Question About Pre-Fatiguing

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheDon12 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheDon12 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL. It doesn’t matter that I want this thread back on track and it doesn’t matter if I didn’t post for days.

These guys will do this no matter what.

What is lame s acting like anyone is making them do it but themselves.

To the people without their heads up their ass who actually tried to understand what was written…enjoy getting way bigger than most of the whiners over time.[/quote]

I wouldnt mind looking like Zraw .
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Good for you. I didn’t insult him or mention him. I also wrote MOST.

I don’t follow the actions of others simply because they exist.

Matty is bigger than most here. [/quote]

Only 2 or 3 guys agreed with you ,while the majority on the forum disagreed. Pretty sure there were more bigger guys who disagreed .[/quote]

The majority of the forum didn’t even understand the concept or even try to at first.

Sentoguy is not wrong in this thread. he also gives way more useful advice on this forum than most of the people who “disagreed with me”.
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Thats cool . Ill take my chances of listening to Stu,Zraw,Austin_Bicep,Hungry4more,Brickhead,and couple of others to get swole.

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[quote]TheDon12 wrote:

Thats cool . Ill take my chances of listening to Stu,Zraw,Austin_Bicep,Hungry4more,Brickhead,and couple of others to get swole.[/quote]

Uh, good for you?

Good luck ignoring other people because they don’t agree with your specific idol group you mentioned.

I also don’t see Stu disagreeing with the concept at all. I see other people with much butthurt using this thread to announce it to everyone else.

My advice is, listen to the people who actually made a lot of progress. That doesn’t come easy to anyone.

You can have popularity contests at your house all day long though.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheDon12 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheDon12 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL. It doesn’t matter that I want this thread back on track and it doesn’t matter if I didn’t post for days.

These guys will do this no matter what.

What is lame s acting like anyone is making them do it but themselves.

To the people without their heads up their ass who actually tried to understand what was written…enjoy getting way bigger than most of the whiners over time.[/quote]

I wouldnt mind looking like Zraw .
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Good for you. I didn’t insult him or mention him. I also wrote MOST.

I don’t follow the actions of others simply because they exist.

Matty is bigger than most here. [/quote]

Only 2 or 3 guys agreed with you ,while the majority on the forum disagreed. Pretty sure there were more bigger guys who disagreed .[/quote]

The majority of the forum didn’t even understand the concept or even try to at first.

Sentoguy is not wrong in this thread. he also gives way more useful advice on this forum than most of the people who “disagreed with me”.
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So what are they exactly agreeing with?
Last time i checked doing tricep extensions and closegrip benchpress was a good tricep workout. Are you still saying tricep extensions but regular benchpress make a good chest workout?

Have you tried it yet?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheDon12 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheDon12 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL. It doesn’t matter that I want this thread back on track and it doesn’t matter if I didn’t post for days.

These guys will do this no matter what.

What is lame s acting like anyone is making them do it but themselves.

To the people without their heads up their ass who actually tried to understand what was written…enjoy getting way bigger than most of the whiners over time.[/quote]

I wouldnt mind looking like Zraw .
[/quote]

Good for you. I didn’t insult him or mention him. I also wrote MOST.

I don’t follow the actions of others simply because they exist.

Matty is bigger than most here. [/quote]

Only 2 or 3 guys agreed with you ,while the majority on the forum disagreed. Pretty sure there were more bigger guys who disagreed .[/quote]

The majority of the forum didn’t even understand the concept or even try to at first.

Sentoguy is not wrong in this thread. he also gives way more useful advice on this forum than most of the people who “disagreed with me”.
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If you don’t agree with me you must not be smart enough to understand the concept. Classic.

The “majority” understood. They just didn’t agree. But hey, everybody is entitled to an opinion, right? I mean, that’s what this thread was for, discussing differing views without dismissing them as nonsense right off the bat, right? Oh, wait…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Good luck ignoring other people because they don’t agree with your specific idol group you mentioned.
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X’s concept of pre-fatiguing does not make any damn sense
for example doing lateral raise before benching to feel your chest more will never work…you will fail your lift before your chest gets enough stimulation even if you are shoulder dominant.
I have never heard of any bodybuilder doing that but countless have done actual pre-fatiguing

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Good luck ignoring other people because they don’t agree with your specific idol group you mentioned.
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Exactly. PX ignores everyone who disagrees with him. Either that or he tries to bully them into submission. He should try taking his own advice.

His previous comments about merely wanting a debate are laughable. He is the antithesis of anything that fosters thoughtful, rational debate on this site.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

[quote]NikH wrote:

Yes prefatiguing radialis for muscle gains is quite nonsense. It is like pre fatiguing calves before leg press for quad development.
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That’s not really a great analogy though as the brachioradialis, brachialis, and biceps brachii all cross the elbow joint and all perform the function of flexing the elbow. The calves and quads share no common joint actions, and calves are not heavily involved in leg pressing.

And, although he doesn’t specifically title it pre fatiguing, John Meadows has written that he prefers to have people work their brachialis and brachioradialis before moving on to biceps work, so it obviously isn’t “nonsense” to consider doing so.

I personally don’t understand why both techniques can’t be beneficial. Lots of people have made use of the classical style (isolation for target muscle followed by compound involving that muscle), and yet others have gotten good results with the other form of pre fatigue (isolation for dominant supporting muscles followed by compound for target muscle). [/quote]

This was a good post.

I see the posse has avoided responding to it though.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

[quote]NikH wrote:

Yes prefatiguing radialis for muscle gains is quite nonsense. It is like pre fatiguing calves before leg press for quad development.
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That’s not really a great analogy though as the brachioradialis, brachialis, and biceps brachii all cross the elbow joint and all perform the function of flexing the elbow. The calves and quads share no common joint actions, and calves are not heavily involved in leg pressing.

And, although he doesn’t specifically title it pre fatiguing, John Meadows has written that he prefers to have people work their brachialis and brachioradialis before moving on to biceps work, so it obviously isn’t “nonsense” to consider doing so.

I personally don’t understand why both techniques can’t be beneficial. Lots of people have made use of the classical style (isolation for target muscle followed by compound involving that muscle), and yet others have gotten good results with the other form of pre fatigue (isolation for dominant supporting muscles followed by compound for target muscle). [/quote]

This was a good post.

I see the posse has avoided responding to it though.[/quote]

It was a good post. Much better than a lot of the crap you posted. You know, the part about how one of the methods was nonsense. Remember that?

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I am laughing at this. It seems some people in this thread are content to stay fat forever. Funny how those who never got lean are always out to justify it.

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I will start by saying im sorry about my last few comments as they were maybe childish although the point remains

What you seem to be not getting or completely ignoring PX is the fact that the first concept that you laughed at and dismissed is just as usefull and viable as the one you are describinh, if not more

You not being able to aknowledge this and agreeing on your “mistake” (I just think you dont know that much about training but who am I) is the real problem to most people here, I think

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[quote]zraw wrote:

What you seem to be not getting or completely ignoring PX is the fact that the first concept that you laughed at and dismissed is just as usefull and viable as the one you are describinh, if not more

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He’s also not getting that the term was never “reversed” considering that it’s been used the way we describe since the 1960s and EVERYWHERE pre-exhaust is discussed in magazines, websites, books, and manuals and training programs! One can do a search in Google–“pre-exhaust” and won’t even be able to find one source describing it the other way around.

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[quote]zraw wrote:
I will start by saying im sorry about my last few comments as they were maybe childish although the point remains

What you seem to be not getting or completely ignoring PX is the fact that the first concept that you laughed at and dismissed is just as usefull and viable as the one you are describinh, if not more

You not being able to aknowledge this and agreeing on your “mistake” (I just think you dont know that much about training but who am I) is the real problem to most people here, I think
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Rich Gaspari on pre-exhausting

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Marc Lobliner on pre-exhausting

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-ex

[quote]Sample pre-ex cycles
side delt raise/dumbbell press
pec-dec/quad extension/quad press or squat
leg curl/stiff-leg deadlift
hyperextension/standard deadlift
shrug/upright row
dumbbell curl/undergrip chin
pulley pullover (stiff-arm pulldown)/undergrip pulldown
glute kicks/lunges
dumbbell curls/hammer curls
wrist extensions/reverse curls
front crunches/hanging leg lifts
cable one-arm pullovers/cable one-arm rows[/quote]

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Dorian Yates

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LOLOLOLOLOL.

Professor X:

Hurr durr all the swole guys agree with me
No one over 30 has heard of the version of pre-exhaust I don’t understand
I work out with pro bodybuilders and they agree with me

Everyone Else:

Kai Greene pre-exhausts the way we understand it
So did Yates
So do innumerable other pros, with Youtube videos to prove it

X:

silence