I also would like to see any references you might have as I’ve done searches and have come up empty-handed. I think that might help a lot of people, myself included, to understand that there is science behind these ideas and not just speculation.
Thanks for all of your time answering questions. The community appreciates it.
[quote]eggers wrote:
In the past, you’ve indicated that taking Vitamin C post-workout can decrease cortisol levels, but taking too much can be a bad thing. How do you chose the proper dosage of Vitamin C to take post-workout to get the cortisol-lowering benefits without any of the drawbacks?
Thanks.[/quote]
You go with the minimum amount that can help … 500mg. The effect of mega-dosing on cortisol isn’t even that significant. It’s a little thing that, when added up to all the other steps can eventually make a difference.
[quote]MontisVerdes wrote:
Thibs,
I got caught in a jam and have to skip a workout after pre-mixing 3 shakes- Surge Workout Fuel, Surge Recovery, and CH. Will all 3 of those keep in the refrigerator for 24 hours?
Thanks.[/quote]
There will be some degradation for sure. I personally would thrown them away. But a cheaper man might use them without losing too much of the effects
Hi Coach,
I have noticed that in the non-Anaconda version of this protocol, you have included a scoop of Surge Workout Fuel and the Finibar in place of the Anaconda DURING the workout. I’m assuming thats big difference in the amount of protein being ingested during a workout. Why have you chosen the 2 slow carb products instead?
Thanks
Coach,
I have been reading through these posts about this new protocol and think it sounds really effective. I would like to give it a try but do not have that much money, as others have stated, but I have the advantage of being relatively small. I say advantage because I am thinking I could cut the amounts on some of the stuff and still achieve very good results.
To start I am 5’8" and currently weigh 180lbs, but I am working on cutting some fat and will probably be around 165lbs. I used to be quite fat, somewhere around 300lbs, so as such I have not really worked much on gaining muscle because weight loss has been my main priority.
Here is the protocol I am thinking of doing for myself:
60 min. prior - Alpha-GPC
40 min. prior - 1/2 Finibar
30 min. prior - 1 Scoop WO Fuel
10 min. prior - 2 Scoops Recovery
First half of WO - 1/2 Finibar
Second half of WO - 1 Scoop WO Fuel
60 min. after WO - 1 Scoop Whey
90 min. after WO - Normal meal
This is what I came up with based on how I understand it’s supposed to work. It seems to me this would be as close I could get financially but would work since I am smaller. Any suggestions would be appreciated, and I will attempt to incorporate it as best as I can.
Coach:
After a particularly intense training session, I find that the post workout meal of a banana and 20-30g or protein just isn’t enough. I get ridiculously hungry and hour, two hours, and even three hours later. I realize I need to fuel the furnance, but how much is too much? My stomach could probably hold two 12" subs an hour or two after my workout. Should I just eat when I get hungry or stick to the “eat every 3 hours” plan after my post workout meal? Thanks.
Coach,
Would the recommended protocol be beneficial for one not really interested in increasing muscle mass, but morso strength and fatloss? I do both heavy low rep lifting and intervals.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Gymjunkie wrote:
If I understand you post correctly, your saying that unless we are using ANACONDA (which may be available) its not worth while?
Would it give the protocol a bad name, given that the results wont be the same as if followed to the T? - Not arguing or been smart, just want to understand.
Appreciate your advice,
GJ
Well, not using Anaconda is one of the caveats as it is not available as of now, and may not be because of the sheer cost of production. So we might have to find ways of doing the strategy without it and without losing too much.
But doing the protocol without Anaconda. And doing it without Surge Workout Fuel, FINiBARs and Surge Recovery is another story. Worse case scenario I could see not using the bars if you are on a diet. but the other contain elements that ar crucial to the good workings of the protocol.
The part of your plan that was fine was the during the day pulsing with CH. That’s fine. You are doing a good job at that. But the Frankenstein you tried to create para-workout is a mistake.
If you cannot perform at least 2/3rd of the protocol as it is, might as well skip it entirely. Just go with a normal post-workout shake and use the pulse for the rest of the day.[/quote]
Hi, Coach,
I think many of us have this doubt: if, finally, this protocol is not recommended while on a strict ketogenic diet, what do you suggest as paraworkout nutrition in this case? Should we stick with the protocol from your “Refined Physique” article? Or do you have a better alternative, with your current knowledge, if one wants to stay in ketosis?
Thank you very much! This time you spend with these protocols and advanced nutrition in order to keep us informed is very valuable.
Coach,
Because of finances at the moment, I’m forced to cut back on spending a bit. Which supplement would you recommend to go with Surge Recovery, Workout Fuel or FINiBARS? I’m on a fat loss phase by the way. Thanks for your time.
[quote]dragunbayne wrote:
Coach,
I have been reading through these posts about this new protocol and think it sounds really effective. I would like to give it a try but do not have that much money, as others have stated, but I have the advantage of being relatively small. I say advantage because I am thinking I could cut the amounts on some of the stuff and still achieve very good results.
To start I am 5’8" and currently weigh 180lbs, but I am working on cutting some fat and will probably be around 165lbs. I used to be quite fat, somewhere around 300lbs, so as such I have not really worked much on gaining muscle because weight loss has been my main priority.
Here is the protocol I am thinking of doing for myself:
60 min. prior - Alpha-GPC
40 min. prior - 1/2 Finibar
30 min. prior - 1 Scoop WO Fuel
10 min. prior - 2 Scoops Recovery
First half of WO - 1/2 Finibar
Second half of WO - 1 Scoop WO Fuel
60 min. after WO - 1 Scoop Whey
90 min. after WO - Normal meal
This is what I came up with based on how I understand it’s supposed to work. It seems to me this would be as close I could get financially but would work since I am smaller. Any suggestions would be appreciated, and I will attempt to incorporate it as best as I can.[/quote]
Coach,
I got to thinking and I can get a good quality Casein Hydroslate. I understand that Anaconda has more than that in it, but would my protocol work better if I were to use CH during the workout? Or another thought I had was to add some CH to the Workout Fuel during the workout if that would function a little more like Anaconda due to having the extra anabolic components.
[quote]dragunbayne wrote:
dragunbayne wrote:
Coach,
I have been reading through these posts about this new protocol and think it sounds really effective. I would like to give it a try but do not have that much money, as others have stated, but I have the advantage of being relatively small. I say advantage because I am thinking I could cut the amounts on some of the stuff and still achieve very good results.
To start I am 5’8" and currently weigh 180lbs, but I am working on cutting some fat and will probably be around 165lbs. I used to be quite fat, somewhere around 300lbs, so as such I have not really worked much on gaining muscle because weight loss has been my main priority.
Here is the protocol I am thinking of doing for myself:
60 min. prior - Alpha-GPC
40 min. prior - 1/2 Finibar
30 min. prior - 1 Scoop WO Fuel
10 min. prior - 2 Scoops Recovery
First half of WO - 1/2 Finibar
Second half of WO - 1 Scoop WO Fuel
60 min. after WO - 1 Scoop Whey
90 min. after WO - Normal meal
This is what I came up with based on how I understand it’s supposed to work. It seems to me this would be as close I could get financially but would work since I am smaller. Any suggestions would be appreciated, and I will attempt to incorporate it as best as I can.
Coach,
I got to thinking and I can get a good quality Casein Hydroslate. I understand that Anaconda has more than that in it, but would my protocol work better if I were to use CH during the workout? Or another thought I had was to add some CH to the Workout Fuel during the workout if that would function a little more like Anaconda due to having the extra anabolic components.[/quote]
Ye, CH would be the better choice.
[quote]mabbott29 wrote:
Coach,
Because of finances at the moment, I’m forced to cut back on spending a bit. Which supplement would you recommend to go with Surge Recovery, Workout Fuel or FINiBARS? I’m on a fat loss phase by the way. Thanks for your time.[/quote]
I’ve got to thinking and decided not to try to give a cheapended out version of the protocol, which will end up not really working and will make me look bad.
If you can not invest the required money to do the whole protocol, go with the ‘old school’ post-workout strategy of having 2 scoops of SURGE RECOVERY after your session.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
dragunbayne wrote:
dragunbayne wrote:
Coach,
I have been reading through these posts about this new protocol and think it sounds really effective. I would like to give it a try but do not have that much money, as others have stated, but I have the advantage of being relatively small. I say advantage because I am thinking I could cut the amounts on some of the stuff and still achieve very good results.
To start I am 5’8" and currently weigh 180lbs, but I am working on cutting some fat and will probably be around 165lbs. I used to be quite fat, somewhere around 300lbs, so as such I have not really worked much on gaining muscle because weight loss has been my main priority.
Here is the protocol I am thinking of doing for myself:
60 min. prior - Alpha-GPC
40 min. prior - 1/2 Finibar
30 min. prior - 1 Scoop WO Fuel
10 min. prior - 2 Scoops Recovery
First half of WO - 1/2 Finibar
Second half of WO - 1 Scoop WO Fuel
60 min. after WO - 1 Scoop Whey
90 min. after WO - Normal meal
This is what I came up with based on how I understand it’s supposed to work. It seems to me this would be as close I could get financially but would work since I am smaller. Any suggestions would be appreciated, and I will attempt to incorporate it as best as I can.
Coach,
I got to thinking and I can get a good quality Casein Hydroslate. I understand that Anaconda has more than that in it, but would my protocol work better if I were to use CH during the workout? Or another thought I had was to add some CH to the Workout Fuel during the workout if that would function a little more like Anaconda due to having the extra anabolic components.
Ye, CH would be the better choice.
[/quote]
Awesome! So just CH on it’s own during the workout and it would be pretty tight for someone like me (I would consume a whole Finibar and 2 scoops of Workout Fuel before the workout btw)? Also one thing I haven’t read is during the workout are we supposed to drink it as a pulse in one shot or sip it?
I greatly appreciate the input!
Jesse
Would it be optimal to drink Surge Recovery during the workout if I did not want to use SWF to save some cash (college student)?
So for example
-60: 2 caps Alpha GPC
-40: 1 FINiBAR
-30: 1 scoop Surge Workout Fuel
-10: 1 scoop Surge Recovery
Halfway through: 1 scoop Surge Recovery
+15: protein
+90: protein
Or would I be better off waiting until post to have the SR?
Thanks for your time.
[quote]GusBus07 wrote:
Would it be optimal to drink Surge Recovery during the workout if I did not want to use SWF to save some cash (college student)?
So for example
-60: 2 caps Alpha GPC
-40: 1 FINiBAR
-30: 1 scoop Surge Workout Fuel
-10: 1 scoop Surge Recovery
Halfway through: 1 scoop Surge Recovery
+15: protein
+90: protein
Or would I be better off waiting until post to have the SR?
Thanks for your time.[/quote]
That would actually be pretty effective; but you do not need the protein at +15 but ingest the one of +90 at +60 instead… at +90 have a solid meal
[quote]dragunbayne wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
dragunbayne wrote:
dragunbayne wrote:
Coach,
I have been reading through these posts about this new protocol and think it sounds really effective. I would like to give it a try but do not have that much money, as others have stated, but I have the advantage of being relatively small. I say advantage because I am thinking I could cut the amounts on some of the stuff and still achieve very good results.
To start I am 5’8" and currently weigh 180lbs, but I am working on cutting some fat and will probably be around 165lbs. I used to be quite fat, somewhere around 300lbs, so as such I have not really worked much on gaining muscle because weight loss has been my main priority.
Here is the protocol I am thinking of doing for myself:
60 min. prior - Alpha-GPC
40 min. prior - 1/2 Finibar
30 min. prior - 1 Scoop WO Fuel
10 min. prior - 2 Scoops Recovery
First half of WO - 1/2 Finibar
Second half of WO - 1 Scoop WO Fuel
60 min. after WO - 1 Scoop Whey
90 min. after WO - Normal meal
This is what I came up with based on how I understand it’s supposed to work. It seems to me this would be as close I could get financially but would work since I am smaller. Any suggestions would be appreciated, and I will attempt to incorporate it as best as I can.
Coach,
I got to thinking and I can get a good quality Casein Hydroslate. I understand that Anaconda has more than that in it, but would my protocol work better if I were to use CH during the workout? Or another thought I had was to add some CH to the Workout Fuel during the workout if that would function a little more like Anaconda due to having the extra anabolic components.
Ye, CH would be the better choice.
Awesome! So just CH on it’s own during the workout and it would be pretty tight for someone like me (I would consume a whole Finibar and 2 scoops of Workout Fuel before the workout btw)? Also one thing I haven’t read is during the workout are we supposed to drink it as a pulse in one shot or sip it?
I greatly appreciate the input!
Jesse
[/quote]
1 scoop around 1/3 in, 1 scoop 2/3 in
Thanks for the quick reply.
Would you have any suggestions for the solid meal at +90 as I workout in the morning and then go immediately to work until noon? I have usually just been bringing a protein shake with me for +60 and maybe some nuts for +90.
[quote]Enerexus wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Gymjunkie wrote:
If I understand you post correctly, your saying that unless we are using ANACONDA (which may be available) its not worth while?
Would it give the protocol a bad name, given that the results wont be the same as if followed to the T? - Not arguing or been smart, just want to understand.
Appreciate your advice,
GJ
Well, not using Anaconda is one of the caveats as it is not available as of now, and may not be because of the sheer cost of production. So we might have to find ways of doing the strategy without it and without losing too much.
But doing the protocol without Anaconda. And doing it without Surge Workout Fuel, FINiBARs and Surge Recovery is another story. Worse case scenario I could see not using the bars if you are on a diet. but the other contain elements that ar crucial to the good workings of the protocol.
The part of your plan that was fine was the during the day pulsing with CH. That’s fine. You are doing a good job at that. But the Frankenstein you tried to create para-workout is a mistake.
If you cannot perform at least 2/3rd of the protocol as it is, might as well skip it entirely. Just go with a normal post-workout shake and use the pulse for the rest of the day.
Hi, Coach,
I think many of us have this doubt: if, finally, this protocol is not recommended while on a strict ketogenic diet, what do you suggest as paraworkout nutrition in this case? Should we stick with the protocol from your “Refined Physique” article? Or do you have a better alternative, with your current knowledge, if one wants to stay in ketosis?
Thank you very much! This time you spend with these protocols and advanced nutrition in order to keep us informed is very valuable.[/quote]
Hey man,
Thibs may chime in on this, to rectify, but I simply do this:
45mins pre workout(depending on how far your workout is from last meal): 30g BCAA
During: 30g Casein Hydrolysate
60mins postworkout: 50-60g WPI Hydrolysate or Casein Hydrolysate + 5g leucine
GJ
[quote]Gymjunkie wrote:
Enerexus wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Gymjunkie wrote:
If I understand you post correctly, your saying that unless we are using ANACONDA (which may be available) its not worth while?
Would it give the protocol a bad name, given that the results wont be the same as if followed to the T? - Not arguing or been smart, just want to understand.
Appreciate your advice,
GJ
Well, not using Anaconda is one of the caveats as it is not available as of now, and may not be because of the sheer cost of production. So we might have to find ways of doing the strategy without it and without losing too much.
But doing the protocol without Anaconda. And doing it without Surge Workout Fuel, FINiBARs and Surge Recovery is another story. Worse case scenario I could see not using the bars if you are on a diet. but the other contain elements that ar crucial to the good workings of the protocol.
The part of your plan that was fine was the during the day pulsing with CH. That’s fine. You are doing a good job at that. But the Frankenstein you tried to create para-workout is a mistake.
If you cannot perform at least 2/3rd of the protocol as it is, might as well skip it entirely. Just go with a normal post-workout shake and use the pulse for the rest of the day.
Hi, Coach,
I think many of us have this doubt: if, finally, this protocol is not recommended while on a strict ketogenic diet, what do you suggest as paraworkout nutrition in this case? Should we stick with the protocol from your “Refined Physique” article? Or do you have a better alternative, with your current knowledge, if one wants to stay in ketosis?
Thank you very much! This time you spend with these protocols and advanced nutrition in order to keep us informed is very valuable.
Hey man,
Thibs may chime in on this, to rectify, but I simply do this:
45mins pre workout(depending on how far your workout is from last meal): 30g BCAA
During: 30g Casein Hydrolysate
60mins postworkout: 50-60g WPI Hydrolysate or Casein Hydrolysate + 5g leucine
GJ[/quote]
Thanks, GJ.
This protocol looks a lot like what I’m looking for: not a bad modification from Thib’s current one, but instead an update for his most recent 0-carbs strategy (Refined Physique?).
If I were to follow this protocol on the V-Diet would I simply follow the protocol exactly as stated and reduce the amount consumed, ex, half a FINiBAR during the workout instead of a whole one, and one scoop of Surge vs 2 pre workout. Or is there one particular supplement in the protocol that can be reduced/eliminated while on the V-Diet?
thanks for your time.