Questions About Peri-Workout Nutrition

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I’ve been following the Para Workout protocol for a couple weeks now. As some of you may know before, I was doing Surge Workout Fuel before and Surge Recovery after workouts.

I’m feeling better and better on this new protocol but there is one thing that is hard for me to do. I was used to having my Surge Recovery after workouts and then when it was time to eat again, I would crave carbs like a madman, I mean I would just straight up gorge on carbs.

I get the same feeling while following the new protocol, once it’s time for a whole food meal after the para workout routine, my body craves carbs like crazy.

Has anyone else experienced this?

I know it is recomended that we eat P+F and veggies the whole food meal after para workout, but I feel strange when eating P+F at this time, it feels like it’s some how “going against the grain”. My body is screaming for P+C!

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[quote]KeepAwaySheeple wrote:
I’ve been following the Para Workout protocol for a couple weeks now. As some of you may know before, I was doing Surge Workout Fuel before and Surge Recovery after workouts.

I’m feeling better and better on this new protocol but there is one thing that is hard for me to do. I was used to having my Surge Recovery after workouts and then when it was time to eat again, I would crave carbs like a madman, I mean I would just straight up gorge on carbs.

I get the same feeling while following the new protocol, once it’s time for a whole food meal after the para workout routine, my body craves carbs like crazy.

Has anyone else experienced this?

I know it is recomended that we eat P+F and veggies the whole food meal after para workout, but I feel strange when eating P+F at this time, it feels like it’s some how “going against the grain”. My body is screaming for P+C![/quote]

see thats what im confused about. I thought we were supposed to have P+F 9- min after our workout, but then i read CT telling someone absolutely to eat a P+C after the workout…i just finished my workout, so hopefully we get an answer in the next 80 minutes lol

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[quote]gsxtacy wrote:
KeepAwaySheeple wrote:
I’ve been following the Para Workout protocol for a couple weeks now. As some of you may know before, I was doing Surge Workout Fuel before and Surge Recovery after workouts.

I’m feeling better and better on this new protocol but there is one thing that is hard for me to do. I was used to having my Surge Recovery after workouts and then when it was time to eat again, I would crave carbs like a madman, I mean I would just straight up gorge on carbs.

I get the same feeling while following the new protocol, once it’s time for a whole food meal after the para workout routine, my body craves carbs like crazy.

Has anyone else experienced this?

I know it is recomended that we eat P+F and veggies the whole food meal after para workout, but I feel strange when eating P+F at this time, it feels like it’s some how “going against the grain”. My body is screaming for P+C!

see thats what im confused about. I thought we were supposed to have P+F 9- min after our workout, but then i read CT telling someone absolutely to eat a P+C after the workout…i just finished my workout, so hopefully we get an answer in the next 80 minutes lol
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I read earlier that p+c meals are to be eaten early in the day. A p+c meal might come into play postworkout should you lift earlier in the day, but p+c meals should still be limited to the first half of the day or so (outside of the paraworkout protocol) and p+f meals in the latter half of the day. If you are lifting later in the day, a p+f meal would be more appropriate.

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[quote]gsxtacy wrote:
see thats what im confused about. I thought we were supposed to have P+F 9- min after our workout, but then i read CT telling someone absolutely to eat a P+C after the workout…i just finished my workout, so hopefully we get an answer in the next 80 minutes lol
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LOL, ya me too, it was chest day!! Give me some answers.

625

Thibs,
Given that for now, I only have access to Grow!, Surge Recovery and Creatine, what do you suggest is a possible temporary workout protocol to maximise my workout performance and recovery.

Thanks in advance for any advice

626

hey coach
can you point me in the right direction for the new Periworkout protocol for the Get jacked Program

or is it the one you reccomend except go with one scoop of Surge and Recovery.

the program worked great and I have been off of it for about 6 weeks but since my dermatologist suggested a small amount of lipo I thought I should begin this again to get down to 8%.

2nd question. Do you typically reccomend to your clients to get lean less than 10% BF first before beginning a program like the I bodybuilder soon to come out.

thanks

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[quote]brmnstl wrote:
hey coach
can you point me in the right direction for the new Periworkout protocol for the Get jacked Program

or is it the one you reccomend except go with one scoop of Surge and Recovery.

the program worked great and I have been off of it for about 6 weeks but since my dermatologist suggested a small amount of lipo I thought I should begin this again to get down to 8%.

2nd question. Do you typically reccomend to your clients to get lean less than 10% BF first before beginning a program like the I bodybuilder soon to come out.

thanks[/quote]
Both these questions ahve been answered man.

  1. Thibs recommends the protocol for any workout. Do the etreme one for lagging body parts (1-3 times a week) and the other for all other workouts.

  2. CT isnt a stickler for the 10% rule, I believe he said 12 or a little over is acceptable.

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Glad the para-workout protocol is working for you. Do you now find it an improvement on your prior routine of Surge Workout Fuel prior and Surge Recovery after, in terms of workout energy, pump, building muscle, etc?

As far as the P+C meal after workout, I am sure you could experiment with that and decide based on body comp changes. Especially if you swap out some of the morning carbs to PWO meal. There is usually a trade off with any new system we adopt. Pros and cons, so to speak. Nothing says that you can’t do a little trial and error tweaking however.

Remember, we all have individual physiologies and respond differently. Have your much desired P+C meal post workout when your body cries out for it for a while and assess any resulting body comp changes for better or worse. You will then be in a great position to decide when to consume your carbs.

[quote]KeepAwaySheeple wrote:
I’ve been following the Para Workout protocol for a couple weeks now. As some of you may know before, I was doing Surge Workout Fuel before and Surge Recovery after workouts.

I’m feeling better and better on this new protocol but there is one thing that is hard for me to do. I was used to having my Surge Recovery after workouts and then when it was time to eat again, I would crave carbs like a madman, I mean I would just straight up gorge on carbs.

I get the same feeling while following the new protocol, once it’s time for a whole food meal after the para workout routine, my body craves carbs like crazy.

Has anyone else experienced this?

I know it is recomended that we eat P+F and veggies the whole food meal after para workout, but I feel strange when eating P+F at this time, it feels like it’s some how “going against the grain”. My body is screaming for P+C![/quote]

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[quote]gsxtacy wrote:
brmnstl wrote:

  1. Thibs recommends the protocol for any workout. Do the etreme one for lagging body parts (1-3 times a week) and the other for all other workouts.

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Actually, the protocol on the 1st page has changed according to Thib’s experiment, I think.

The thing on the first page is not really what is recommended anymore

Correct one :

-90 Alpha-GPC
-45 2 FINiBARs
-30 2scoops Surge Workout Fuel
-15 2scoops Surge Recovery
During workout : 2scoops Anaconda (If not avalaible 1scoop Surge Workout Fuel + 20g casein hydrolysate/leucine)
+60 20g casein hydrolysate

You can also go 1 of everything or 3 of everything depending on what you want

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[quote]gsxtacy wrote:

2nd question. Do you typically reccomend to your clients to get lean less than 10% BF first before beginning a program like the I bodybuilder soon to come out.

  1. CT isnt a stickler for the 10% rule, I believe he said 12 or a little over is acceptable.

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True. It all boils down to personal preferences. I personally know that I can’t live with myself if I’m over 10%… heck, I barely tolerate being AT 10%. So to me going up to 12% or, God forbid, 15% would actually put me under psychological stress! Not to mention that professionally, I’m more credible when I’m lean.

Other people can actually handle fairly well being in the 12-15%, and even 15-18% range when trying to put on size. Heck, I’ve seen Sebastien (Dafreak) get into miserable shape between two contests, but he always pull off being in shape on contest day. That’s another thing; if you KNOW with 100% certainty that you can get into fantastic shape (as in you’ve done it numerous times already) you have a bit more room to play with.

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
gsxtacy wrote:

2nd question. Do you typically reccomend to your clients to get lean less than 10% BF first before beginning a program like the I bodybuilder soon to come out.

  1. CT isnt a stickler for the 10% rule, I believe he said 12 or a little over is acceptable.

True. It all boils down to personal preferences. I personally know that I can’t live with myself if I’m over 10%… heck, I barely tolerate being AT 10%. So to me going up to 12% or, God forbid, 15% would actually put me under psychological stress! Not to mention that professionally, I’m more credible when I’m lean.

Other people can actually handle fairly well being in the 12-15%, and even 15-18% range when trying to put on size. Heck, I’ve seen Sebastien (Dafreak) get into miserable shape between two contests, but he always pull off being in shape on contest day. That’s another thing; if you KNOW with 100% certainty that you can get into fantastic shape (as in you’ve done it numerous times already) you have a bit more room to play with.[/quote]

And when you say miserable you’re still kind!!

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Thib,

How do you recommend the average guy without a trainer track his body fat % on a weekly basis?

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[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
Glad the para-workout protocol is working for you. Do you now find it an improvement on your prior routine of Surge Workout Fuel prior and Surge Recovery after, in terms of workout energy, pump, building muscle, etc?

As far as the P+C meal after workout, I am sure you could experiment with that and decide based on body comp changes. Especially if you swap out some of the morning carbs to PWO meal. There is usually a trade off with any new system we adopt. Pros and cons, so to speak. Nothing says that you can’t do a little trial and error tweaking however.

Remember, we all have individual physiologies and respond differently. Have your much desired P+C meal post workout when your body cries out for it for a while and assess any resulting body comp changes for better or worse. You will then be in a great position to decide when to consume your carbs.
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Thanks, I’d really like to give this protocol a solid month before I give my results.

I’m also doing the protein pulsing with CHY.

I keep track of all my progress so I definetly don’t just go off of “feeling”. I go off numbers and progress in the gym.

As far as a better “pump” goes, I don’t notice anything different, I’ve always managed to get great pumps from training. Although it feels great, I could really care less how pumped I get. I want results in most importantly strength and second, size.

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CT

Could you, and if so how, use this protocol for a rugby match or even rugby training to optimise performance and recovery? Also, how would you recommend eating on the day of a game (usually 2 o’clock kick off)? I read you advised eating all fruit to someone doing an army fitness test, would this be the same?

On a side note, did you ever figure out how to better manage to reduce nerves during olympic lifting competitions? I read you felt they used to really impact on your performance…I suffer really badly too (throw up pre game etc) so any ideas would be fantastic… Thanks.

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CT,

I’ve just completed the initial 4 weeks of the v-diet and was ready to move into the first week of the transition phase next week. I’m excited to kick off this protocol now - so what are the chances of a nasty rebound, and is there anything you would suggest to do if there was.

Thanks in advance.

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Hey Thibs, I just tried the para workout nutrition protocal consisting of alpha-gpc: -90, finbar: -60, SWF: -30, SR: -15 - thats as far as I got cause after finishing the SWF I started to feel a little light headed then after finishing the SR for some reason made my stomach sick and bloated, I went ahead to go workout but while warming up I couldn’t even hold an empty bar without feeling all shakey, weak, and like I was going to throw up.

Thats when my stomach got real sick and I had to visit the head. I tried it again with less water but still ended up the same. Am I doing something wrong, or should I change something, its kinda frustrating to take 100-150 grams of carbs and sugar and not workout and have them just spike insulin and get turned to fat. What should I do.

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[quote]David02 wrote:
Hey Thibs, I just tried the para workout nutrition protocal consisting of alpha-gpc: -90, finbar: -60, SWF: -30, SR: -15 - thats as far as I got cause after finishing the SWF I started to feel a little light headed then after finishing the SR for some reason made my stomach sick and bloated, I went ahead to go workout but while warming up I couldn’t even hold an empty bar without feeling all shakey, weak, and like I was going to throw up.

Thats when my stomach got real sick and I had to visit the head. I tried it again with less water but still ended up the same. Am I doing something wrong, or should I change something, its kinda frustrating to take 100-150 grams of carbs and sugar and not workout and have them just spike insulin and get turned to fat. What should I do. [/quote]

Try spreading the timing out. Maybe -

-90 1 Finibar
-60 Alpha GPC
-45 Surge Workout Fuel
-15 Surge Recovery

If you still feel like crap, try lowering the Surge Workout Fuel to 1 scoop and Surge Recovery to 1 scoop at -15 and 1 scoop sipped during training.

I know exactly what you mean about the feelings you are experiencing. I’ve tweaked the timing a little similar to the above and feel much better. I mix with the least amount of water possible for the SWF and SR before the workout.

It takes a little while getting used to starting your training with all that in your stomach, I believe however that the benefits of this nutrtition outweighs a little discomfort during training. From my experience you have to kind of ease into this new protocol and listen to your body. If drinking the next sequence feels like way too much, wait a little longer before ingesting, I think the most crucial part of this protocol is beggining your heavy working sets as close to 15 minutes after the Surge Recovery is taken as possible. This is what really spikes the insulin up and this is when you want the training to take place, when insulin is at it’s peak. The Surge Workout Fuel can be taken in my opinion up to 60 minutes before training. I still feel the same during workouts when ingesting SWF an hour before training or 30 minutes before training. Again, a little time spacing will do wonders for your stomach.

I still experience slight discomfort, however it’s not enough to keep me from intense training and it’s certainly not keeping me from breaking through barriers on lifts.

Try the timing above and see how it works.

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Coach, I have a question about the protocol (I couldn’t find the answer in the thread, but it is so big I may have missed it). The Alpha-GPC: do you take 2 capsules or 2 servings. I ask this because I ordered a 2 month supply of the entire protocol today (minus the Anaconda of course) and remembered the ad for Alpha-GPC saying 900-1200 mg was recommended and want to know if I should go ahead and order more.

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Just a little update.

I’ve continued to due this protocol and I’m killing it in the gym - making big PRs every single session and making sure to progress - and I STILL don’t get sore! I honestly keep having an itch to hit the weight room more than I am, like I feel I haven’t done enough (mind you the stress of the work I’m doing is much higher than typical training for me). This is really really incredible stuff. I can’t wait for Anaconda to come out to do I, BODYBUILDER.

For those curious, I’ve been doing the following for the past four weeks:

7:30am (upon waking; W-90): 1 scoop Recovery and 2 caps A-GPC
8:00am (W-60): 2 FINiBARS
8:30am (W-30): 2 scoops Workout Fuel
8:50am (W-10): 2 scoops Recovery
During WO: 20g casein hydro
W+60: 20g casein hydro

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[quote]BlakedaMan wrote:
Just a little update.

I’ve continued to due this protocol and I’m killing it in the gym - making big PRs every single session and making sure to progress - and I STILL don’t get sore! I honestly keep having an itch to hit the weight room more than I am, like I feel I haven’t done enough (mind you the stress of the work I’m doing is much higher than typical training for me). This is really really incredible stuff. I can’t wait for Anaconda to come out to do I, BODYBUILDER.

For those curious, I’ve been doing the following for the past four weeks:

7:30am (upon waking; W-90): 1 scoop Recovery and 2 caps A-GPC
8:00am (W-60): 2 FINiBARS
8:30am (W-30): 2 scoops Workout Fuel
8:50am (W-10): 2 scoops Recovery
During WO: 20g casein hydro
W+60: 20g casein hydro
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Very nice! Can’t wait either :slight_smile:

Yesterday I did 3 resp with 528 pounds on the deadlift for the first time in like 10 years. Last time I did that I was almost 20 pounds heavier than I am now (242 compared to 222 now).

Bodyweight up 13 pounds in 7 weeks.