[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
heckya911 wrote:
Coach: I think there are alot of us that are a bit confused since there are several para-workout protocols mentioned in this thread. There are some with cassein, some with anaconda and surge recovery. What is the best protocol to use? I am getting ready to purchase Surge workout fuel, recovery and finibars and don’t know which route to take. Also what would the macros look like for the rest of the day if you are gaining muscle or losing fat, nothing is mentioned. Just want to know so I do not purchase the wrong items, I want to start asap. Thank you
The best protocol, the official one, will be:
-90 Alpha-GPC
-45 2 Finibars
-30 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel
-15 2 scoops Surge Recovery
during the workout 2 scoops Anaconda
60 minutes after the workout 20g casein hydrolysate
The minimal protocol is 1 of everything instead of 2 and the heavy loading is 3 instead of 2[/quote]
Ahhh so is that how you’ll be offering package discounts for using the paraworkout protocol?? The small (1 each), medium (2 each), and large (3 each) package deals?
[quote]BlakedaMan wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
heckya911 wrote:
Coach: I think there are alot of us that are a bit confused since there are several para-workout protocols mentioned in this thread. There are some with cassein, some with anaconda and surge recovery. What is the best protocol to use? I am getting ready to purchase Surge workout fuel, recovery and finibars and don’t know which route to take. Also what would the macros look like for the rest of the day if you are gaining muscle or losing fat, nothing is mentioned. Just want to know so I do not purchase the wrong items, I want to start asap. Thank you
The best protocol, the official one, will be:
-90 Alpha-GPC
-45 2 Finibars
-30 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel
-15 2 scoops Surge Recovery
during the workout 2 scoops Anaconda
60 minutes after the workout 20g casein hydrolysate
The minimal protocol is 1 of everything instead of 2 and the heavy loading is 3 instead of 2
Ahhh so is that how you’ll be offering package discounts for using the paraworkout protocol?? The small (1 each), medium (2 each), and large (3 each) package deals? :)[/quote]
Dunno about that. I have not designed everything with marketing in mind. I’m the lousiest guy with marketing and making money… otherwise I would be set for life by now
I gotta say that this shit really seems to work. I was struggling to get 295 up on my bench 3-weeks ago and got 335 multiple times in a work/pause set. Some of the gains on this are probably from my shoulder healing as I did a lot of rowing and ancillary work while it was injured.
Otherwise, this was the only thing I changed. I got an extra 60lbs on my squat in the same time period with no injury.
The only tweek I have made is that I start lifting about an hour and fifteen minutes after I take the GPC to let the fluid from the Surge and Recovery settle.
A for marketing, I am assuming that T-Nation is going to set up a section for the new program like the V-diet.
I have also noted some great strength gains. After a few weeks I have gained 6 lbs with no fat gain, I may even be a bit leaner. Six pounds isn’t much, but I’ll take it. I am also 10 lbs. away from repping my 1Rm in deadlift.
As far as marketing goes, I’m thinking your new avatar pic will do!
I gotta say that this shit really seems to work. I was struggling to get 295 up on my bench 3-weeks ago and got 335 multiple times in a work/pause set. Some of the gains on this are probably from my shoulder healing as I did a lot of rowing and ancillary work while it was injured.
Otherwise, this was the only thing I changed. I got an extra 60lbs on my squat in the same time period with no injury.
The only tweek I have made is that I start lifting about an hour and fifteen minutes after I take the GPC to let the fluid from the Surge and Recovery settle.
A for marketing, I am assuming that T-Nation is going to set up a section for the new program like the V-diet.
-BJM[/quote]
The Alpha-GPC truly is amazing stuff and it is HIGHLY underrated. It’s one of those things that only those really in tune with their body REALLY notice working while they are taking it. Others notice how good it worked when they actually stop using it!
As far as marketing goes, I’m thinking your new avatar pic will do![/quote]
Thx, I believe in doing what I preach. Nothing worse than a coach who doesn’t even look like he has done his homework. No need to be (or look) elite level, most coaches became coaches because they didn’t have the genetics to reach the elite level anyway, but at least present the results of your own theory on yourself!
Can this protocol be tweaked slightly and still be optimal? I was thinking of waiting about 10-15 minutes more after the Surge Recovery (so 25 minutes in total) before starting my workout? Finding otherwise it takes me about 20 minutes to get going which I think is due the shakes settling. Thanks.
[quote]jk270 wrote:
Can this protocol be tweaked slightly and still be optimal? I was thinking of waiting about 10-15 minutes more after the Surge Recovery (so 25 minutes in total) before starting my workout? Finding otherwise it takes me about 20 minutes to get going which I think is due the shakes settling. Thanks.[/quote]
Yes, it will still work. Insulin will still be elevated and there will be aminos floating around still.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
BlakedaMan wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
heckya911 wrote:
Coach: I think there are alot of us that are a bit confused since there are several para-workout protocols mentioned in this thread. There are some with cassein, some with anaconda and surge recovery. What is the best protocol to use? I am getting ready to purchase Surge workout fuel, recovery and finibars and don’t know which route to take. Also what would the macros look like for the rest of the day if you are gaining muscle or losing fat, nothing is mentioned. Just want to know so I do not purchase the wrong items, I want to start asap. Thank you
The best protocol, the official one, will be:
-90 Alpha-GPC
-45 2 Finibars
-30 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel
-15 2 scoops Surge Recovery
during the workout 2 scoops Anaconda
60 minutes after the workout 20g casein hydrolysate
The minimal protocol is 1 of everything instead of 2 and the heavy loading is 3 instead of 2
Ahhh so is that how you’ll be offering package discounts for using the paraworkout protocol?? The small (1 each), medium (2 each), and large (3 each) package deals?
Dunno about that. I have not designed everything with marketing in mind. I’m the lousiest guy with marketing and making money… otherwise I would be set for life by now :)[/quote]
Damn well it’s a good thought (I remember you mentioning you had brought up the idea of a package discount and it was “well received”). You guys should definitely consider doing that. Like, a smaller discount for the 1 each users, a bigger for the 2 each users, and the biggest discount for the 3 each users. That would definitely provide a huge incentive to use the entire paraworkout protocol.
I have used Power Drive in the past and i really enjoyed the benefits in the gym and out, but i am torn between ordering this or Alpha-GPC. Assuming you have experienced both, Would you say Power Drive and Alpha-GPC have very similar effects? Or is Power Drive more versatile in improving your mood and well being (as i have experience) and Alpha-GPC more of a workout specific supp.
Without access to Biotest, I’ve designed this humble protocol. Can you give me your opinion? I have 3 amounts, for low, medium and high priorities. So medium it would be something like that:
100 minus
5 grams Leucine
90 minus
40 grams Isolate
60 minus
40 grams glycerol
5 grams creatine
½ sea salt
45 minus
100 grams of malt rice (75 g carbs)1
25 grams isolate2
30 minus
2 SuerOral (40 grams of carbs)*3
4 grams beta alanine
6 grams leucine
1 gram vitamn C
10 minus
50 grams Simple carbs *4
25 Isolate
During
50 grams Simple carbs
25 Isolate
2 grams Beta alanine
½ sea salt
*1 Low glycemic carb. On low day 50 grams, medium 75 grams and high day 150 grams
*2 Isolate is a blend of Isolate/Hydrolysate 80:20
*3 SuerOral is look like Pedyalite. 1 pack on low, 2 on medium and 3 on high
Beta alanine, 2 on low, 4 on medium 6 on high
Leucine: 5 on low, 10 on medium, 15 on high
Citruline, 3 on low, 6 on medium, 10 on high
*4 Carbs, 25 on low, 50 on medium, 75 on high
Isolate, 15 on low, 25 on medium, 50 on high
I kind of feel lke you’ve given me the only formula that makes sense. im not a big kid, 5’9, 160ish. imagine a beefier brad pitt, that me. my training is tight, constantly evolving (im 19) and i’ve yet to nail down my para workout.
so my supps are: L-Leucine, BCAAs, Surge Recovery, giasperi nutrition whey, creatine, Alpha-GPC, and im lookin to add in beta alanine
which then leads me to believe my para nutrition should be
thats where i start to get puzzled, and im not even sure im on the right track. im guessin youd recommend FINiBARs and Surge Workout Fuel optimally, but ideally id like to hear what your logic for all the steps are.
also for a pulse, is L-Leucine, followed ten mins later by Surge Recovery acceptable?
