Questions About Peri-Workout Nutrition

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Coach Thibs-

Which of the two CH pulses would you say are more important-during the Workout or one hour afterward? I am using a pure CH product and a CH/WheyHydr mix so I am just trying to decide when to use each one (this fits my budget better).

Thanks CT

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[quote]slimsaw00 wrote:
KeepAwaySheeple wrote:

Bill I think you were right from the get go, itā€™s the amount of water that I was taking in right before my training that was making me feel horrible during workouts.

I did the same exact thing on the water intake. I wasnā€™t feeling bad during the workout like you were, I was feeling bad AFTER the workout. I have since reduced the water used in the various supps and I feel 1000% better when I get home.

-Matt

[/quote]

Question for Thib or Bill Roberts,

Iā€™ve been taking two scoops of Surge Workout Fuel and two scoops of Recovery with 20 oz and 16 oz of water as per label instructions. And Iā€™ve felt bloated and a bit light headed during my workouts. Iā€™ve even took Thibs advice and had a Finibar midway through. Is it possible that Iā€™m consuming a bit too much water as well. If so, how much should I reduce it by?

Thanks,

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
KeepAwaySheeple wrote:
they will only release it once they are able to make it taste as good as Kool-Aid.
[/quote]

what kind of Koolaid? Red koolaid would be badass.

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Christian, what do you think about using Vitargo as a pre workout supp? Vitargo with some whey isolate before/during and then after.

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[quote]gerardmarceau wrote:
Christian, what do you think about using Vitargo as a pre workout supp? Vitargo with some whey isolate before/during and then after.[/quote]

He already has a response to this question:

read in this link: 4th post down

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[quote]greggio wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
KeepAwaySheeple wrote:
Bill, CT (if you were following my posts) and everyone else,

I would like to apologize for getting worked up over the protocol. I was wrong. I tweaked it just a little bit and I now feel 100 percent better during workouts.

I cut the times even closer together this time, more like CTā€™s exact protocol and I still feel OK during workouts. The only major thing I changed - I cut the water intake down even more. I made the SWF and SR before the workout very concentrated, then with my 1 scoop of SR during, I mix that with a 32 oz bottle of water.

Iā€™m thinking of even upping to two Finibars for leg day tomorrow.

Bill I think you were right from the get go, itā€™s the amount of water that I was taking in right before my training that was making me feel horrible during workouts.

Oh and PS -

I got some Casein Hydrolysate and it truly does taste like vomit.

Biotest, Casein Hydrolysate please? !

Iā€™m not saying that Biotest will come up with a pure casein hydrolysate productā€¦ but IF they do, they will only release it once they are able to make it taste as good as Kool-Aid.

How close are they?[/quote]

Yeah, Iā€™m gonna fall for that oneā€¦ :wink:

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[quote]Mike19727 wrote:
slimsaw00 wrote:
KeepAwaySheeple wrote:

Bill I think you were right from the get go, itā€™s the amount of water that I was taking in right before my training that was making me feel horrible during workouts.

I did the same exact thing on the water intake. I wasnā€™t feeling bad during the workout like you were, I was feeling bad AFTER the workout. I have since reduced the water used in the various supps and I feel 1000% better when I get home.

-Matt

Question for Thib or Bill Roberts,

Iā€™ve been taking two scoops of Surge Workout Fuel and two scoops of Recovery with 20 oz and 16 oz of water as per label instructions. And Iā€™ve felt bloated and a bit light headed during my workouts. Iā€™ve even took Thibs advice and had a Finibar midway through. Is it possible that Iā€™m consuming a bit too much water as well. If so, how much should I reduce it by?

Thanks,

[/quote]

Read some of the posts above yoursā€¦ too much water is likely what is causing this.

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[quote]KeepAwaySheeple wrote:
Bill, CT (if you were following my posts) and everyone else,

I would like to apologize for getting worked up over the protocol. I was wrong. I tweaked it just a little bit and I now feel 100 percent better during workouts.

I cut the times even closer together this time, more like CTā€™s exact protocol and I still feel OK during workouts. The only major thing I changed - I cut the water intake down even more. I made the SWF and SR before the workout very concentrated, then with my 1 scoop of SR during, I mix that with a 32 oz bottle of water.

Iā€™m thinking of even upping to two Finibars for leg day tomorrow.
[/quote]

Iā€™m glad itā€™s worked out for you! :slight_smile:

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Actually, Justin Harris had said that taking a mixture that was 15% or less aminos, etc added to waxy maize would not slow down the absorbtion.

I have tried both Vitaro and waxy maize, and they donā€™t act the same in my body. The Vitargo goes through much faster.

So maybe Vitargo spikes insulin faster, and then bcaaā€™s, proteins can be taken 15-20 minutes after?

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[quote]fnf wrote:
Hey Coach,
I plan on doing your Get Jacked on August 16th after my current routine since I have to lose some extra fat before I can try your upcoming I, BODYBUILDER program. Because of your new para-workout nutrition protocol, what would you change in the Get Jacked pre and post workout nutrition. Glutamine and protein powder are required during weeks 1-4, with fruit added in weeks 3 and 4. If I know where to place the fruit and glutamine, I believe I can figure out weeks 5-8.
I learned how to time the use of BCAA and Surge Workout Fuel in your other threads.
Thanks for your time.[/quote]

Iā€™m not sure if this was answered already. I looked and could not find a reply. I just bought GJ and am interested in your response to this. Thanks!

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I tried the protocol today for the first timeā€¦ Incredible pump, I never thought that you get that sort of kick while on the 5x5 programme, and even if it doesnā€™t necessarily mean better muscle growth itā€™s a good feeling. Felt a bit light-headed during the first few minutes of my workout after drinking Surge Recovery but only for a short while. I think I was able to lift a bit more but itā€™s probably due to the Surge WF placebo effect.

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Hey Coach,

Question about using insulin for a type one Diabetic. My cousin is training for football and is a type one diabetic. He has an ā€œinsulin pumpā€ hooked up to him, so he can dispense insulin into his body at virtually any time he wants to. Iā€™m assuming his coaches have him on their own protocol that they want him to follow as far as supplements go, but should I be encouraging him to pump that shit before, during and post workout (Iā€™ve already checked with his mother, who is a long time nurse, and this is medically OK).

He kind of looked at me like I was crazy when I suggested him that he could use his condition to an advantage, but I wanted to look into it more before I really pushed for him to make this a habit.

Have you or any of your colleagues ever delt with a type 1 diabetic before and did you encourage them to use their insulin for an advantage? Iā€™m assuming that an external source of insulin could be just as effective as a self induced insulin spike, but I have no expertise in this field other than what I read here at T-Nation.

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
rich2323 wrote:
CT, Iā€™m currently taking Surge Workout Fuel during my training sessions and wanted to know can I still continue to take BCAA as well or alternate both every 10 days. I train 4 days a week.

Thanks

Rich

Donā€™t alternate, both things donā€™t work the sameā€¦

Take your BCAAs 30 minutes before your session[/quote]

Can I still consume Surge Workout Fuel during my training sessions?

Thanks

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My apologies if this has been asked in a previous postā€¦

Coach, Iā€™d like for you to finish the arguement for ā€œall you need is chocolate milkā€ after a workout. I know my answer, but Iā€™d like to hear yours. A friend of mine got into a ā€œdiscussionā€ with one of the trainers at a local Crossfit Gym and along with chocolate milk, he said you donā€™t need protein powder (in a perfect world) or fish oil.

Thibā€™s please put this argument to rest!

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Hey CT,

Thanks for all the help so far - these forums have been very useful for me (and others as well Iā€™m sure).

I am starting your HSS-100 chest specialization program in a couple of weeks and want to make sure I have the para-workout protocol as good as I can get it before I begin. I have been experimenting with whatā€™s been posted so far, but everything keeps changing and depending on which thread I am reading the base protocols appear to be different, although all of them are somewhat similar. This is what I am currently planning:

PRIORITY DAYS (3 per week)
W-90 Alpha GPC (2 caps)
W-45 1 FiNiBAR
W-30 2 Scoops Surge Workout Fuel
W-15 2 Scoops Surge Recovery
Workout: 1 Scoop Surge Recovery sipped throughout
W+15 2 Scoops Grow! whey
W+90 2 Scoops Grow! whey

OTHER DAYS (2 per week)
W-90 Alpha GPC (2 caps)
W-45 1 FiNiBAR
W-30 2 Scoops Surge Workout Fuel
Workout: 1 Scoop Surge Recovery sipped throughout
W+15 2 Scoops Grow! whey
W+90 2 Scoops Grow! whey

Assuming that finances are not an issue, what would you add (barring Anaconda) or change to make this protocol better?

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
DT

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[quote]Dan Thompson wrote:
Hey CT,

Thanks for all the help so far - these forums have been very useful for me (and others as well Iā€™m sure).

I am starting your HSS-100 chest specialization program in a couple of weeks and want to make sure I have the para-workout protocol as good as I can get it before I begin. I have been experimenting with whatā€™s been posted so far, but everything keeps changing and depending on which thread I am reading the base protocols appear to be different, although all of them are somewhat similar. This is what I am currently planning:

PRIORITY DAYS (3 per week)
W-90 Alpha GPC (2 caps)
W-45 1 FiNiBAR
W-30 2 Scoops Surge Workout Fuel
W-15 2 Scoops Surge Recovery
Workout: 1 Scoop Surge Recovery sipped throughout
W+15 2 Scoops Grow! whey
W+90 2 Scoops Grow! whey

OTHER DAYS (2 per week)
W-90 Alpha GPC (2 caps)
W-45 1 FiNiBAR
W-30 2 Scoops Surge Workout Fuel
Workout: 1 Scoop Surge Recovery sipped throughout
W+15 2 Scoops Grow! whey
W+90 2 Scoops Grow! whey

Assuming that finances are not an issue, what would you add (barring Anaconda) or change to make this protocol better?

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
DT[/quote]

Not that I want to answer for thib but this protocol was the ā€œoldā€ one

He than later in this thread said the best protocol was

-90 Alpha GPC
-45 2 Finibars
-30 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel
-15 2 scoops Surge Recovery
During : 2 Scoops Anaconda
+60 20g Casein Hydrolysate

And thanā€¦ since we dont have access to Anaconda, I think it was agreed best thing would be to use 1 scoop Surge Workout Fuel + 20g Casein Hydrolysate during the workout

Maybe CT can confirm?

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

The best protocol, the official one, will be:

-90 Alpha-GPC
-45 2 Finibars
-30 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel
-15 2 scoops Surge Recovery
during the workout 2 scoops Anaconda
60 minutes after the workout 20g casein hydrolysate

The minimal protocol is 1 of everything instead of 2 and the heavy loading is 3 instead of 2[/quote]

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Ok CT or Bill,

If Iā€™m doing this -

-90 1-2 Finibars
-45 2 scoops SWF
-15 2 scoops SR

and I purchased some casein hydrolysate, what is better to sip during workout -

1 scoop SR

or

1 scoop SWF with 20g casein hydrolysate?

I know both are acceptable, but I want the best alternative for Anaconda until it comes out.

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[quote]KeepAwaySheeple wrote:
Ok CT or Bill,

If Iā€™m doing this -

-90 1-2 Finibars
-45 2 scoops SWF
-15 2 scoops SR

and I purchased some casein hydrolysate, what is better to sip during workout -

1 scoop SR

or

1 scoop SWF with 20g casein hydrolysate?

I know both are acceptable, but I want the best alternative for Anaconda until it comes out.[/quote]

Casein hydrolysate with leucine

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[quote]zraw wrote:
Dan Thompson wrote:
Hey CT,

Thanks for all the help so far - these forums have been very useful for me (and others as well Iā€™m sure).

I am starting your HSS-100 chest specialization program in a couple of weeks and want to make sure I have the para-workout protocol as good as I can get it before I begin. I have been experimenting with whatā€™s been posted so far, but everything keeps changing and depending on which thread I am reading the base protocols appear to be different, although all of them are somewhat similar. This is what I am currently planning:

PRIORITY DAYS (3 per week)
W-90 Alpha GPC (2 caps)
W-45 1 FiNiBAR
W-30 2 Scoops Surge Workout Fuel
W-15 2 Scoops Surge Recovery
Workout: 1 Scoop Surge Recovery sipped throughout
W+15 2 Scoops Grow! whey
W+90 2 Scoops Grow! whey

OTHER DAYS (2 per week)
W-90 Alpha GPC (2 caps)
W-45 1 FiNiBAR
W-30 2 Scoops Surge Workout Fuel
Workout: 1 Scoop Surge Recovery sipped throughout
W+15 2 Scoops Grow! whey
W+90 2 Scoops Grow! whey

Assuming that finances are not an issue, what would you add (barring Anaconda) or change to make this protocol better?

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
DT

Not that I want to answer for thib but this protocol was the ā€œoldā€ one

He than later in this thread said the best protocol was

-90 Alpha GPC
-45 2 Finibars
-30 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel
-15 2 scoops Surge Recovery
During : 2 Scoops Anaconda
+60 20g Casein Hydrolysate

And thanā€¦ since we dont have access to Anaconda, I think it was agreed best thing would be to use 1 scoop Surge Workout Fuel + 20g Casein Hydrolysate during the workout

Maybe CT can confirm?
[/quote]

Yep, thatā€™s it