Questions About Peri-Workout Nutrition

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[quote]Ren wrote:
slimsaw00 wrote:
KeepAwaySheeple wrote:
So considering Anaconda is not available yet, what should I be doing? I am willing to purchase whatever it is.

This is what I’m doing

W-60 1 Spike/ 2 Alpha GPC

W-40 1 Finibar

W-30 2-3 Scoops Workout Fuel

W-15 2 Scoops Recovery

During workout: Sip on 1 scoop of Surge

This has been working great for me.

-Matt

Matt, is Workout Fuel or Recovery you are drinking in the workout? I assume its Workout Fuel Like CT mentioned on the first page of this thread.

How long have you been using this and what results have you seen so far?[/quote]

Sorry for the confusion, I could have swore that I edited that part. Actually I’m drinking Surge Recovery during my workout. I think that both Thib and Nate have said that Surge Recovery is an acceptable option for you during workout due to the Hydrolyzed Whey. I actually tried sipping on Workout Fuel during the workout, because that’s what I was accustomed to before all these super-protocols came out. . . and for some reason I just feel more “energized” sipping on Recovery.

I’d guess that I’ve been doing this what I’ve laid out for approximately a month(was just using Workout Fuel and Recovery, respectively) and my results are mostly based on feel at this point. The scale has been moving in the right direction, maybe POSSIBLY faster than before (while eating a tad fewer carbs). . not 100% sure. But where I really notice a difference is in my energy levels, strength and stamina in the gym (been doing 5/3/1).

Give it a whirl, I’m still messing around with different combo’s at different times. . . but this is what I’ve found to work for me thus far.

-Matt

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[quote]slimsaw00 wrote:
KeepAwaySheeple wrote:
So considering Anaconda is not available yet, what should I be doing? I am willing to purchase whatever it is.

This is what I’m doing

W-60 1 Spike/ 2 Alpha GPC

W-40 1 Finibar

W-30 2-3 Scoops Workout Fuel

W-15 2 Scoops Recovery

During workout: Sip on 1 scoop of Surge

This has been working great for me.

-Matt

[/quote]
Ditto - I am doing the exact same protocol and it seems to work well.

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Coach,

I’ve been following these posts with great interest. Could you (or anyone for that matter) tell me where this protein pulsing/amino pulsing/para-workout nutrition was first discussed on T-Nation? I’ve searched high and low and have gotten pieces across multiple threads and now, I feel like I’m coming in on the tail-end of all this information. Was there an article presented a few weeks back? A specific thread to introduce this topic? I’d like to read and educate myself as much as possible before I pose any questions to save us all some time and avoid redundancy.

Thanks CT!

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[quote]shady659 wrote:
Coach,

I’ve been following these posts with great interest. Could you (or anyone for that matter) tell me where this protein pulsing/amino pulsing/para-workout nutrition was first discussed on T-Nation? I’ve searched high and low and have gotten pieces across multiple threads and now, I feel like I’m coming in on the tail-end of all this information. Was there an article presented a few weeks back? A specific thread to introduce this topic? I’d like to read and educate myself as much as possible before I pose any questions to save us all some time and avoid redundancy.

Thanks CT![/quote]

A lot of people have asked before and no one ever answered. Go to the “Questions about Protein/Amino Pulsing” thread on the Thibs forum and read it from the beginning. You’ll find the most up to date pulsing protocols there. Be sure to pay attention to the dates of posts, because the protocol is constantly evolving as Thibs finds out more.

Here’s a link to the thread

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How long does it take for catecholamines from exercise to wear off?

I ask because I am wondering if I have my during WO Surge Recovery an hour before I am done lifting, would an immediate post workout shake then be appropriate?

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
hotdog.350 wrote:
can Poliquin’s Catechola Calm be used before w/o? i have no idea of the whole catecholamines business ,im just throwing a suggestion out there.

If you want to be sleepy and have no energy during the workout it’s a good idea!

Catecholamines are needed for proper physical performance.[/quote]

cheers Thibs.

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I am particularly interested in how “Da freak” used this protocol to lose fat and gain muscle before a contest. Will you be outlining what you did for him Thib?
How fat was he?
Is he a insulin resistant person?
thanks in advance

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Hi CT,

What about for people who don’t get access to Biotest products?
What can I have for pre and post workout instead?

Thanks.

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[quote]HD8 wrote:
I am particularly interested in how “Da freak” used this protocol to lose fat and gain muscle before a contest. Will you be outlining what you did for him Thib?
How fat was he?
Is he a insulin resistant person?
thanks in advance[/quote]

He was 215 at 16% body fat when we decided to work together. I gave him 4 weeks to get into workable shape before starting the program. At the 4 weeks mark he was 215 at 12% and that was our starting point.

He is NOT insulin resistant. In fact he tolerates carbs very well. In 2005 when I trained him for his first contest we never got below 300g of carbs per day when he dieted. This year he had also around 300g of carbs per day, 200 of which being para-workout.

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[quote]GMerolli wrote:
Hi CT,

What about for people who don’t get access to Biotest products?
What can I have for pre and post workout instead?

Thanks.
[/quote]

There is no way to recreate an equal stack. With commercial products you can hope to achieve around 50% of the protocol, if that. With designer supplements you might be able to reproduce 70% of it.

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[quote]GusBus07 wrote:
How long does it take for catecholamines from exercise to wear off?

I ask because I am wondering if I have my during WO Surge Recovery an hour before I am done lifting, would an immediate post workout shake then be appropriate?[/quote]

No it wouldn’t. Catecholamines are elevated by exercise so the stay elevated during the whole workout. And they even stay elevated for some time after the workout.

After a regular workout the stay elevated for around 2 hours. During more grueling sessions that duration increases.

The longest periods of elevated catecholamines are seen after long-distance events like marathons, after a marathon catecholamines can stay elevated for up to 24 hours. But as it pertains to use a 2 hours period is pretty much the norm.

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[quote]PB Andy wrote:

Thib, I’m currently pulsing with whey protein + 5g leucine. The ingredients in the whey are listed in this order: Whey Isolate, Whey Concentrate, Whey Peptides. So I’m just wasting protein pretty much? Thanks.[/quote]

For pulsing purpose, yes

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Yea… It’s waaay to expensive to buy Biotest supplements with all the international taxes.
They should have some special discount, like combos or something.

Anyway, I’m taking 5g of creatine, 32g of whey protein mixed with 30g of simple carbs 30min before workout,and 64g of whey mixed with 60g of simple carbs and 5g of creatine 15min after workout.

What would add to it?

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[quote]GMerolli wrote:
Yea… It’s waaay to expensive to buy Biotest supplements with all the international taxes.
They should have some special discount, like combos or something.

Anyway, I’m taking 5g of creatine, 32g of whey protein mixed with 30g of simple carbs 30min before workout,and 64g of whey mixed with 60g of simple carbs and 5g of creatine 15min after workout.

What would add to it?[/quote]

To be honest, this protocol is not good at all. Read through the forum and you might be able to come up with a solution that doesn’t suck as much

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Ok CT.
Would I get any bennefits from drinking protein shake during my workout?

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[quote]GMerolli wrote:
Ok CT.
Would I get any bennefits from drinking protein shake during my workout?
[/quote]

Hmm, why don’t you read through the entire forum. Quite similar questions have been answered several times before. You’ll find som “alternative” protocols.
But still, think about investing some money in Biotest supplements and save it elsewhere…

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Hi Coach

Based on my readings on the forum, especially Nate Green’s prelude to the new training protocol recently, I’m sensing carb intake guidelines are moving away from the P+F versus P+C split popularly used.

I understand the para-WO guidelines regarding carb intake but am still a bit unclear at what other times of the day it would be optimal to consume them, and what type.

I consider myself a bit carb-phobic based on my endomorphic profile. I’m currently ingesting 80g para-WO, and around 20g from low GI fruits at breakfast. the rest of the time it’s P+F. Any suggestions on modifying this for lean mass gain with minimal fat gain?

Many thanks in advance for your time.

JB

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[quote]JamesBrawn007 wrote:
Hi Coach

Based on my readings on the forum, especially Nate Green’s prelude to the new training protocol recently, I’m sensing carb intake guidelines are moving away from the P+F versus P+C split popularly used.

I understand the para-WO guidelines regarding carb intake but am still a bit unclear at what other times of the day it would be optimal to consume them, and what type.

I consider myself a bit carb-phobic based on my endomorphic profile. I’m currently ingesting 80g para-WO, and around 20g from low GI fruits at breakfast. the rest of the time it’s P+F. Any suggestions on modifying this for lean mass gain with minimal fat gain?

Many thanks in advance for your time.

JB[/quote]

Go back in the thread. There has been a pretty similar question. Use the minimal protocol w/ just 1 FINiBAR, 2 scoops SWF, 2 scoops Surge Recovery and go for low carbs the rest of the day.
Thib had posted this sample schedule:

6am - wake-up
Protein pulse

6:30am - breakfast
10 egg whites
3 caps Flameout
1 orange (or 200g of fruit)

8:00am
ALPHA-GPC - 2 caps (especially important if you train in the morning)

8:20am
1 FINiBAR

8:30am
SURGE WORKOUT FUEL - 2 scoops

8:50am
SURGE RECOVERY - 1 scoop

9:00am start workout
Drink SURGE RECOVERY (1 scoop) during the workout… substitute for ANACONDA if available

60 minutes after your workout (around 11:30)
Protein pulse

30-60 minutes after the pulse (around 12:00 - 12:30)
300g of tilapia, chicken or wild meat
Green veggies

15:00
Protein pulse

18:00
Supper
200-300g Red meat
3 caps Flameout
Green ve

21:00
Cottage cheese mixed with yogurt and 1 scoop low-carbs Metabolic Drive
3 caps Flameout

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Thibs,

I’ve looked through the thread and found a few different answers to this. While waiting for Anaconda, should we use a combo of Surge Recovery and casien hydrosylate or Surge Workout Fuel and casien hydrosylate during the workout?

Thanks…

By the way, looking huge in that new video.

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By the way, screw crossfit…

Sorrym just had to… :wink: