Anyone having any digestion problems with the new protocol? I know we’ve got a few reports of stomach discomfort during training… but yeah…
Hey guys I would appreciate any input in the protocal if I was to start this today what to you think?
6am - PULSE. 5g Leucine 5mins later Whey isolate
6:30 - Relatively easily absorbed protein source (the leaner, the faster)
Fruit, veggies, small amount of nuts or beans
9:00 - PULSE. 5g Leucine 5mins later whey isolate
9:30 - Fruit, veggies
11:45 -Relatively easily absorbed protein source (the leaner, the faster)
15:00 W -90 Alpha-GPC
W-45 2 FINiBARs
W-30 2scoops Surge Workout Fuel
W-15 2scoops Surge Recovery
-During workout 20g casein hydro
60 mins PWo 1-2 scoops Grow! Whey/leucine
20:30 - 200-300g red meat, green veggies, fish oil
22:00- Before bed: Low-carbs Metabolic Drive (2 scoops), fish oil
As for my off days, I just make sure to get 3 pulses during the day and 3 solid meals.
[quote]skohcl wrote:
Anyone having any digestion problems with the new protocol? I know we’ve got a few reports of stomach discomfort during training… but yeah…[/quote]
I was actually going to bring this up while following Sheeple’s posts. I’m contstantly burping this stuff up and feel bloated especially after I finish the SR. It’s just too much. I tried spreading it out like Sheeple said but all that does is get me real sleepy by the time I even get to the Surge Recovery.
Also the Surge WF makes me real light headed after I take it, but I don’t feel it’s an insulin surge or sugar rush. Can’t really determine what it is, just kind of a spacey feeling.
I always did the old Gatorade and whey isolate combo recommended by Berardi a long time ago and them seemed to work perfect for me.
Anyone with any suggestions?
[quote]as wrote:
skohcl wrote:
Anyone having any digestion problems with the new protocol? I know we’ve got a few reports of stomach discomfort during training… but yeah…
I was actually going to bring this up while following Sheeple’s posts. I’m contstantly burping this stuff up and feel bloated especially after I finish the SR. It’s just too much. I tried spreading it out like Sheeple said but all that does is get me real sleepy by the time I even get to the Surge Recovery.
Also the Surge WF makes me real light headed after I take it, but I don’t feel it’s an insulin surge or sugar rush. Can’t really determine what it is, just kind of a spacey feeling.
I always did the old Gatorade and whey isolate combo recommended by Berardi a long time ago and them seemed to work perfect for me.
Anyone with any suggestions?
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I think anyone starting the protocol might want to start with 1 of everything, then after a few workouts, work up to 2.
That spacy feeling is an insulin spike, that’s how you feel when you’ve had “too much” sugar/carbs all at once. I usually get it after eating a ton of pankakes with syrup and butter, hash browns, and orage juice (super cheat meal!). And I do get it a little bit on this protocol, but not as much, I usually get spacy at the end of my workouts, and I’m only taking 1 of everything in the protocol to begin with.
[quote]as wrote:
skohcl wrote:
Anyone having any digestion problems with the new protocol? I know we’ve got a few reports of stomach discomfort during training… but yeah…
I was actually going to bring this up while following Sheeple’s posts. I’m contstantly burping this stuff up and feel bloated especially after I finish the SR. It’s just too much. I tried spreading it out like Sheeple said but all that does is get me real sleepy by the time I even get to the Surge Recovery.
Also the Surge WF makes me real light headed after I take it, but I don’t feel it’s an insulin surge or sugar rush. Can’t really determine what it is, just kind of a spacey feeling.
I always did the old Gatorade and whey isolate combo recommended by Berardi a long time ago and them seemed to work perfect for me.
Anyone with any suggestions?
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That’s strange that the Surge Workout Fuel makes you light headed. This has sustained carbs in it that last through the training. I feel great when I take the Surge Workout Fuel, it’s the Surge Recovery before training that gets me a little.
If reducing to one on everything doesn’t help, try taking each supplement on it’s own (Finibar only before workout or Surge Workout Fuel only) then Surge Recovery after. This way you can get a better feel of which one specifically is giving you trouble. Then adjust that paticular one from there.
[quote]as wrote:
skohcl wrote:
Anyone having any digestion problems with the new protocol? I know we’ve got a few reports of stomach discomfort during training… but yeah…
I was actually going to bring this up while following Sheeple’s posts. I’m contstantly burping this stuff up and feel bloated especially after I finish the SR. It’s just too much. I tried spreading it out like Sheeple said but all that does is get me real sleepy by the time I even get to the Surge Recovery.
Also the Surge WF makes me real light headed after I take it, but I don’t feel it’s an insulin surge or sugar rush. Can’t really determine what it is, just kind of a spacey feeling.
I always did the old Gatorade and whey isolate combo recommended by Berardi a long time ago and them seemed to work perfect for me.
Anyone with any suggestions?
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You are using less than the recommended water right? If not, try that. Sheeple could probably tell you how little you can use from experience now.
Just to be clear… I think I’m having intestinal distress from the CH, def. not from Surge Workout Fuel or Surge Recovery, just hit a new PR on deadlift today, but was weak on squats (go fig). But I’ll take out the CH and put it back in and see what happens…
Also I’ve got 2 different kinds of CH, one is random CH from company X, the other is PeptoPro, so hopefully PP doesn’t give me issues, so I’ll try re-introducing the PP and see what happens later, but I think ima throw away the other cheap CH…
[quote]skohcl wrote:
Just to be clear… I think I’m having intestinal distress from the CH, def. not from Surge Workout Fuel or Surge Recovery, just hit a new PR on deadlift today, but was weak on squats (go fig). But I’ll take out the CH and put it back in and see what happens…
Also I’ve got 2 different kinds of CH, one is random CH from company X, the other is PeptoPro, so hopefully PP doesn’t give me issues, so I’ll try re-introducing the PP and see what happens later, but I think ima throw away the other cheap CH…[/quote]
I had to stop using PeptoPro for pulsing because it was causing gas and bloating. Now, I just sip on 20g of PP during my workout, after my two scoops of SR without any issues – I think it has to do with taking PP on a empty stomach.
aside from peptopro, what CH’s does everyone like
[quote]michaellongo14 wrote:
aside from peptopro, what CH’s does everyone like[/quote]
I have tried many different brands and was unable to keep any of them down. I could keep peptopro down if I took it on an empty stomach by mixing it in 10 ounces of water with crystal lite and downing it as fast as I could. Still tasted like vomit though (not kidding).
CT,
Will doing HIIT or steady state cardio after a workout, while using the protocol, have any negative affects
(the +60 shake would be taken 60 minutes after the weight training ended)?
[quote]skohcl wrote:
as wrote:
skohcl wrote:
Anyone having any digestion problems with the new protocol? I know we’ve got a few reports of stomach discomfort during training… but yeah…
I was actually going to bring this up while following Sheeple’s posts. I’m contstantly burping this stuff up and feel bloated especially after I finish the SR. It’s just too much. I tried spreading it out like Sheeple said but all that does is get me real sleepy by the time I even get to the Surge Recovery.
Also the Surge WF makes me real light headed after I take it, but I don’t feel it’s an insulin surge or sugar rush. Can’t really determine what it is, just kind of a spacey feeling.
I always did the old Gatorade and whey isolate combo recommended by Berardi a long time ago and them seemed to work perfect for me.
Anyone with any suggestions?
I think anyone starting the protocol might want to start with 1 of everything, then after a few workouts, work up to 2.
That spacy feeling is an insulin spike, that’s how you feel when you’ve had “too much” sugar/carbs all at once. I usually get it after eating a ton of pankakes with syrup and butter, hash browns, and orage juice (super cheat meal!). And I do get it a little bit on this protocol, but not as much, I usually get spacy at the end of my workouts, and I’m only taking 1 of everything in the protocol to begin with.
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Thanks for the advice. Actually I did start off with 1 FINiBAR, 2 scoops of Surge Workout Fuel and only 1 scoop Surge Recovery. I’ve felt insulin spikes from high carb meals before but never got light headed like this. Its not a crash either cause unfortunatley I’ve experienced those in the past too. It’s just a wierd light headed feeling.
I actually respond better to the Surge Recovery, and the FINiBAR hasn’t even digested by the time I’m done with the workout, I’m still burping it up. I might just try Surge Recovery before and during like Sheeple suggested.
By the way just like a few of the other guys said the PeptoPro gets me a little gasy too but nothing crazy.
Kind of dissapointed right now cause I was looking forward to trying to bulk up to a fairly lean 220 on this new protocol. Don’t think that’s gonna happen now though lol. Let’s see what happens when the program comes out.
It’s sad but I’ve come to enjoy the disgusting taste of the Peptpro, in some sick and twisted way.
I guess I know that it’s doing me good, so I’ve come to look forward to drinking the dreaded vomit.
I have both a lower grade CH and PeptoPro. The PP tastes fine, it’s got a Hawaiian Punch type flavor. It’s got a faint “dairy” quality about it that I really like. I can barely detect any bitterness. The other CH is a little worse but even it is quite doable.
Do you guys just have sensitive little palettes or especially fine sense for bitterness?
[quote]conorh wrote:
I have both a lower grade CH and PeptoPro. The PP tastes fine, it’s got a Hawaiian Punch type flavor. It’s got a faint “dairy” quality about it that I really like. I can barely detect any bitterness. The other CH is a little worse but even it is quite doable.
Do you guys just have sensitive little palettes or especially fine sense for bitterness?[/quote]
Again, I have the NATURAL flavor Peptopro, not the sweetened one. The natural one does not have a “Hawaiin Punch” flavor, it has a “Vomit” flavor.
Anything hydrolisized is going to be bitter as hell when there is no flavoring added to it, which is what I have.
You have the sweetened version.
Hi Christian, I have been Using CH pulses, FINiBARs, Surge Workout Fuel, Surge Recovery, and Alpha-GPC. I have been doing a chest Specialization for the past 3 weeks and have made great gains. I can really feel these supps at work when I lift, especially the Alpha-GPC.
My question is, how should I supplement on my days where I train the other muscle groups( legs/shoulders, back/biceps) Currently specializing 3x week on chest/tri.
I am trying to gain slowly without to much fat. Outside of PARA I consume around 300g PRO 300G Carb 50-70g of fat. I am 6’2’’ at 223lbs sitting around 13-14%.
I feel like low carb days are a great help and my body doesn’t freak out when I don’t get enough carbs. I also feel like their keeping me leaner. How should I eat on the days without using PARA? Non- workout?
CT,
Is it ok to have just one scoop of Surge Recovery instead of 2 before my workout (to avoid the ‘bloated’ feeling) and use the second scoop for a shake mixed with leucine and CH (during)?
[quote]conorh wrote:
I have both a lower grade CH and PeptoPro. The PP tastes fine, it’s got a Hawaiian Punch type flavor. It’s got a faint “dairy” quality about it that I really like. I can barely detect any bitterness. The other CH is a little worse but even it is quite doable.
Do you guys just have sensitive little palettes or especially fine sense for bitterness?[/quote]
Maybe I am just a pussy when it comes to bitterness, but I did just try the sweetened version of PP and it was okay so I will use it for now.
[quote]mcook123 wrote:
conorh wrote:
I have both a lower grade CH and PeptoPro. The PP tastes fine, it’s got a Hawaiian Punch type flavor. It’s got a faint “dairy” quality about it that I really like. I can barely detect any bitterness. The other CH is a little worse but even it is quite doable.
Do you guys just have sensitive little palettes or especially fine sense for bitterness?
Maybe I am just a pussy when it comes to bitterness, but I did just try the sweetened version of PP and it was okay so I will use it for now.[/quote]
My roommate apparently can’t taste bitter because he thinks my various hydrolysates taste like candy.
Coach,
I want to reintroduce some carbs in my workout being fat loss the primarly goal. I want to preserve muscle mass and I’m going to increase interval training and some steady cardio.
My plan is add between 25 and 50 grams 30 minutes before the workout with Isolate following a target approach. I’m going to do intervals just after workout.
Do you recommend to do Intervals just after workout? or it’s better separate them in the same day, AM weight training and PM intervals.
Am I right doing just after? if so, it requires carbs just after them.
And the days without weigth training but Intervals, is better few carbs before or afer?
Thanks