Questions About Peri-Workout Nutrition

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Hey coach, my current para-workout goes a little something like:

-60 : 1 Scoop BCAA
-35 : 1 Scoop Surge Workout Fuel
-15 : 1 Scoop Surge Recovery
-10 : 5g Creatine
During Workout : Water
+15 : 1 Scoop Grow! Whey + 5g Creatine
+60 : Post Workout Meal - Protein + Carbs

I tried to follow the basic structure as much as possible. The main question is, at 19 and 150 pounds, should I take your original recommended scoops or is it ok for me to take a smaller amount because of my weight? I am on a budget but I am willing to put my money into the protocol if you think my body can handle all the supps at 150 pounds. Just need a little guidance, thank you!

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[quote]IAgainstI wrote:
Hey coach, my current para-workout goes a little something like:

-60 : 1 Scoop BCAA
-35 : 1 Scoop Surge Workout Fuel
-15 : 1 Scoop Surge Recovery
-10 : 5g Creatine
During Workout : Water
+15 : 1 Scoop Grow! Whey + 5g Creatine
+60 : Post Workout Meal - Protein + Carbs

I tried to follow the basic structure as much as possible. The main question is, at 19 and 150 pounds, should I take your original recommended scoops or is it ok for me to take a smaller amount because of my weight? I am on a budget but I am willing to put my money into the protocol if you think my body can handle all the supps at 150 pounds. Just need a little guidance, thank you!
[/quote]

I would prefer that you go full dosage on the Surge Workout Fuel and Surge Recovery and drop the BCAAs if money is an issue.

263

[quote]GusBus07 wrote:
CT,

What are your thoughts on the new Curcumin supplement? Any advice as when to use it during the day?[/quote]

Great supplement to use for anti-inflamatory purposes. I use it in conjunction with Flameout to reduce inflammation and to reduce the aches and pains that might come from heavy lifting.

I use half the dose in the morning and half of it after training.

264

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
IAgainstI wrote:
Hey coach, my current para-workout goes a little something like:

-60 : 1 Scoop BCAA
-35 : 1 Scoop Surge Workout Fuel
-15 : 1 Scoop Surge Recovery
-10 : 5g Creatine
During Workout : Water
+15 : 1 Scoop Grow! Whey + 5g Creatine
+60 : Post Workout Meal - Protein + Carbs

I tried to follow the basic structure as much as possible. The main question is, at 19 and 150 pounds, should I take your original recommended scoops or is it ok for me to take a smaller amount because of my weight? I am on a budget but I am willing to put my money into the protocol if you think my body can handle all the supps at 150 pounds. Just need a little guidance, thank you!

I would prefer that you go full dosage on the Surge Workout Fuel and Surge Recovery and drop the BCAAs if money is an issue.

[/quote]

Thanks, and for active rest days do you suggest I take a Vitamin C / Creatine / Grow! Whey / and BCAA just for kicks?

265

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
GusBus07 wrote:
CT,

What are your thoughts on the new Curcumin supplement? Any advice as when to use it during the day?

Great supplement to use for anti-inflamatory purposes. I use it in conjunction with Flameout to reduce inflammation and to reduce the aches and pains that might come from heavy lifting.

I use half the dose in the morning and half of it after training.[/quote]

Thanks. If I workout right in the morning, would you suggest half before and half after, or half after and the rest later in the day?

266

[quote]GusBus07 wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
GusBus07 wrote:
CT,

What are your thoughts on the new Curcumin supplement? Any advice as when to use it during the day?

Great supplement to use for anti-inflamatory purposes. I use it in conjunction with Flameout to reduce inflammation and to reduce the aches and pains that might come from heavy lifting.

I use half the dose in the morning and half of it after training.

Thanks. If I workout right in the morning, would you suggest half before and half after, or half after and the rest later in the day?[/quote]

Take the rest later in the day

267

Iā€™ve been trying out the new para workout protocol, and continually crash between the beginning and the middle of my workout. It takes me about 5-10 minutes to recover and get back to lifting. I am only about 155 pounds so would it be a good idea to take less of the protocol? Maybe half a FINiBAR, or half the servings of Surge workout fuel or Surge recovery? Which would make the most sense to reduce? Iā€™m also taking receptor max prior to the Surge workout fuel.

Thanks!

268

[quote]Manseed wrote:
Iā€™ve been trying out the new para workout protocol, and continually crash between the beginning and the middle of my workout. It takes me about 5-10 minutes to recover and get back to lifting. I am only about 155 pounds so would it be a good idea to take less of the protocol? Maybe half a FINiBAR, or half the servings of Surge workout fuel or Surge recovery? Which would make the most sense to reduce? Iā€™m also taking receptor max prior to the Surge workout fuel.

Thanks![/quote]

The solution is rather to ADD something during the workout. I personally have a FINIBAR midway through the workout.

269

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Manseed wrote:
Iā€™ve been trying out the new para workout protocol, and continually crash between the beginning and the middle of my workout. It takes me about 5-10 minutes to recover and get back to lifting. I am only about 155 pounds so would it be a good idea to take less of the protocol? Maybe half a FINiBAR, or half the servings of Surge workout fuel or Surge recovery? Which would make the most sense to reduce? Iā€™m also taking receptor max prior to the Surge workout fuel.

Thanks!

The solution is rather to ADD something during the workout. I personally have a FINIBAR midway through the workout.[/quote]

CT, so you donā€™t have the Anaconda during your workout? Or do you take both?

270

[quote]wutan wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Manseed wrote:
Iā€™ve been trying out the new para workout protocol, and continually crash between the beginning and the middle of my workout. It takes me about 5-10 minutes to recover and get back to lifting. I am only about 155 pounds so would it be a good idea to take less of the protocol? Maybe half a FINiBAR, or half the servings of Surge workout fuel or Surge recovery? Which would make the most sense to reduce? Iā€™m also taking receptor max prior to the Surge workout fuel.

Thanks!

The solution is rather to ADD something during the workout. I personally have a FINIBAR midway through the workout.

CT, so you donā€™t have the Anaconda during your workout? Or do you take both?
[/quote]

Both

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CT, Iā€™ve done various protocols and am wondering what you think of these two:

Option 1:

High Protein meal (chicken and veggies) -60 to 90
Whey Isolate 30g (actually an 8 source blend) -30
BCAAs .4g/lb during w/o
Whey Isolate 30g/simple carbs 50-100g +30
High protein meal +60-90

Option 2:

High Protein meal -60 to 90
Whey Isolate 60g -30
BCAAs .2g/lb -10
water during
BCAAs .2g/lb + 50-100g simple carb +10
High protein meal +60-90

Carb intake depends on the diet being followed. More a fan of Option #2 as worrying about sipping BCAAs makes me lose focus and I donā€™t run out of gas.

272

Coach: I think there are alot of us that are a bit confused since there are several para-workout protocols mentioned in this thread. There are some with cassein, some with anaconda and surge recovery. What is the best protocol to use?

I am getting ready to purchase Surge Workout Fuel, Surge Recovery and Finibars and donā€™t know which route to take. Also what would the macros look like for the rest of the day if you are gaining muscle or losing fat, nothing is mentioned. Just want to know so I do not purchase the wrong items, I want to start asap. Thank you

273

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
GoDawgs wrote:
I, like 99.99% of the training world, donā€™t have access to Anaconda or any of the other high end secret supplements that you lucky ones have your hands on. What would be the best alternative para-workout nutrition for those who have access to the currently available Biotest supps(Surge Workout Fuel, Surge Recovery, BCAA, etc.) and other easily available supps?

Also, could you provide some cheaper alternatives to those who canā€™t afford the cost of certain protocols but want to optimize WO nutrition within their budget?

Thanks

If you canā€™t get Anaconda the protocols to do are as follow:

PROTOCOL 1 (1-3 times per week, when working on a weak area)
Workout - 60 = Alpha-GPC
W - 40 = 1 FINiBAR
W - 30 = 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel
W - 15 = 2 scoops Surge Recovery
During workout (early half) = 1 FINiBAR
During workout (later half) = 1 scoop Surge Workout Fuel
W + 15 = Grow! Whey 2 scoops
W + 90 minutes = Grow! Whey 2 scoops

PROTOCOL 2 (other workouts)
Workout - 60 = Alpha-GPC
W - 40 = 1 FINiBAR
W - 30 = 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel
During workout (early half) = 1 FINiBAR
During workout (later half) = 1 scoop Surge Workout Fuel
W + 15 = 1 scoop Surge Recovery, 1 scoop Grow! Whey
W + 90 = Grow! Whey 2 scoops[/quote]

Hi CT,

How would you adjust either protocol for sessions that last 90-120 minutes, with the last 15 mins being some kind of cardio/interval training.

Thanks

274

[quote]heckya911 wrote:
Coach: I think there are alot of us that are a bit confused since there are several para-workout protocols mentioned in this thread. There are some with cassein, some with anaconda and surge recovery. What is the best protocol to use? I am getting ready to purchase Surge workout fuel, recovery and finibars and donā€™t know which route to take. Also what would the macros look like for the rest of the day if you are gaining muscle or losing fat, nothing is mentioned. Just want to know so I do not purchase the wrong items, I want to start asap. Thank you[/quote]

The best protocol, the official one, will be:

-90 Alpha-GPC
-45 2 Finibars
-30 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel
-15 2 scoops Surge Recovery
during the workout 2 scoops Anaconda
60 minutes after the workout 20g casein hydrolysate

The minimal protocol is 1 of everything instead of 2 and the heavy loading is 3 instead of 2

275

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
heckya911 wrote:
Coach: I think there are alot of us that are a bit confused since there are several para-workout protocols mentioned in this thread. There are some with cassein, some with anaconda and surge recovery. What is the best protocol to use? I am getting ready to purchase Surge workout fuel, recovery and finibars and donā€™t know which route to take. Also what would the macros look like for the rest of the day if you are gaining muscle or losing fat, nothing is mentioned. Just want to know so I do not purchase the wrong items, I want to start asap. Thank you

The best protocol, the official one, will be:

-90 Alpha-GPC
-45 2 Finibars
-30 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel
-15 2 scoops Surge Recovery
during the workout 2 scoops Anaconda
60 minutes after the workout 20g casein hydrolysate

The minimal protocol is 1 of everything instead of 2 and the heavy loading is 3 instead of 2[/quote]

CT since I do not have access to Anaconda can I use 2 scoops of Surge Recovery during the workout and 60 min after the workout.Thanks.

276

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
heckya911 wrote:
Coach: I think there are alot of us that are a bit confused since there are several para-workout protocols mentioned in this thread. There are some with cassein, some with anaconda and surge recovery. What is the best protocol to use? I am getting ready to purchase Surge workout fuel, recovery and finibars and donā€™t know which route to take. Also what would the macros look like for the rest of the day if you are gaining muscle or losing fat, nothing is mentioned. Just want to know so I do not purchase the wrong items, I want to start asap. Thank you

The best protocol, the official one, will be:

-90 Alpha-GPC
-45 2 Finibars
-30 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel
-15 2 scoops Surge Recovery
during the workout 2 scoops Anaconda
60 minutes after the workout 20g

The minimal protocol is 1 of everything instead of 2 and the heavy loading is 3 instead of 2[/quote]

Without having access to Anaconda, I am assuming you would recommend casein hydrolysate in its place to take suring the workout. How many grams of casein hydrolysate should be taken during this time, and can anything be added to it to make it more effecient.

Thanks Thibs

277

Coach

Iā€™m wondering if using Surge Recovery 15 mins prior to training, and taking another scoop during the first half of my session would negate any effects of post workout cardio. I find it convenient to do my cardio and strength training in the same trip to the gym, but my thinking is that I would just be burning the sugars in the Surge, rather than fat. Thanks.

278

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
heckya911 wrote:
Coach: I think there are alot of us that are a bit confused since there are several para-workout protocols mentioned in this thread. There are some with cassein, some with anaconda and surge recovery. What is the best protocol to use? I am getting ready to purchase Surge workout fuel, recovery and finibars and donā€™t know which route to take. Also what would the macros look like for the rest of the day if you are gaining muscle or losing fat, nothing is mentioned. Just want to know so I do not purchase the wrong items, I want to start asap. Thank you

The best protocol, the official one, will be:

-90 Alpha-GPC
-45 2 Finibars
-30 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel
-15 2 scoops Surge Recovery
during the workout 2 scoops Anaconda
60 minutes after the workout 20g casein hydrolysate

The minimal protocol is 1 of everything instead of 2 and the heavy loading is 3 instead of 2[/quote]

So by using this protocol on a fat loss phase, what would the macroā€™s be on fat? 0.5 gram per lb bodyweight? I purchased the get jacked program a few months ago, it was awesome. I want to transition onto a mini fat loss phase. I had a few too many cheat days after the get jacked program.

279

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
GoDawgs wrote:
I, like 99.99% of the training world, donā€™t have access to Anaconda or any of the other high end secret supplements that you lucky ones have your hands on. What would be the best alternative para-workout nutrition for those who have access to the currently available Biotest supps(Surge Workout Fuel, Surge Recovery, BCAA, etc.) and other easily available supps?

Also, could you provide some cheaper alternatives to those who canā€™t afford the cost of certain protocols but want to optimize WO nutrition within their budget?

Thanks

If you canā€™t get Anaconda the protocols to do are as follow:

PROTOCOL 1 (1-3 times per week, when working on a weak area)
Workout - 60 = Alpha-GPC
W - 40 = 1 FINiBAR
W - 30 = 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel
W - 15 = 2 scoops Surge Recovery
During workout (early half) = 1 FINiBAR
During workout (later half) = 1 scoop Surge Workout Fuel
W + 15 = Grow! Whey 2 scoops
W + 90 minutes = Grow! Whey 2 scoops

PROTOCOL 2 (other workouts)
Workout - 60 = Alpha-GPC
W - 40 = 1 FINiBAR
W - 30 = 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel
During workout (early half) = 1 FINiBAR
During workout (later half) = 1 scoop Surge Workout Fuel
W + 15 = 1 scoop Surge Recovery, 1 scoop Grow! Whey
W + 90 = Grow! Whey 2 scoops[/quote]

Christian-

How does this protocol, or the concepts behind it, apply to the endurance athlete, the team sport athlete, or the track and field athlete seeking optimal RECOVERY from training? I am not referring to the supplementary weight training, but the long runs, intervals, ā€˜conditioningā€™, intense skill practice, and/or speed work the athlete must perform?

Would a similar protocol be appropriate? What about digestive issues?

Similarly, are the pulsing protocols appopriate as well?

Thanks for the help.

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
GoDawgs wrote:
I, like 99.99% of the training world, donā€™t have access to Anaconda or any of the other high end secret supplements that you lucky ones have your hands on. What would be the best alternative para-workout nutrition for those who have access to the currently available Biotest supps(Surge Workout Fuel, Surge Recovery, BCAA, etc.) and other easily available supps?

Also, could you provide some cheaper alternatives to those who canā€™t afford the cost of certain protocols but want to optimize WO nutrition within their budget?

Thanks

If you canā€™t get Anaconda the protocols to do are as follow:

PROTOCOL 1 (1-3 times per week, when working on a weak area)
Workout - 60 = Alpha-GPC
W - 40 = 1 FINiBAR
W - 30 = 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel
W - 15 = 2 scoops Surge Recovery
During workout (early half) = 1 FINiBAR
During workout (later half) = 1 scoop Surge Workout Fuel
W + 15 = Grow! Whey 2 scoops
W + 90 minutes = Grow! Whey 2 scoops

PROTOCOL 2 (other workouts)
Workout - 60 = Alpha-GPC
W - 40 = 1 FINiBAR
W - 30 = 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel
During workout (early half) = 1 FINiBAR
During workout (later half) = 1 scoop Surge Workout Fuel
W + 15 = 1 scoop Surge Recovery, 1 scoop Grow! Whey
W + 90 = Grow! Whey 2 scoops[/quote]

Hi CT

For sessions which last 90-120 minutes how would adjust the protocol?

Thanks