He meant sucrolose…have you ever looked at the product labels? There IS sucralose in Biotest products i.e. both Surge variants, as well as Metabolic Drive…that being said, if one study convinces you that a chemical will kill you, then you might as well just go jump off a bridge friend because under those circumstances, we’re all fucked.
Thibs, first of all, I really admire you! I’m from Slovenia, by the way, and u are quite well known here, among the weightliftin’ society.
I just want to ask you, what do you think about this kind of protocol. We do things like this here (well, it depends which ‘‘guru’’ you follow).
So, i train in the morning, at about 9am. This is my meal plan, from 5am to 1pm:
1 - 5am 30g of whey + creatin (akg)
2 - 5.20 250g of low fat cottage cheese + 130g of oatmeal
3 - 07.45 1 hour prior to the workout - 40g of whey + 1g vit. c (some almonds, here and there)
4 - 08.45 20min before the wo - energy boosting supp. - coffeine, green tea, some bcaa yada yada (works great)/ when i have enough money to speng od supp’s, i use essential amino acids just before the workout - about 15g
5 - during the wo - 30g of maltodextrine, 20g of whey - i’m out of BCAA at the moment, before i used 20g ob BCAA
6 - post wo meal 1 - 60g maltodextrine, 40g whey, 6 caps of creatine akg
7 - post wo meal 2 (45min after the nr1) - repeat nr 1, without the creatine
8 - 60 min post meal nr.2 - 250g cottage cheese, low fat milk, 130g oat meal
I’ve been training with protocol similar like this for quite some time and I must say, it works.
I get my omega3, fats, ‘‘hard meals’’ in the afternoon. Altogether I eat 300g+ C, 300g P, 80g F (10g of omega3 included). This is a bit offtopic though.
[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:
He meant sucrolose…have you ever looked at the product labels? There IS sucralose in Biotest products i.e. both Surge variants, as well as Metabolic Drive…that being said, if one study convinces you that a chemical will kill you, then you might as well just go jump off a bridge friend because under those circumstances, we’re all fucked.[/quote]
yes i have… i know there’s some socralose but the amount of it isnt given(if there is a significant amount it should be stated i’d think). given that i assume its used as a sweetner… not a filler or anything of the matter. basically im trying to say i dont think theres enough to get worked up about
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
Davinci.v2 wrote:
He meant sucrolose…have you ever looked at the product labels? There IS sucralose in Biotest products i.e. both Surge variants, as well as Metabolic Drive…that being said, if one study convinces you that a chemical will kill you, then you might as well just go jump off a bridge friend because under those circumstances, we’re all fucked.
yes i have… i know there’s some socralose but the amount of it isnt given(if there is a significant amount it should be stated i’d think). given that i assume its used as a sweetner… not a filler or anything of the matter. basically im trying to say i dont think theres enough to get worked up about[/quote]
It’s at the bottom of the ingredient list on all of the products I listed meaning that it is one of the least plentiful in the product. I agree with you.
[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:
MAF14 wrote:
Davinci.v2 wrote:
He meant sucrolose…have you ever looked at the product labels? There IS sucralose in Biotest products i.e. both Surge variants, as well as Metabolic Drive…that being said, if one study convinces you that a chemical will kill you, then you might as well just go jump off a bridge friend because under those circumstances, we’re all fucked.
yes i have… i know there’s some socralose but the amount of it isnt given(if there is a significant amount it should be stated i’d think). given that i assume its used as a sweetner… not a filler or anything of the matter. basically im trying to say i dont think theres enough to get worked up about
It’s at the bottom of the ingredient list on all of the products I listed meaning that it is one of the least plentiful in the product. I agree with you.
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i see… btw huge improvements since last pics (no homo) good job
CT,
When would be the best time to take Receptormax during the Peri-workout supplement stack?
CT,
first, I would just like to point out that whenever I see an article on this site written by/dealing with you I tend to get very interested.
anyways, long story short, due to budgetary considerations the only supplements i have for the next month are as follows:
Casein hydrosylate mix-
30% whey protein isolate
40% Hydrolyzed Casein
10% Hydrolyzed Whey Protein High Grade
20% PeptoPro Hydrolyzed Caseinate
BCAA Powder (30 servings)
1 serving = 3.5g leucine, 2.5g glutamine, 1.75g valine, 1.75g isoleucine
whey protein isolate-
100% whey protein isolate
Casein mix (not so much for pulsing)
Calcium Caseinate 15%
Micellar Casein 70%
Whey Protein Isolate 15%
(and Flameout)
everything else must come from whole food sources.
I was wondering what a good peri-workout plan might be for someone trying to add mass using only these supplements and the rest of the peri-workout nutrition coming from whole foods.
you don’t have to get specific with foods to use peri-workout, maybe just general categories of what to eat when during/before the workout if possible.
that would be fantastic,
thank you very much in advance
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
Davinci.v2 wrote:
MAF14 wrote:
Davinci.v2 wrote:
He meant sucrolose…have you ever looked at the product labels? There IS sucralose in Biotest products i.e. both Surge variants, as well as Metabolic Drive…that being said, if one study convinces you that a chemical will kill you, then you might as well just go jump off a bridge friend because under those circumstances, we’re all fucked.
yes i have… i know there’s some socralose but the amount of it isnt given(if there is a significant amount it should be stated i’d think). given that i assume its used as a sweetner… not a filler or anything of the matter. basically im trying to say i dont think theres enough to get worked up about
It’s at the bottom of the ingredient list on all of the products I listed meaning that it is one of the least plentiful in the product. I agree with you.
i see… btw huge improvements since last pics (no homo) good job[/quote]
Thanks
Coach
What is the best way to intake glycine, creatine and PS in a AM/PM split (heavy/light)?
Thanks
Coach
What is the best way to intake glycine, creatine and PS in a AM/PM split (heavy/light)?
Thanks
Thib, wondering what would be the purpose of taking casein hydrolysate over whey hydrolysate? Casein is a slower absorbing protein than whey.
[quote]Costco77 wrote:
Thib, wondering what would be the purpose of taking casein hydrolysate over whey hydrolysate? Casein is a slower absorbing protein than whey.
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Read first, post later.
Casein HYDROLYSATE is the “fastest” protein available. Read the thread. Tons of info.
Hey guys, currently I’m trying to gain LBM and am at about 10% BF. Was hoping someone could critique my current Peri-Workout Nutrition plan.
For Chest/Bicep/Leg Days
W-45 2 FINiBAR
W-30 2 Scoop Surge Workout Fuel
W-15 2 1 Serving Surge Recovery +5g creatine
W Sip on 20g casein hydrolysate+ 5g leucine + 30g dextrose
W+60 20g casein hydrolysate + 5g leucine +5g creatine
W+90 8oz Solid Meal
For my arm and shoulder
W-45 2 FINiBAR
W-30 1 Scoop Surge Workout Fuel
W-15 1 Serving Surge Recovery +5g creatine
W Sip on 20g casein hydrolysate+ 5g leucine + 30g dextrose
W+60 20g casein hydrolysate + 5g leucine + 5g creatine
W+90 Solid Meal
Hopefully that looks pretty good. Just curious if there would be a problem if I added 30g of dextrose during my workout to help get more calories in.
Is the protocol the same for women? Would you advise to half the recommendations?
Also, I just wanted to clarify one thing. When you are saying 2 scoops of Surge Recovery do you actually mean 2 scoops or do you mean 2 servings? The label says 1 serving is 3 scoops so I just wanted to make sure.
Btw, 2 servings = 680 cals, 50g protein, 92g carbs, 5g fat
2 scoops approx. 227 cals, 17g pro, 31g carbs, 2g fat
Holy crap, just got done working out following a very bastardized form of peri-workout nutrition and I am shocked.
Again, this was my best attempt at mimicking the Biotest model:
W-45min 16oz whole milk
W-30 Apple juice + 5g leucine
W-15 25g whey protein, 50g dextrose
W half way through 25g whey protein, 50g dextrose
The first half of my workout went pretty normal but during the second half I started getting a crazy pump in my arms. It was amazing because I didn’t do much volume, just a few sets after my shoulders. As I was driving home my arms still felt crazy pumped like I had just completed a set. All I have to say is I can’t wait to get my shipment from Biotest to see how much better the real stuff works.
Hey CT, Just wondering how you thought of this different type of protocol, how long have you been doing your protocol this way? And how did you notice that this was the better way to do it? What kind of results did you notice by changing the protocol?
Christian,
Do you have any thoughts on whether we can use the peri-workout guidelines you’ve posted for strength goals & performance/skill work or is it mainly for size/bodybuilding? If so, how (if at all) would you alter said protocol if a workout consists of boxing, 15 min of rest, then followed by wrestling? Would you use the same strategies and just sip slower during the workout? Or is this only optimal for days you’re doing 50 min weight sessions?
Thanks!
Any thoughts on NOW Electro Pro until we get the Biotest CH?
[quote]Mouldsie wrote:
Any thoughts on NOW Electro Pro until we get the Biotest CH?
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NOW is one of those questionable brands, they have a bad reputation among the industry. I don’t know if they changed their ways yet.
I’d save the money until you know what you are buying is good quality.