Questions About Peri-Workout Nutrition

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581

Hey Christian,

I have been doing a lot of reading and am very excited to begin the para nutrition protocol, I know there could be some alternatives to the first 2 pulses I planned but financially it would be easier for me (as seen in your poor/married mans version). As for the rest of the day does it look like it would work? What would you add or change? I appreciate any info input.

And if I am not noticing any lean weight gain would I just add more carbs to the solid meals that are prior to the workout or add carbs to the solid meal that follows the workout?

This would be a sample of the days iā€™ll be liftingā€¦

6am - wake-up- 5g of leucine
10 mins later Grow! Whey 1 scoop

6:30am = Relatively easily absorbed protein source (the leaner, the faster) Fruit, vegetables, small amount of nuts or beans

9:30am = 5g of leucine
10 mins later = Grow! Whey 1 scoop

11:45am = lean protein with fruits, veggies, fish oils

2:00pm = Just lean protein and nuts

PROTOCOL

4:00pm = Alpha-GPC
4:20pm = 1 FINIBAR
4:30pm= 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel
4:45pm = 2 scoops Surge Recovery

5:00pm = during workout (early half) = 1 FINIBAR
5:45pm = during workout (later half) = 1 scoop Surge Workout Fuel

6:30pm = End work out
6:45 = Grow! Whey 2 scoops

8:00pm = 200-300g red meat, vegetables

9:30pm = Cottage cheese mixed with yogurt and 1 scoop low-carbs Metabolic Drive, fish oils

As for my rest days I would pulse 2-3 times during the day and my solid meals would include fruit, vegetables, small amount of nuts or beans, but would those solid meals also contain a lean protein? Or are we keeping protein intake down on these days?

Also during days off would I want my total intake of calories to be the answer of the equation from your article ā€œThe Carbs Cycling Codexā€ for off days ?

BMR = 66 plus (13.7 x weight in kg) plus (5 x height in cm) minus (6.8 x age) then factoring in your activity level.

I really appreciate any advice you can give me
thank you

582

CT,
If we were to use 1 scoop of Surge Workout Fuel + Hydrolyzed Casein during the workout, would we then only take 1 scoop of Surge Workout Fuel 30 minutes Pre-Workout compared to the 2 scoops that we would have otherwise taken?

583

[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:
CT,
If we were to use 1 scoop of Surge Workout Fuel + Hydrolyzed Casein during the workout, would we then only take 1 scoop of Surge Workout Fuel 30 minutes Pre-Workout compared to the 2 scoops that we would have otherwise taken? [/quote]

1-2 FINIBAR 60 minutes before
2 scoops of WORKOUT FUEL 30 minutes before
2 scoops of SURGE RECOVERY 15 minutes before
2 scoops of ANACONDA during the workout

That is the para-workout protocol. The one that will work perfectly. The ONLY compromise that I really can accept right now is the casein during the workout, until Anaconda is available.

But I do not suggest starting to play with it. If you do, donā€™t complain that it doesnā€™t work optimally.

584

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
KeepAwaySheeple wrote:
Ok CT or Bill,

If Iā€™m doing this -

-90 1-2 Finibars
-45 2 scoops SWF
-15 2 scoops SR

and I purchased some casein hydrolysate, what is better to sip during workout -

1 scoop SR

or

1 scoop SWF with 20g casein hydrolysate?

I know both are acceptable, but I want the best alternative for Anaconda until it comes out.

Casein hydrolysate with leucine[/quote]

CHY with Leucine alone or SWF with CHY and Leucine?

585

SWF has leucine in itā€¦ so you maybe could just do the SWF w/ 20g casein hydro

586

Iā€™m just a little confused because of this -

zraw wrote:

And thanā€¦ since we dont have access to Anaconda, I think it was agreed best thing would be to use 1 scoop Surge Workout Fuel + 20g Casein Hydrolysate during the workout

Maybe CT can confirm?

Yep, thatā€™s it

Then my question -

KeepAwaySheeple wrote:

and I purchased some casein hydrolysate, what is better to sip during workout -

1 scoop SR

or

1 scoop SWF with 20g casein hydrolysate?

I know both are acceptable, but I want the best alternative for Anaconda until it comes out.

Casein hydrolysate with leucine

I just wanted some clarification on this, thanks!

587

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
ebomb5522 wrote:
CT,
If we were to use 1 scoop of Surge Workout Fuel + Hydrolyzed Casein during the workout, would we then only take 1 scoop of Surge Workout Fuel 30 minutes Pre-Workout compared to the 2 scoops that we would have otherwise taken?

1-2 FINIBAR 60 minutes before
2 scoops of WORKOUT FUEL 30 minutes before
2 scoops of SURGE RECOVERY 15 minutes before
2 scoops of ANACONDA during the workout

That is the para-workout protocol. The one that will work perfectly. The ONLY compromise that I really can accept right now is the casein during the workout, until Anaconda is available.

But I do not suggest starting to play with it. If you do, donā€™t complain that it doesnā€™t work optimally.[/quote]

You take the Finibarā€™s 60 minutes before instead of 45 minutes now?

588

Could the current protocol be used when doing something other than training, e.g. playing tennis, football.
I normally have a scoop of SR before a match and then 1 scoop sipped throughout the rest, but some matches can last up to 3 hours.

What do you suggest for during + after a match.

Thanks

589

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
ebomb5522 wrote:
CT,
If we were to use 1 scoop of Surge Workout Fuel + Hydrolyzed Casein during the workout, would we then only take 1 scoop of Surge Workout Fuel 30 minutes Pre-Workout compared to the 2 scoops that we would have otherwise taken?

1-2 FINIBAR 60 minutes before
2 scoops of WORKOUT FUEL 30 minutes before
2 scoops of SURGE RECOVERY 15 minutes before
2 scoops of ANACONDA during the workout

That is the para-workout protocol. The one that will work perfectly. The ONLY compromise that I really can accept right now is the casein during the workout, until Anaconda is available.

But I do not suggest starting to play with it. If you do, donā€™t complain that it doesnā€™t work optimally.[/quote]

Thank you CT. That is the protocol that I have been using and I will continue to until Anaconda is avaliable.

590

[quote]skohcl wrote:
SWF has leucine in itā€¦ so you maybe could just do the SWF w/ 20g casein hydro[/quote]

Ya but what Iā€™m wondering is if CHY + Leucine will be any more or less effective than SWF + CHY.

CHY + Leucine would be more cost effective for me, but if it doesnā€™t give as good results as SWF + CHY then I will still go the more expensive route.

591

Hey CT,

I know Bill had a go at answering this a few weeks ago but how would you adjust the elements of the para-workout plan for one which lasts 100-120 minutes?

Many thanks,

592

[quote]dheeel wrote:
Hey CT,

I know Bill had a go at answering this a few weeks ago but how would you adjust the elements of the para-workout plan for one which lasts 100-120 minutes?

Many thanks,
[/quote]

The only thing I would change (maybe) is to have 1 more FINiBAR during the workout. But I would likely not change a thing.

593

[quote]KeepAwaySheeple wrote:
skohcl wrote:
SWF has leucine in itā€¦ so you maybe could just do the SWF w/ 20g casein hydro

Ya but what Iā€™m wondering is if CHY + Leucine will be any more or less effective than SWF + CHY.

CHY + Leucine would be more cost effective for me, but if it doesnā€™t give as good results as SWF + CHY then I will still go the more expensive route.

[/quote]

The L-Leucine is taken WITH the casein, not INSTEAD of the Surge Workout Fuel.

594

Christian,
in regards to AM training. I have my protein shake with supps apon waking up. I then go to the gym shortly after. Isnt my body dehydrated?
Why are so many people so keen on AM training then?

thanks

595

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
zraw wrote:

Not that I want to answer for thib but this protocol was the ā€œoldā€ one

He than later in this thread said the best protocol was

-90 Alpha GPC
-45 2 Finibars
-30 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel
-15 2 scoops Surge Recovery
During : 2 Scoops Anaconda
+60 20g Casein Hydrolysate

And thanā€¦ since we dont have access to Anaconda, I think it was agreed best thing would be to use 1 scoop Surge Workout Fuel + 20g Casein Hydrolysate during the workout

Maybe CT can confirm?

Yep, thatā€™s it[/quote]

Thanks guys.

I currently wake up at 6:30am and lift around 1:15pm, so taking these recommendations into account I will be doing the following:

6:30 5g Leucine
6:40 CH Pulse
7:00 Breakfast

9:45 5g Leucine
9:55 CH Pulse
10:15 Lean protein

11:45 Alpha-GPC
12:15 2 FINiBARs
12:45 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel
1:00 2 scoops Surge Recovery
1:15 - 2:15 2 Scoops SWF, 5g Leucine, 10g CH
3:15 20g Casein Hydrolysate

5:45 Lean protein, veggies, fish oil

8:15 Lean protein, veggies, fish oil

10:45 Casein shake, fish oil

On low priority days, I would just lower the dosage in the para-workout nutrition to 1 of everything instead of 2:

12:15 1 FINiBAR
12:45 1 scoop Surge Workout Fuel
1:00 1 scoop Surge Recovery
1:15 - 2:15 1 Scoop SWF, 5g Leucine, 10g CH
3:15 20g Casein Hydrolysate

Anything need to be changed to get the CT seal of approval?

596

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
dheeel wrote:
Hey CT,

I know Bill had a go at answering this a few weeks ago but how would you adjust the elements of the para-workout plan for one which lasts 100-120 minutes?

Many thanks,

The only thing I would change (maybe) is to have 1 more FINiBAR during the workout. But I would likely not change a thing.[/quote]

Great - thanks CT

I do notice a bit of an energy drop off after around 70/75 minutes and was toying with adding in another scoop of Surge Workout Fuel but will try the FINiBAR approach.

Cheers

597

[quote]dheeel wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
dheeel wrote:
Hey CT,

I know Bill had a go at answering this a few weeks ago but how would you adjust the elements of the para-workout plan for one which lasts 100-120 minutes?

Many thanks,

The only thing I would change (maybe) is to have 1 more FINiBAR during the workout. But I would likely not change a thing.

Great - thanks CT

I do notice a bit of an energy drop off after around 70/75 minutes and was toying with adding in another scoop of Surge Workout Fuel but will try the FINiBAR approach.

Cheers[/quote]

I noticed this too, but Iā€™m only taking 1 scoop of everything as Iā€™m trying to get leaner and a) lose less muscle or b) gain a lilā€™ muscle/strength

But yeah, after an hour I start dragging my feetā€¦ I should probably try to train less bodyparts per session though as I was doing Chest/Back/Shoulders/Biā€™s/Tris Like 8-10 different exercisesā€¦ :confused:

598

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
The L-Leucine is taken WITH the casein, not INSTEAD of the Surge Workout Fuel. [/quote]

Pardon my ignorance on this but just to clarify -

During workout sip -

L-Leucine + Surge Workout Fuel + Casein Hydrolysate?

599

[quote]KeepAwaySheeple wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
The L-Leucine is taken WITH the casein, not INSTEAD of the Surge Workout Fuel.

Pardon my ignorance on this but just to clarify -

During workout sip -

L-Leucine + Surge Workout Fuel + Casein Hydrolysate?

[/quote]

Again, Iā€™m not Thib but Iā€™m pretty sure you would do

1st half : 1 scoop SWF
2nd half : CHY + Leucine

Wait for CT to confirm or say Iā€™m wrong tough

600

Coach,

Iā€™m lean for the first time in my life and will finish dropping BF into the single digits here around a month or so. I need to start packing on serious muscle. This would be the first time Iā€™ve ever tried to gain muscle intelligently and at an appropriate body fat and figure I can see some gains by just eating more, using Leucine before meals and Surge Recovery Pre/during and some whey hydroslate after workout.

Would it be appropriate to wait for the pulsing and para-nutrition protocols after I make some initial gains or is this something that should be used all the time assuming money isnā€™t an issue? Iā€™m not exactly ā€œweakā€ for my body weight, I can 2.5x deadlift, 2x squat, and 1.5x bench but Iā€™m weak numbers wise. ā€œNewbieā€ type gains arenā€™t going to happen but those numbers will go up without too much difficulty from the start.

Iā€™ve got goals of deading 600 (By far my best lift, I could clear 450 now if my lower back can handle it, currently working on that), squatting 405, and benching 315 by the end of 2010 and deading 700+, squatting 500+ and benching 400+ by the end of 2011 and Iā€™m at 405, 315, and 250 currently, not quite the strongest Iā€™ve ever been but close to it.

Once again, assuming money isnā€™t an issue, what would be the best way to start upward on this endeavor with access to all the products/except Anaconda and probably by the time Iā€™m ready to start, itā€™ll be out) and also just the proteins and then when to add these new protocols?

EDIT: I guess what Iā€™m really asking is if with gaining mass, like losing fat, do you try to keep tools ready whenever progress stalls or is this simply how it should be the whole time?