Question About Pre-Fatiguing

[quote]Professor X wrote:

But…the whole goal of pre-exhausting them is so they fail first.

You are mad because it did what it was supposed to do?

That is WHY you pre-exhaust a muscle group…so it fails first and doesn’t interfere with the TARGET muscle group.

That is why pre-exhausting chest on CHEST DAY makes little sense.[/quote]

Let’s ignore the fact that you are apparently the only bodybuilder in the world who doesn’t know what pre-fatiguing is or that myriad Olympia-level bodybuilders use that technique.

Above is your response when it was explained to you. Again, you’ve failed to understand simple biomechanics. If you’re triceps fail, the lift is over. Your Pecs don’t magically assume 100% of the load the triceps normally take. Muscles work in synergy, though people seem to think that somehow each muscle group in a compound lift assumes a different portion of the lift.

If you weaken the weak link, you do nothing but cause failure sooner. Dropping weight at that point does not make your the other muscle work harder, it just makes the weak link work less than it would at a heavier weight because it’s limiting…that’s what limiting means.

This has been explained to you ad infinitum, but you are too busy explaining how none of these mythical bodybuilders you know pre-fatigue to actually acknowledge anything.

I think now is the right time to take a step back and reflect on this vid again (@4:00):

you all realize that we are being wound up by an internet “shock jock” dont you?

its a game, and as long as you know that, its all cool

[quote]browndisaster wrote:
Who are we calling feminine? I wouldn’t flinch even if you made a lunge towards me…[/quote]

HA! everyone is so tough online…love it

[quote]ironmanzvw wrote:

[quote]browndisaster wrote:
Who are we calling feminine? I wouldn’t flinch even if you made a lunge towards me…[/quote]

HA! everyone is so tough online…love it[/quote]

Have you seen Professor X lunge?

[quote]ironmanzvw wrote:

[quote]browndisaster wrote:
Who are we calling feminine? I wouldn’t flinch even if you made a lunge towards me…[/quote]

HA! everyone is so tough online…love it[/quote]

You know.

They would all be so mouthy in real life. Funny how I have lived my whole life and not run across guys like this outside of the internet.

Also, Lo double L at worrying about lunges. Half my knee has been fucked in an accident. That is why I don’t do standing squats now also.

My legs are still bigger than most here who would talk shit about not squatting.

LOL at focusing on an EXERCISE on a bodybuilding forum and not what the exercise built.

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

Let’s ignore the fact that you are apparently the only bodybuilder in the world who doesn’t know what pre-fatiguing is or that myriad Olympia-level bodybuilders use that technique.
[/quote]

??

I would bet most of the huge guys in most gyms don’t read up on this shit…especially if they are over the age of 30.

Your comment here makes little sense.

My goal is to build muscle…not learn all of the latest jargon or give a shit about it.

[quote]

Above is your response when it was explained to you. Again, you’ve failed to understand simple biomechanics. If you’re triceps fail, the lift is over. [/quote]

Wow…and we also discussed how the goal is NOT failure and not all out training the triceps with heavy weight. The goal is fatigue.

[quote]

Your Pecs don’t magically assume 100% of the load the triceps normally take. [/quote]

Wow…no one said they did. What was said is they now have to pick up the slack.

Others understood this…including the OP.

Why don’t you?

The NEW T-Nation.

From Left to right…Gregron, Infinite Shore, …

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]detazathoth wrote:
I mean, isn’t that the whole premise behind a lot of Mountain Dog training style?
[/quote]

What is the premise behind MD Training? Pre fatiguing your shoulders and tris before benching?[/quote]

Prefatiguing Chest before you hit compound Chest movements

I bet Ronny Rockel pre exhausted his back before hitting heavy rows…

And PX pre exhausted biceps obvi… so his back had to compensate and thus got more development

Thats why PX back is bigger.

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[quote]HateTank wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:
This thread is almost as sad as some OHP video I saw once[/quote]

Sadder than walking lunges?[/quote]

TROLLOLOLOL

I literally just spat out my brotein shake

[quote]Professor X wrote:
The NEW T-Nation.

From Left to right…Gregron, Infinite Shore, …[/quote]

That is obviously not the case.

From left to right:
BrownDisaster
Infinite Shore (because all the other positions are filled)
Professor X (if you lost a little more bodyfat)
The Mighty Stu (because he is so wise, helpful and likable)
Gregron (the good looking in shape young looking one)

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ironmanzvw wrote:

[quote]browndisaster wrote:
Who are we calling feminine? I wouldn’t flinch even if you made a lunge towards me…[/quote]

HA! everyone is so tough online…love it[/quote]

You know.

They would all be so mouthy in real life. Funny how I have lived my whole life and not run across guys like this outside of the internet.[/quote]

Come to New England/Boston any time, we live on the fact that we give each other shit, regardless of how fat one is.

That must be a Texas thing I guess?

Professor X,
Do you realize that you wouldnt be like this in real life either? If a guy was starting you in the face you’d say ‘oh okay my bad haha’ or whatever. But instead you have to keep your ‘internetface’ on.

Nobody is gonna think less of you if you dont know some specific bodybuilding technique, but everyone will start looking down on you if you dont admit you were wrong about something when it’s clear.

Same way I have watched your tnation videos and thought to myself he doesnt use huge weights, his technique looks odd (like the lunge on), but I thought they have an explanation like the one ‘you hurt your elbow, knee’ etc. But when you talk like in this manner I start to think you are just a roidrager with bad technique and zero knowledge. You sound like lance armstrong without the victories.

[quote]detazathoth wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ironmanzvw wrote:

[quote]browndisaster wrote:
Who are we calling feminine? I wouldn’t flinch even if you made a lunge towards me…[/quote]

HA! everyone is so tough online…love it[/quote]

You know.

They would all be so mouthy in real life. Funny how I have lived my whole life and not run across guys like this outside of the internet.[/quote]

Come to New England/Boston any time, we live on the fact that we give each other shit, regardless of how fat one is.

That must be a Texas I guess?[/quote]

?? Dude we talk shit down here also. Much of it. I am talking about the way these guys act. Talking shit and complaining about how someone posts because they “read” into it due to a local popularity contest is a little girly, no?

[quote]gregron wrote:

From left to right:
BrownDisaster
Infinite Shore (because all the other positions are filled)
Professor X (if you lost a little more bodyfat)
The Mighty Stu (because he is so wise, helpful and likable)
Gregron (the good looking in shape young looking one)[/quote]

Nice make-up. You girls have made this place so bright and cheery. I swear I want that apple crumb cake recipe when you have time.

[quote]detazathoth wrote:

Come to New England/Boston any time, we live on the fact that we give each other shit, regardless of how fat one is.

That must be a Texas thing I guess?[/quote]

We have guns down here also. People talk less shit…when there are consequences…which is what I meant. This is the internet. This is like flipping someone the bird while driving away at 60mph.

People talk less shit when there are real consequences. Most of society has wiped out these social consequences…and that is why most of the “internet land boyz” now act like this.

They won’t have to fight for real one day in their life…so they pop off at the mouth way more.

It isn’t making guys look stronger. This passive aggressiveness is a weakness.

[quote]zraw wrote:
I bet Ronny Rockel pre exhausted his back before hitting heavy rows…

And PX pre exhausted biceps obvi… so his back had to compensate and thus got more development

Thats why PX back is bigger.
[/quote]

LOL.

Yeah…we already showed that you guys made that up. But hey…maybe if you keep lying, more people will believe I said that.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]detazathoth wrote:

Come to New England/Boston any time, we live on the fact that we give each other shit, regardless of how fat one is.

That must be a Texas thing I guess?[/quote]

We have guns down here also. People talk less shit…when there are consequences…which is what I meant. This is the internet. This is like flipping someone the bird while driving away at 60mph.

People talk less shit when there are real consequences. Most of society has wiped out these social consequences…and that is why most of the “internet land boyz” now act like this.

They won’t have to fight for real one day in their life…so they pop off at the mouth way more.

It isn’t making guys look stronger. This passive aggressiveness is a weakness.[/quote]

You’re implying you’d shoot me with your gun if you couldn’t take me out a fist?

Good to know.