[quote]KeepAwaySheeple wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
The L-Leucine is taken WITH the casein, not INSTEAD of the Surge Workout Fuel.
Pardon my ignorance on this but just to clarify -
During workout sip -
L-Leucine + Surge Workout Fuel + Casein Hydrolysate?
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I’m also curious about this. Reading through the last page of the thread I’m confused as to what’s the best protocol to consume during training until Anaconda comes out.
i know it was stated earlier in the thread, but i cant find it. anyone know how much Grow! is equal to casein hydroslate
[quote]michaellongo14 wrote:
i know it was stated earlier in the thread, but i cant find it. anyone know how much Grow! is equal to casein hydroslate[/quote]
No amount of Grow! is equal to casein hydroslate, it is just a different protein all together, from what I’ve seen 35-40 grams of other proteins is the equivalent dosage to get a response but not close to the response that casein would provide.
what would be the best combination of Biotest supps to maximize gains? I’ve got a good diet, and I eat sufficiently, 2 grams protein per pound of body weight, around 5000 calories per day. So saying that I am only taking protein and creatine right now, what would be the best choices??? my goal is to gain 20lbs or more of muscle mass before the end of the year. I’m lean, 7% bodyfat, 184lbs. I don’t have any problems taking any of the supplements I have tried so far. Money is no problem.
p.s. I workout 4-5 days a week.
[quote]biggie13 wrote:
what would be the best combination of Biotest supps to maximize gains? I’ve got a good diet, and I eat sufficiently, 2 grams protein per pound of body weight, around 5000 calories per day. So saying that I am only taking protein and creatine right now, what would be the best choices??? my goal is to gain 20lbs or more of muscle mass before the end of the year. I’m lean, 7% bodyfat, 184lbs. I don’t have any problems taking any of the supplements I have tried so far. Money is no problem.[/quote]
mmmmm let me think…
I dont know maybe…
read this thread ?
Coach,
Would carb cycling be necessary while using your para-workout nutrition protocol? If I worked out 4 days a week, should my diet be consistent with the other 3 days, aside from the para-workout supplementation, or would I up the carbs further on training days?
[quote]zraw wrote:
biggie13 wrote:
what would be the best combination of Biotest supps to maximize gains? I’ve got a good diet, and I eat sufficiently, 2 grams protein per pound of body weight, around 5000 calories per day. So saying that I am only taking protein and creatine right now, what would be the best choices??? my goal is to gain 20lbs or more of muscle mass before the end of the year. I’m lean, 7% bodyfat, 184lbs. I don’t have any problems taking any of the supplements I have tried so far. Money is no problem.
mmmmm let me think…
I dont know maybe…
read this thread ?
[/quote]
I think that guy deserves a knock upside the head for asking a question like that…
[quote]skohcl wrote:
zraw wrote:
biggie13 wrote:
what would be the best combination of Biotest supps to maximize gains? I’ve got a good diet, and I eat sufficiently, 2 grams protein per pound of body weight, around 5000 calories per day. So saying that I am only taking protein and creatine right now, what would be the best choices??? my goal is to gain 20lbs or more of muscle mass before the end of the year. I’m lean, 7% bodyfat, 184lbs. I don’t have any problems taking any of the supplements I have tried so far. Money is no problem.
mmmmm let me think…
I dont know maybe…
read this thread ?
I think that guy deserves a knock upside the head for asking a question like that…[/quote]
he’s a noob jus like me. CT recommends different things for different people. CT, i think i found a solution. given the protocol for gaining maximum muscle(the one u nd italiano recommended, not the one u recommended 7/01), i think i’ve been able to reach the nutrients each day. 3000 cals seemed like an unreachable chore to me, but u definitely make it seem easier to reach the goal. i know u may say in yur head i should read the other posts but i have read them and i know what u recommended for them may not work for me.
so given i work out 3 days a week, struggle to reach six meals a day, wat wo nutrition protocol would u recommend for me if i can either use only whey protein nd creatine or $60 a month?(i can get whey protein for $40 10 lb nd creatine $19 for a six month supply. must’ve said somethin wrong as my posts arent being replied but each reply u decide to give is very much appreciated.
[quote]Therizza wrote:
Coach,
Would carb cycling be necessary while using your para-workout nutrition protocol? If I worked out 4 days a week, should my diet be consistent with the other 3 days, aside from the para-workout supplementation, or would I up the carbs further on training days?[/quote]
Well, really the para-workout protocol takes care of the carbs needed for the workout. The full version provides something like 120-150g of carbs. So even if you keep the rest of your daily intake the same as for non-workout days it does constitute carbs cycling simply because of the additional 120-150g from the protocol.
[quote]vcjha wrote:
skohcl wrote:
zraw wrote:
biggie13 wrote:
what would be the best combination of Biotest supps to maximize gains? I’ve got a good diet, and I eat sufficiently, 2 grams protein per pound of body weight, around 5000 calories per day. So saying that I am only taking protein and creatine right now, what would be the best choices??? my goal is to gain 20lbs or more of muscle mass before the end of the year. I’m lean, 7% bodyfat, 184lbs. I don’t have any problems taking any of the supplements I have tried so far. Money is no problem.
mmmmm let me think…
I dont know maybe…
read this thread ?
I think that guy deserves a knock upside the head for asking a question like that…
he’s a noob jus like me. CT recommends different things for different people. CT, i think i found a solution. given the protocol for gaining maximum muscle(the one u nd italiano recommended, not the one u recommended 7/01), i think i’ve been able to reach the nutrients each day. 3000 cals seemed like an unreachable chore to me, but u definitely make it seem easier to reach the goal. i know u may say in yur head i should read the other posts but i have read them and i know what u recommended for them may not work for me.
so given i work out 3 days a week, struggle to reach six meals a day, wat wo nutrition protocol would u recommend for me if i can either use only whey protein nd creatine or $60 a month?(i can get whey protein for $40 10 lb nd creatine $19 for a six month supply. must’ve said somethin wrong as my posts arent being replied but each reply u decide to give is very much appreciated.[/quote]
I you can’t afford to get at least 3000kcals per day, dump the creatine.
Seriously you don’t seem to understand that you need nutrients to build muscle.
Creatine DOESN’T BUILD MUSCLE. It is merely an substrate that helps you maintain a maximal effort for 2-3 seconds more, and recover a bit faster between sets. The immediate weight gain from creatine is water weight, nothing more.
And even if it could directly build muscle (which it doesn’t) without the required nutrients it would not be able to build any muscle. It would be like having a construction crew without an bricks to build a house.
thank you so much again ct. greatly appreciated. it’s not that i couldn’t afford to get 3000 cals. it’s just that yur nutrient guidelines (1.25 g per lb of protein, 1.25 g of carbs per lb, and 80-90 g of fat) makes it seem easier to reach on my part and for some reason, make it seem like the refridgerator isnt being cleaned out. also, i think ive posted this before, but am i right when the protocol u recommended on 7/03 is only for gaining muscle while keeping fat at bay and the one u recommended for me is for gaining maximum muscle mass? it would seem like i jus answered my own question, but im asking u which would u recommend for me now?
and lastly, given $60 a month for supplements and the fact i may need 2-3 scoops of whey protein a day(almost everyone uses 2-3 a day, and my mom would freak out if i ate more than a pound of meat a day), what supplements would u recommend and what protocol would u recommend for them? thanks so much again ct, and i look forward to yur next reply.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Creatine DOESN’T BUILD MUSCLE. It is merely an substrate that helps you maintain a maximal effort for 2-3 seconds more, and recover a bit faster between sets. The immediate weight gain from creatine is water weight, nothing more.
.[/quote]
So what CP said about creatine contributing to protein synthesis, is in your opinion, wrong?
[quote]hotdog.350 wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Creatine DOESN’T BUILD MUSCLE. It is merely an substrate that helps you maintain a maximal effort for 2-3 seconds more, and recover a bit faster between sets. The immediate weight gain from creatine is water weight, nothing more.
.
So what CP said about creatine contributing to protein synthesis, is in your opinion, wrong?[/quote]
There is some evidence that creatine could help start up the protein synthesis process by increasing intramuscular pressure.
One theory state that muscle cell swelling leads to protein synthesis. So according to this theory anything that swells up the muscle (increased fluid and nutrients retention in the muscle) would help stimulate protein synthesis.
While an interesting theory, the jury is still out on whether it is true or not.
[quote]vcjha wrote:
thank you so much again ct. greatly appreciated. it’s not that i couldn’t afford to get 3000 cals. it’s just that yur nutrient guidelines (1.25 g per lb of protein, 1.25 g of carbs per lb, and 80-90 g of fat) makes it seem easier to reach on my part and for some reason, make it seem like the refridgerator isnt being cleaned out. also, i think ive posted this before, but am i right when the protocol u recommended on 7/03 is only for gaining muscle while keeping fat at bay and the one u recommended for me is for gaining maximum muscle mass? it would seem like i jus answered my own question, but im asking u which would u recommend for me now?
and lastly, given $60 a month for supplements and the fact i may need 2-3 scoops of whey protein a day(almost everyone uses 2-3 a day, and my mom would freak out if i ate more than a pound of meat a day), what supplements would u recommend and what protocol would u recommend for them? thanks so much again ct, and i look forward to yur next reply. [/quote]
You misunderstood my recommendations.
It is 1.25g of protein and carbs and 80-90g of fat OUTSIDE OF MY RECOMMENDED PARA-WORKOUT PROTOCOL which provides around 120-150g of carbs and around 100g of protein.
So on workout days the recommendations would really be:
1.25g + 100g (para-workout) of protein
1.25g + 120-150g (paraworkout) of carbs
80-90g of fat
How are you guys stomaching these supplements? I’ve always hated powders and now even more. I am trying this protocol but having trouble drinking the protein drinks, and leucine. Since not trying to mix with anything.
I know there’s a lot on here about specific routines, but for someone with the supplies only for pulsing (CH/Leucine) would it be advisable to pulse just prior to or during my workout? Until this program comes out I can’t afford to spend anymore on supplements without knowing what may be rendered less useful upon purchase. I also have dextrose/whey available to me if these could be of better use. From what I’ve gathered pulsing may be just as useful.
Thanks for the massive help you’ve done this forum, I’ve only just stumbled upon this sub-forum a few days ago and it has TOTALLY changed my perspective on things. You are the MAN Thib!
CT has stated that if you have to get one thing right, it should be the para workout nutrition. That will give you the biggest bang for your buck.
[quote]Patrickahn wrote:
I know there’s a lot on here about specific routines, but for someone with the supplies only for pulsing (CH/Leucine) would it be advisable to pulse just prior to or during my workout? Until this program comes out I can’t afford to spend anymore on supplements without knowing what may be rendered less useful upon purchase. I also have dextrose/whey available to me if these could be of better use. From what I’ve gathered pulsing may be just as useful.
Thanks for the massive help you’ve done this forum, I’ve only just stumbled upon this sub-forum a few days ago and it has TOTALLY changed my perspective on things. You are the MAN Thib![/quote]
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
vcjha wrote:
thank you so much again ct. greatly appreciated. it’s not that i couldn’t afford to get 3000 cals. it’s just that yur nutrient guidelines (1.25 g per lb of protein, 1.25 g of carbs per lb, and 80-90 g of fat) makes it seem easier to reach on my part and for some reason, make it seem like the refridgerator isnt being cleaned out. also, i think ive posted this before, but am i right when the protocol u recommended on 7/03 is only for gaining muscle while keeping fat at bay and the one u recommended for me is for gaining maximum muscle mass? it would seem like i jus answered my own question, but im asking u which would u recommend for me now?
and lastly, given $60 a month for supplements and the fact i may need 2-3 scoops of whey protein a day(almost everyone uses 2-3 a day, and my mom would freak out if i ate more than a pound of meat a day), what supplements would u recommend and what protocol would u recommend for them? thanks so much again ct, and i look forward to yur next reply.
You misunderstood my recommendations.
It is 1.25g of protein and carbs and 80-90g of fat OUTSIDE OF MY RECOMMENDED PARA-WORKOUT PROTOCOL which provides around 120-150g of carbs and around 100g of protein.
So on workout days the recommendations would really be:
1.25g + 100g (para-workout) of protein
1.25g + 120-150g (paraworkout) of carbs
80-90g of fat[/quote]
CT,
I have read your recommendations as quoted above and read the entire thread, the one thing im still confused on is when is the ideal time to consume our carbs outside of paraworkout… before, after, or spread throughout the day?
Also, what types of carbs do you recommend for optimal gains, or are they just common sense carbs (nothing is more advantageous then another)
Thank you for your time.
CT,
How would you arrange a day of eating per these recommendations?
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
You misunderstood my recommendations.
It is 1.25g of protein and carbs and 80-90g of fat OUTSIDE OF MY RECOMMENDED PARA-WORKOUT PROTOCOL which provides around 120-150g of carbs and around 100g of protein.
So on workout days the recommendations would really be:
1.25g + 100g (para-workout) of protein
1.25g + 120-150g (paraworkout) of carbs
80-90g of fat[/quote]