[quote]BlakedaMan wrote:
During workout would there be a significant difference between using WPC and using a blend of WPC (50%), WPI (25%), and whey hydrolysate (25%)? The blend is about 25% more expensive, but would the results be worth it or would WPC be effective?[/quote]
Didn’t CT recently say that WPI and WPC wouldn’t be much benefit during training?
Just did my first workout with the protocol (sans Anaconda/ch), and I had a good workout… good pump going for sure. My weights were up a little also, but not much more than I would have expected w/out the protocol.
The only problem was, I just about vomited from all the water I took in before and during the workout (some with the FINiBAR, Surge Workout Fuel, and Surge Recovery). Anybody have any tips to help with this? What’s the lowest water to powder ratio you can use before absorption is affected?
Christian, is the Alpha-GPC beneficial in higher rep phases? Is it better just to save it for the heavier workouts?
[quote]Professor Chaos wrote:
Just did my first workout with the protocol (sans Anaconda/ch), and I had a good workout… good pump going for sure. My weights were up a little also, but not much more than I would have expected w/out the protocol.
The only problem was, I just about vomited from all the water I took in before and during the workout (some with the FINiBAR, Surge Workout Fuel, and Surge Recovery). Anybody have any tips to help with this? What’s the lowest water to powder ratio you can use before absorption is affected?
Christian, is the Alpha-GPC beneficial in higher rep phases? Is it better just to save it for the heavier workouts?
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I’ve had the same problem with the water intake. I was so full I started gagging trying to get it all down. Since then I mix 1 scoop Surge Workout Fuel in 10oz water and take a few sips just to help get the FINiBAR down. Then I wait 10 mins and drink the rest of Surge Workout Fuel. Finally I mix 2 scoops of Surge Recovery in 20oz of water about 10-15mins before my training session. I either have 1 more serving of Surge Recovery or nothing at all during training.
Hey Coach,
In an earlier post, you mentioned that whey isolate and concentrate both have similar absorption of 5 or 6 on a scale of 1-10. If that’s the case, why would you prefer Grow Whey over Metabolic Drive? When would you use Metabolic Drive and how important is the micellar casein that the description talks about?
Also, why not use protocol 1 for all workouts if that gives the best result? Is it because of the higher calories could cause too much fat gain? Thanks
[quote]panman99 wrote:
Hey Coach,
In an earlier post, you mentioned that whey isolate and concentrate both have similar absorption of 5 or 6 on a scale of 1-10. If that’s the case, why would you prefer Grow Whey over Metabolic Drive? When would you use Metabolic Drive and how important is the micellar casein that the description talks about?
Also, why not use protocol 1 for all workouts if that gives the best result? Is it because of the higher calories could cause too much fat gain? Thanks[/quote]
Metabolic Drive is mostly a miscellar casein product. MC is absorbed really slowly (while casein hydrolysate is absorbed super fast). The best time to use it is before bed.
Coach -
If you have addressed this I apologize, but I have seen a number of different alternatives based on goal, though the pre-workout and post-workout windows are pretty consistent:
PRE:
Minus 60: 2 Alpha GPC
Minus 40: 1 Finibar
Minus 30: 2 scoops SWF
POST:
Workout Plus 60: 12 g CH pulse
Workout Plus 90: Fast absorbed protein meal
My question comes around the workout portion. In the absence of ANACONDA, I was just wondering what the latest knowledge / experimentation advocates based on objective or starting weight:
Option 1 of Minus 10: 12 g CH; During workout: 24 g CH
Option 2 of Minus 10: 1 scoop RECOVERY; During workout: 24 g CH
Option 3 of Minus 10: 2 scoops RECOVERY; During workout: 24 g CH
Option 4 of Minus 10: 2 scoops RECOVERY; During Workout: 1 Finibar and 1 scoop SWF
Option 5 of Minus 10: 1 scoop RECOVERY; During Workout: 1 scoop RECOVERY
Thank you again for all of you help and support - and your willingness to not rest on your laurels, but continually trying to improve upon training and nutritional methods.
Coach,
What are your thoughts behind consuming a protein drink during your workout ?
David Barr speculates that this would be largley suboptimal due to:
reduced gut blood flow, the state of protein resistance induced by prolonged amino acid exposure which is said to essentially kill PS (by sipping on a protein drink), the inability to absorp protein during physical exercise (protein blackout) and the blunted insulin respone from consuming carbs or a hydrolyzed protein through-out the workout which would minimize blood flow and the anabolic effect.
Hi Coach,
Just had a couple quick questions regarding the protocol you laid out on page 1 of this thread:
How long of a training session is this designed for? I currently train for 45-60 minutes and am assuming that this protocol is designed for such, but want to make sure.
I currently eat about 300-400 more calories outside of the para-workout window (and about 100-200 more immediately afterward) on my priority days (legs and back). Would you recommend keeping these excess non-workout calories when using this protocol, or will the extra Surge Recovery and Whey take care of it?
Thank you for your time,
DT
[quote]Dan Thompson wrote:
How long of a training session is this designed for? I currently train for 45-60 minutes and am assuming that this protocol is designed for such, but want to make sure.
I currently eat about 300-400 more calories outside of the para-workout window (and about 100-200 more immediately afterward) on my priority days (legs and back). Would you recommend keeping these excess non-workout calories when using this protocol, or will the extra Surge Recovery and Whey take care of it?
Thank you for your time,
DT [/quote]
Normally 60 - 75 minutes
It will take care of it.
Hey coach, i have a question about the outlined protocol from the first page of discussion.
[quote]PROTOCOL 1 (1-3 times per week, when working on a weak area)
Workout - 60 = Alpha-GPC
W - 40 = 1 FINiBAR
W - 30 = 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel
W - 15 = 2 scoops Surge Recovery
During workout (early half) = 1 FINiBAR
During workout (later half) = 1 scoop Surge Workout Fuel
W + 15 = Grow! Whey 2 scoops
W + 90 minutes = Grow! Whey 2 scoops [/quote]
With a price of more than 16$(or a bit less, for no-weak-bodypart days) for such a protocol, per training, are there any cheaper alternatives?
as a student in Europe, i can only dream of spending 16$ per workout, even 10$ is out of this world, let alone buy Biotest products.(think double price of what anyone in USA is paying because of shipping and customs)
In basic supplements, say whey-hydrolysate, bcaa/leucine, dextrose, maltodextrine, regular whey, casein and such - what would be the best protocol in your opinion? (no actual brands discussion, just a hand out to your European readers who find it unreasonably difficult to aquire Biotest’s stuff)
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Dan Thompson wrote:
How long of a training session is this designed for? I currently train for 45-60 minutes and am assuming that this protocol is designed for such, but want to make sure.
I currently eat about 300-400 more calories outside of the para-workout window (and about 100-200 more immediately afterward) on my priority days (legs and back). Would you recommend keeping these excess non-workout calories when using this protocol, or will the extra Surge Recovery and Whey take care of it?
Thank you for your time,
DT
Normally 60 - 75 minutes
It will take care of it. [/quote]
Hi CT
For sessions which last 90-120 minutes how would adjust the protocol?
Thanks
Can’t wait!
Marko is using your protocol and he loves it.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Jelena Abbou wrote:
Hi Chris,
Marko will be doing your protocol, also I had him on your shoulder workout (3x a week)
Should he use Protocol 2 (priority workouts) 3 times a week?
Also should I be trying Anaconda if I don’t want to get any bigger?
We will be sending you a specific protocol. Anaconda will be part of it, it’s the FINiBAR and Surge recovery that will be in lower doses.[/quote]
[quote]Jelena Abbou wrote:
Can’t wait!
Marko is using your protocol and he loves it.
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Jelena Abbou wrote:
Hi Chris,
Marko will be doing your protocol, also I had him on your shoulder workout (3x a week)
Should he use Protocol 2 (priority workouts) 3 times a week?
Also should I be trying Anaconda if I don’t want to get any bigger?
We will be sending you a specific protocol. Anaconda will be part of it, it’s the FINiBAR and Surge recovery that will be in lower doses.
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Jelena, it will be interesting to see what programming you get and your results here. My wife just got your new Oxygen cover in the mail, and you are looking pretty damn perfect, so I don’t know what the heck Thibs can do to improve your look!
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Normally 60 - 75 minutes
It will take care of it. [/quote]
Terrific. Just placed an order last night and cannot wait to try this out.
Thanks coach.
[quote]HG Thrower wrote:
Jelena Abbou wrote:
Can’t wait!
Marko is using your protocol and he loves it.
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Jelena Abbou wrote:
Hi Chris,
Marko will be doing your protocol, also I had him on your shoulder workout (3x a week)
Should he use Protocol 2 (priority workouts) 3 times a week?
Also should I be trying Anaconda if I don’t want to get any bigger?
We will be sending you a specific protocol. Anaconda will be part of it, it’s the FINiBAR and Surge recovery that will be in lower doses.
Jelena, it will be interesting to see what programming you get and your results here. My wife just got your new Oxygen cover in the mail, and you are looking pretty damn perfect, so I don’t know what the heck Thibs can do to improve your look![/quote]
Thank you so much 
Coach, sorry if I missed it but did you ever post pics of your before and after results with the para-workout protocol?
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
If you can’t get Anaconda the protocols to do are as follow:
PROTOCOL 1 (1-3 times per week, when working on a weak area)
Workout - 60 = Alpha-GPC
W - 40 = 1 FINiBAR
W - 30 = 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel
W - 15 = 2 scoops Surge Recovery
During workout (early half) = 1 FINiBAR
During workout (later half) = 1 scoop Surge Workout Fuel
W + 15 = Grow! Whey 2 scoops
W + 90 minutes = Grow! Whey 2 scoops
PROTOCOL 2 (other workouts)
Workout - 60 = Alpha-GPC
W - 40 = 1 FINiBAR
W - 30 = 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel
During workout (early half) = 1 FINiBAR
During workout (later half) = 1 scoop Surge Workout Fuel
W +15 = 1 scoop Surge Recovery, 1 scoop Grow! Whey
W +90 = Grow! Whey 2 scoops
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Wow thatâ??s an intense, both in the sense of products and $, pre/post workout nutrition.
How does the following avg joe plan compare:
W - 90 to 120 = eat a big ass meal packed with protein, some carbs and fats
W - 30 = one to two scoops of whey protein
W - 15 = one fourth to one eighth cup of d-dextrose, 15-20g of BCAAs, 3g taurine, 1cup coffee
During workout = whey protein or BCAAs if you must
W 15 = if you are not on a low CARB diet â?? one fourth cup dextrose + one fourth cup maltodextrin + 20g BCAA + 1scoop whey
W 60 to 90 = 2scoops whey
I am sure itâ??s not as good in comparison to yours but if you donâ??t have a lot to spend I think itâ??d be fine. You can throw in some vitamin c pre and post workout if youâ??d like. Comments?
In response to your protocol laid out on the first page of posts, if we have access to CH, how would this protocol change if at all?
Thanks
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Coach, sorry if I missed it but did you ever post pics of your before and after results with the para-workout protocol?[/quote]
As I told you, we have a photo shoot scheduled in NY in about a week.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
pumped340 wrote:
Coach, sorry if I missed it but did you ever post pics of your before and after results with the para-workout protocol?
As I told you, we have a photo shoot scheduled in NY in about a week.[/quote]
Yea I knew you mentioned it (which is why I brought it up) but I forgot the date and couldn’t find the post