We’ve actually posted several videos of “big guys in gyms”-you know, Dorian, Centaponi, Kai-- doing pre-exhaust as we speak of or a guy competing at a high level explaining how it’s done right in this thread. [/quote]
Unless you also posted videos of the concept we are describing here I am not sure what your point is.[/quote]
Would be impossible, or near impossible to find because a fraction of a percent of lifters do your way, and your way has NEVER been discussed in bodybuilding literature or media in the past HALF CENTURY. Google “pre-exhaust” or search T-MAG or search You Tube. You won’t find one reference or example of your way.
We’ve actually posted several videos of “big guys in gyms”-you know, Dorian, Centaponi, Kai-- doing pre-exhaust as we speak of or a guy competing at a high level explaining how it’s done right in this thread. [/quote]
Unless you also posted videos of the concept we are describing here I am not sure what your point is.[/quote]
The point is that this thread has been a good, informative discussion over the past few pages because guys like Roy, Stu, Cueball, Sento, Brick, Lanky, Matty etc. are able to discuss back and forth without throwing around insults or condescending posts… The thread turned informative once a certain poster who’s name rhymes with “Protestor Chex” stopped spouting off. Coincidence? Nope.
Two different types of videos have been posted in this thread. Videos of top level competitors using and endorsing Pre Exhausts in the traditional sense as a valid technique that has merit (something that you have repeatedly denied) and a video of a doctor (extensive background in biology/body mechanics) demonstrating how not to do lunges.
But I already know how this will go. You will:
Ignore what I have actually written.
Question the reading comprehension of anyone who doesn’t agree with you.
Go off on a rant while saying “some of you/many here/etc…” in order to avoid directly addressing anyone specific.
Repeatedly quote the few who agree with you as roof that you are correct.
Possible talk about your guns some more.
Tell people to stop quoting Internet gurus and instead suggest tha they start listening to “swole” NPC competitors who lift at their gym, eat McDonalds and play basketball all day.
Talk about your free Vacation to Colorado.
Call posters “son, kid and guy” in an attempt to patronize them.
Repeat steps 1-8 but not in that order.
I would love to be proven wrong but I don’t see how you can avoid steps 1-8.
We’ve actually posted several videos of “big guys in gyms”-you know, Dorian, Centaponi, Kai-- doing pre-exhaust as we speak of or a guy competing at a high level explaining how it’s done right in this thread. [/quote]
Unless you also posted videos of the concept we are describing here I am not sure what your point is.[/quote]
The point is that this thread has been a good, informative discussion over the past few pages because guys like Roy, Stu, Cueball, Sento, Brick, Lanky, Matty etc. are able to discuss back and forth without throwing around insults or condescending posts… The thread turned informative once a certain poster who’s name rhymes with “Protestor Chex” stopped spouting off. Coincidence? Nope.
Two different types of videos have been posted in this thread. Videos of top level competitors using and endorsing Pre Exhausts in the traditional sense as a valid technique that has merit (something that you have repeatedly denied) and a video of a doctor (extensive background in biology/body mechanics) demonstrating how not to do lunges.
But I already know how this will go. You will:
Ignore what I have actually written.
Question the reading comprehension of anyone who doesn’t agree with you.
Go off on a rant while saying “some of you/many here/etc…” in order to avoid directly addressing anyone specific.
Repeatedly quote the few who agree with you as roof that you are correct.
Possible talk about your guns some more.
Tell people to stop quoting Internet gurus and instead suggest tha they start listening to “swole” NPC competitors who lift at their gym, eat McDonalds and play basketball all day.
Talk about your free Vacation to Colorado.
Call posters “son, kid and guy” in an attempt to patronize them.
Repeat steps 1-8 but not in that order.
I would love to be proven wrong but I don’t see how you can avoid steps 1-8.[/quote]
We’ve actually posted several videos of “big guys in gyms”-you know, Dorian, Centaponi, Kai-- doing pre-exhaust as we speak of or a guy competing at a high level explaining how it’s done right in this thread. [/quote]
Unless you also posted videos of the concept we are describing here I am not sure what your point is.[/quote]
Would be impossible, or near impossible to find because a fraction of a percent of lifters do your way, and your way has NEVER been discussed in bodybuilding literature or media in the past HALF CENTURY. Google “pre-exhaust” or search T-MAG or search You Tube. You won’t find one reference or example of your way. [/quote]
Dave Tate was listed as describing this way…so how is it impossible? Just because the guys you listed haven’t done it on film, it isn’t viable?
Also. if the rest of you are still just here to argue with me, it is starting to look a little lame considering the many people who do seem to understand what was written.
I would assume most pro bodybuilders do not have much problem with not feeling certain muscle groups when lifting. That is why they are elite.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also. if the rest of you are still just here to argue with me, it is starting to look a little lame considering the many people who do seem to understand what was written.
I wold assume most pro bodybuilders do not have much problem with not feeling certain muscle groups when lifting. That is why they are elite.[/quote]
Numbers 1, 2, 3 and kind of 4 (didn’t quote but referenced. Close enough)
We’ve actually posted several videos of “big guys in gyms”-you know, Dorian, Centaponi, Kai-- doing pre-exhaust as we speak of or a guy competing at a high level explaining how it’s done right in this thread. [/quote]
Unless you also posted videos of the concept we are describing here I am not sure what your point is.[/quote]
Would be impossible, or near impossible to find because a fraction of a percent of lifters do your way, and your way has NEVER been discussed in bodybuilding literature or media in the past HALF CENTURY. Google “pre-exhaust” or search T-MAG or search You Tube. You won’t find one reference or example of your way. [/quote]
Dave Tate was listed as describing this way…so how is it impossible? Just because the guys you listed haven’t done it on film, it isn’t viable?
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Dave Tate never adviced people do tricep extensions before benchpress. He said fatigue everything else first then go after whats weak. What fails first in bench? Tris or chest? Tris, so they are the weak, but when u are training chest theres no reason to train tris after bench.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also. if the rest of you are still just here to argue with me, it is starting to look a little lame considering the many people who do seem to understand what was written.
I wold assume most pro bodybuilders do not have much problem with not feeling certain muscle groups when lifting. That is why they are elite.[/quote]
Pre exhaust has been used not just for targeting a muscle one can’t “feel”, hence why Dorian used it for the last decade or so of his career.
Meadows uses it too and he’s as advanced as he’s gonna get.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also. if the rest of you are still just here to argue with me, it is starting to look a little lame considering the many people who do seem to understand what was written.
I wold assume most pro bodybuilders do not have much problem with not feeling certain muscle groups when lifting. That is why they are elite.[/quote]
Pre exhaust has been used not just for targeting a muscle one can’t “feel”, hence why Dorian used it for the last decade or so of his career.
Meadows uses it too and he’s as advanced as he’s gonna get. [/quote]
Uh, we already know this. What I described is NOT “pre-exhaust”…and honestly, if you are here after 23 pages still not understanding that, what are you really here for?
I would imagine most pro’s don’t have problems with not getting growth in their chest because their delts take it over…THAT IS WHY THEY ARE PRO’S.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I would imagine most pro’s don’t have problems with not getting growth in their chest because their delts take it over…THAT IS WHY THEY ARE PRO’S.[/quote]
Mentzer? Waller? (going old school with these examples)… just a couple of top Olympia competitors who were pretty damn developed, definitely at the top of their games, yet couldn’t get growth in their chests without their delts taking over and had to rely on pre-exhaust and tons of flye movements.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I would imagine most pro’s don’t have problems with not getting growth in their chest because their delts take it over…THAT IS WHY THEY ARE PRO’S.[/quote]
Mentzer? Waller? (going old school with these examples)… just a couple of top Olympia competitors who were pretty damn developed, definitely at the top of their games, yet couldn’t get growth in their chests without their delts taking over and had to rely on pre-exhaust and tons of flye movements.
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Does “most” mean the same to me as to you?
Mentzer also believed in HIT like it was his religion…and I don’t agree with much of his thought process…and neither do many other people.
I am not sure what you were implying. Maybe you could be more clear?
I would guess most here don’t have Mentzer’s genetics.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also. if the rest of you are still just here to argue with me, it is starting to look a little lame considering the many people who do seem to understand what was written.
I wold assume most pro bodybuilders do not have much problem with not feeling certain muscle groups when lifting. That is why they are elite.[/quote]
Pre exhaust has been used not just for targeting a muscle one can’t “feel”, hence why Dorian used it for the last decade or so of his career.
Meadows uses it too and he’s as advanced as he’s gonna get. [/quote]
Uh, we already know this. What I described is NOT “pre-exhaust”…and honestly, if you are here after 23 pages still not understanding that, what are you really here for?
I would imagine most pro’s don’t have problems with not getting growth in their chest because their delts take it over…THAT IS WHY THEY ARE PRO’S.[/quote]
This is a thread about pre-exhaust or pre-fatigue (two terms for the same thing: peforming an isolation movement before a compound movement).
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also. if the rest of you are still just here to argue with me, it is starting to look a little lame considering the many people who do seem to understand what was written.
I wold assume most pro bodybuilders do not have much problem with not feeling certain muscle groups when lifting. That is why they are elite.[/quote]
Pre exhaust has been used not just for targeting a muscle one can’t “feel”, hence why Dorian used it for the last decade or so of his career.
Meadows uses it too and he’s as advanced as he’s gonna get. [/quote]
Uh, we already know this. What I described is NOT “pre-exhaust”…and honestly, if you are here after 23 pages still not understanding that, what are you really here for?
I would imagine most pro’s don’t have problems with not getting growth in their chest because their delts take it over…THAT IS WHY THEY ARE PRO’S.[/quote]
This is a thread about pre-exhaust or pre-fatigue (two terms for the same thing: peforming an isolation movement before a compound movement). [/quote]
This thread also became about what me and matty were discussing…which is NOT “pre-exhaust”.
Do you have a question about what was discussed…or did you really log in without reading the many responses indicating that you are here after missing quite a bit?
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
X when was that avatar pic taken? how much do you weigh in it?
looking big good job
what are you short/mid term goals if any - lean down/ get legs bigger/ whatever
thanks[/quote]
I took that avatar pic yesterday. I am about 255 right now…but since I’ve been in clinic all day with no food until now, I am probably back to 250.
Right now, I am trying to put on more size but keep any fat gain to a minimal. I am eating more but also do more “cardio” (more walking lately) and I am still doing more of a circuit in the gym instead of 3-4 straight sets on one exercise without moving until done.
Thanks, man. I like being leaner now, but it took a while to reach this point.
That trip to CO did help in that it changed how I train as far as my basic set up.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also. if the rest of you are still just here to argue with me, it is starting to look a little lame considering the many people who do seem to understand what was written.
I wold assume most pro bodybuilders do not have much problem with not feeling certain muscle groups when lifting. That is why they are elite.[/quote]
Pre exhaust has been used not just for targeting a muscle one can’t “feel”, hence why Dorian used it for the last decade or so of his career.
Meadows uses it too and he’s as advanced as he’s gonna get. [/quote]
Uh, we already know this. What I described is NOT “pre-exhaust”…and honestly, if you are here after 23 pages still not understanding that, what are you really here for?
I would imagine most pro’s don’t have problems with not getting growth in their chest because their delts take it over…THAT IS WHY THEY ARE PRO’S.[/quote]
This is a thread about pre-exhaust or pre-fatigue (two terms for the same thing: peforming an isolation movement before a compound movement). [/quote]
This thread also became about what me and matty were discussing…which is NOT “pre-exhaust”.
Do you have a question about what was discussed…or did you really log in without reading the many responses indicating that you are here after missing quite a bit?[/quote]
This thread also became about how PX disagreed woth Mentzers thought process and HIT in order to ignore the fact the he (and other high level pro’s) found pre-exhaust to be beneficial. And because “most” pros don’t have problems gr*owing their chest without pre-exhaust it is therefore useless.
This thread also became about how PX disagreed woth Mentzers thought process and HIT in order to ignore the fact the he (and other high level pro’s) found pre-exhaust to be beneficial. And because “most” pros don’t have problems gr[/quote]
?? No one is arguing how beneficial pre-exhaust is.
So once again, for those of you here just to argue with me…WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE?
As if Mentzer’s “thought process” has to do with anything discussed here. Many don’t like Dorian’s thought process either. But both were top Olympia competitors and Mentzer, if I recall correctly, was Mr. Universe. So much for people not liking how they thought or think.
This thread also became about how PX disagreed woth Mentzers thought process and HIT in order to ignore the fact the he (and other high level pro’s) found pre-exhaust to be beneficial. And because “most” pros don’t have problems gr[/quote]
?? No one is arguing how beneficial pre-exhaust is.
So once again, for those of you here just to argue with me…WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE?[/quote]
Because all your comments in this thread so far have been misguiding nonsense
X probably either misunderstood or overestimated the validity of that personally experienced “brachialis pre-exhaust principle”.
Contrary to classic pre-exhaustion, fatiguing stronger chain-links to force weaker ones to take over seems like a rather weak principle, meaning, it might work for a small group of people under very specific circumstances (every crazy idea might work in some cases); also, it’s hard to say wether he really applied his own idea:
Maybe all he did was actually pre-exhaust in a classical sense - and THAT new stimulus caused his arm to swell. That would have been rather ironic.
(btw, X, it would be cool if you could disprove that)
That said, posting video footage of him having trouble doing lunges = Estrogen Nation style.
I hope more people see that as such.
