements although I have gone up to 8 reps for some movements.

One tip I have when consuming peri-workout nutrition is to use as little water as possible for the surge products. I noticed my first day I got a little nauseous after drinking both the Workout fuel and recovery so the next day I cut the water I used in half and felt much better during my workout.

After my workouts I feel pretty tired which is normal but an hour or two later I get tons of energy like Iā€™m on caffeine or something. I find this effect to be pretty great as the focus it gives me is an excellent study aid.

So I weighed myself today and after only 3 days Iā€™m up 2lbs. I havenā€™t changed the amount of calories Iā€™m consuming each day Iā€™ve just adjusted them for my peri-workout protocol. One thing Iā€™ve noticed is Iā€™m much thirstier throughout the days now and Iā€™m urinating less. Iā€™m assuming this is because my muscles are holding more water and carbs intramuscularly.

Looking forward to seeing what the coming weeks bring. Iā€™ll give another update in a couple of weeks.

889

Im wondering if adding receptor max would be a good thing. if so what type of timing would you use for it?

890

Hi Christian.

How would one go about setting up a peri-workout protocol using the following:

palatinose
waxy maize (pure)
whey protein hydrolysate
electrolyte mix
L-Leucine
creatine
reg. whey

I was thinking something along the lines of:

WO -45: 40 g palatinose + electrolytes
WO -15: 40 g waxy maize + 20 g whey hydrolysate + 5 g L-Leucine + 10 g creatine
during WO: 20 g waxy maize + 20 whey hydrolysate
WO +60: 50 g reg whey + 5 g L-Leucine
WO +90: solid meal of meat and veggies

and would beta-alanine be worth the investment, to add to the WO -15?

(PS. Im on a rather tight budget, and therefore cannot afford to use Surge Workout Fuel/Surge Recovery, but the mentioned products might be doable)

891

[quote]Mr.Melin wrote:
Hi Christian.

How would one go about setting up a peri-workout protocol using the following:

palatinose
waxy maize (pure)
whey protein hydrolysate
electrolyte mix
L-Leucine
creatine
reg. whey

I was thinking something along the lines of:

WO -45: 40 g palatinose + electrolytes
WO -15: 40 g waxy maize + 20 g whey hydrolysate + 5 g L-Leucine + 10 g creatine
during WO: 20 g waxy maize + 20 whey hydrolysate
WO +60: 50 g reg whey + 5 g L-Leucine
WO +90: solid meal of meat and veggies

and would beta-alanine be worth the investment, to add to the WO -15?

(PS. Im on a rather tight budget, and therefore cannot afford to use Surge Workout Fuel/Surge Recovery, but the mentioned products might be doable)[/quote]

concerning the waxy maize, its been said a couple times that it pretty much sucks (unless youā€™re using the Vitargo kind). you would be better off with dextrose

892

[quote]MAF14 wrote:
Mr.Melin wrote:
Hi Christian.

How would one go about setting up a peri-workout protocol using the following:

palatinose
waxy maize (pure)
whey protein hydrolysate
electrolyte mix
L-Leucine
creatine
reg. whey

I was thinking something along the lines of:

WO -45: 40 g palatinose + electrolytes
WO -15: 40 g waxy maize + 20 g whey hydrolysate + 5 g L-Leucine + 10 g creatine
during WO: 20 g waxy maize + 20 whey hydrolysate
WO +60: 50 g reg whey + 5 g L-Leucine
WO +90: solid meal of meat and veggies

and would beta-alanine be worth the investment, to add to the WO -15?

(PS. Im on a rather tight budget, and therefore cannot afford to use Surge Workout Fuel/Surge Recovery, but the mentioned products might be doable)

concerning the waxy maize, its been said a couple times that it pretty much sucks (unless youā€™re using the Vitargo kind). you would be better off with dextrose[/quote]

Not necessarily true. A lot of folks confirm that waxy maize does not cause bloating, which is huge for many of us that down so much fluid around the workout window.

893

Iā€™m sorry fellas but this system blows. My last two leg days Iā€™ve had to shorten my workout by 40%. I had to do everything in my power not to hurl right there on the gym floor.

My freind told me it was my body trying to rid itself of the digestive enzymes or something like that. Any Ideas how I can hold it down. Iā€™m getting really pissed off b/c itā€™s cutting into my most important day of lifting.

894

[quote]Ocelot82 wrote:
Iā€™m sorry fellas but this system blows. My last two leg days Iā€™ve had to shorten my workout by 40%. I had to do everything in my power not to hurl right there on the gym floor.

My freind told me it was my body trying to rid itself of the digestive enzymes or something like that. Any Ideas how I can hold it down. Iā€™m getting really pissed off b/c itā€™s cutting into my most important day of lifting.[/quote]

This happened to me on my first day. First suggestion, cut the amount of water you use in your Surge Workout Fuel and Surge Recovery down as much as possible. Basically it should be a syrup like consistency. If that doesnā€™t help space out the time you consume the food at by an additional 5 minutes. This should help digestion a bit.

895

I have no bloating, and see a ton of energy at the gym.

896

[quote]OdinsMissingEye wrote:
Ocelot82 wrote:
This happened to me on my first day. First suggestion, cut the amount of water you use in your Surge Workout Fuel and Surge Recovery down as much as possible. Basically it should be a syrup like consistency. If that doesnā€™t help space out the time you consume the food at by an additional 5 minutes. This should help digestion a bit.
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Ya it really sucks. Itā€™s a catch 22. I know if I go puke and come back the workout is on like donkey kong, but if I do I waste 2 servings of Surge Workout Fuel and 2 servings of Surge Recovery that I donā€™t have to waste like that. WTF do you do in that situation?

897

[quote]Ocelot82 wrote:
OdinsMissingEye wrote:
Ocelot82 wrote:
This happened to me on my first day. First suggestion, cut the amount of water you use in your Surge Workout Fuel and Surge Recovery down as much as possible. Basically it should be a syrup like consistency. If that doesnā€™t help space out the time you consume the food at by an additional 5 minutes. This should help digestion a bit.

Ya it really sucks. Itā€™s a catch 22. I know if I go puke and come back the workout is on like donkey kong, but if I do I waste 2 servings of Surge Workout Fuel and 1 serving of Surge Recovery that I donā€™t have to waste like that. WTF do you do in that situation?
[/quote]

Like I said, try cutting down on the water and space the servings out by an additional 5 minutes. That should help with the bloating/nauseous feeling.

898

Ocelot82,

I also had issues with nausea doing this protocl, but tried cutting my water with the Fuel/Recovery/Whey and now it seems to never be an issue. Try what others have chimed in with cutting your water and try again. It should solve the problem.

899

would using CH during the workout without an insulin spike (ketogenic diet) not be worth the cost?

900

Thatā€™s what I did this time man. I mixed 2 servs SWW in only 10-12 oz. I did almost the same with the Recovery. Iā€™m thinking next time Iā€™m going to try the normal SWF protocol and just 1 serving of Recovery during my workout. I hope it works OK. Like I said itā€™s my most important day of the week reduced 30-40%. Thatā€™s why I get pissed.

Thanks man.