where we repeat the same things only with more anger
and the beat goes on
I mentioned this before…as it’s something I found that made a difference. Using a foam roller,myo-fascial release therapy,massage really helps with dealing with kicks that I OCCASIONALLY absorb…
My experience with being kicked in the leg and conditioning them is that yes they do get tougher and it takes time but even at the highest level you can take the pain or not even feel it but there is a point where the leg shuts down and you can’t stand on it. The first time I experienced it my mind was blown. I was trading blows with a guy in the gym and I knew for sure I was gonna kick his ass but eventually he kicked my right in the sciatic. My leg just buckled, no pain no nothing I just could not stand up. I fell to the ground and my own ass wooping began. I was pretty heavily conditioned at the time as well. I don’t think huge quads would change that phenomenon whatsoever and I don’t know how much you can condition a nerve like that. I would assume some threshold was hit and my brain shut the leg down. I learned the smart thing is to not be there for those shots but that is complete different thread.
A couple well placed powerful leg kicks, from a very powerful kicker, is enough to disable your legs, pretty much no matter who you are. When you decide to take kicks they probably shouldn’t be full blasts but rather glancing blows or getting hit at an awkward angle where some of the power of the blow may be lost, say, making sure your opponent hips are never directly facing you so they have a hard time hitting you directly or messing up their range when you take the kick while returning a blast or positioning yourself to do so. (obviously you can’t always get the luxury of planning where to take kicks, or deciding when to take them)
In that situation quads would help you weather the blows. In the same way you don’t want to be taking blasts by another boxer just because you are “built up” in the neck, you still want to avoid the falling step, keep the chin tucked, weave, bob, try and make sure if you do get hit it’s to the crown or a glancing blow. I never meant to imply that the leg training alone would allow you to withstand blows like superman but it will help, probably even a lot.
above post was great.
you better believe i use it
I would say adopting to pain tolerance is a big factor once you are used to the impact it will be less of a shock. However there is something to be said about training legs more and in particular targetting the quadriceps, if you look at GSP pre and post his fight with Thiago Alves there is a big difference in leg size and vascularity.
[quote]chris_miah wrote:
"…if you look at GSP pre and post his fight with Thiago Alves there is a big difference in leg size and vascularity. [/quote]
Say what?
Hi Antonio (disclaimer: I read Robert A & Big Boss, but barely skimmed all the bitching).
Just my 2 cents: My experience has been that you can condition your quads to better defend against kicks. Unfortunately, you can expect the conditioning to only “lessen the suck”, and not become a pain-free experience.
I agree with the person who recommended you do this in small increments to protect yourself from injury. My friend Christian spent 5 days in the hospital due to his thigh being “turned into hamburger”, according to his doctor. We were at an event, learning taking the blow on the quad & his partner was going all out & C foolishly didn’t tell him to back off a bit. C was new & unsure, so he went for it & we practiced for a long time. The next day his entire thigh was black & wouldn’t stop swelling up. Rhabdomyolysis, I believe hospital called it.
I’m not trying to be inflammatory (ha, get it?) or scary. C’s case was extreme. He’s been advised to never again use that quad to defend.
My advice is to wait til the soreness goes away & do a bit more. Then wait til that soreness goes away & do a bit more.
I agree that learning to take blows is as much psychological as physical.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]chris_miah wrote:
"…if you look at GSP pre and post his fight with Thiago Alves there is a big difference in leg size and vascularity. [/quote]
Say what?[/quote]
Thiago Alves was predominantly a thai fighter with devstating low kicks. If you look at GSPs physical make up for the fight his legs look much bigger than before. Possibly to counteract thaigo’s kicks to a degree, enough to eat a few leg kicks to hit a takedown.
[quote]Miss Parker wrote:
I’m not trying to be inflammatory (ha, get it?) or scary. [/quote]
I liked it.
'Course I like puns like fat women like Oprah. Simile’s are nifty as well.
Regards,
Robert A
[quote]chris_miah wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]chris_miah wrote:
"…if you look at GSP pre and post his fight with Thiago Alves there is a big difference in leg size and vascularity. [/quote]
Say what?[/quote]
Thiago Alves was predominantly a thai fighter with devstating low kicks. If you look at GSPs physical make up for the fight his legs look much bigger than before. Possibly to counteract thaigo’s kicks to a degree, enough to eat a few leg kicks to hit a takedown. [/quote]
Not really buying that one.
Also we should note GSP came into the UFC with a Kyokushin background and that he injured one of his legs in his fight with Alves. So, if that was his plan, it didn’t work all that well.
Regards,
Robert A
[quote]Robert A wrote:
[quote]chris_miah wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]chris_miah wrote:
"…if you look at GSP pre and post his fight with Thiago Alves there is a big difference in leg size and vascularity. [/quote]
Say what?[/quote]
Thiago Alves was predominantly a thai fighter with devstating low kicks. If you look at GSPs physical make up for the fight his legs look much bigger than before. Possibly to counteract thaigo’s kicks to a degree, enough to eat a few leg kicks to hit a takedown. [/quote]
Not really buying that one.
Also we should note GSP came into the UFC with a Kyokushin background and that he injured one of his legs in his fight with Alves. So, if that was his plan, it didn’t work all that well.
Regards,
Robert A[/quote]
He was able to withstand the punishment during the fight and won it comfortably so id say the plan worked.
any one with a join date of 2012 is a troll late 2011 aswell
[quote]chris_miah wrote:
[quote]Robert A wrote:
[quote]chris_miah wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]chris_miah wrote:
"…if you look at GSP pre and post his fight with Thiago Alves there is a big difference in leg size and vascularity. [/quote]
Say what?[/quote]
Thiago Alves was predominantly a thai fighter with devstating low kicks. If you look at GSPs physical make up for the fight his legs look much bigger than before. Possibly to counteract thaigo’s kicks to a degree, enough to eat a few leg kicks to hit a takedown. [/quote]
Not really buying that one.
Also we should note GSP came into the UFC with a Kyokushin background and that he injured one of his legs in his fight with Alves. So, if that was his plan, it didn’t work all that well.
Regards,
Robert A[/quote]
He was able to withstand the punishment during the fight and won it comfortably so id say the plan worked.[/quote]
Had next to nothing to do with GSP’s “quad conditioning.” He didn’t even take much damage from Alves’ kicks…because Alves spent most of the fight getting wrestle-fucked. Alves hardly had any room to catch him flush with hard,shin digging kicks(and he was knocked down from caught kick).
Another thing: I believe that was period when GSP was bulking up to cut from higher weight…could explain difference in his legs…etc. Or could been difference in weight cut or something of that effect.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]chris_miah wrote:
[quote]Robert A wrote:
[quote]chris_miah wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]chris_miah wrote:
"…if you look at GSP pre and post his fight with Thiago Alves there is a big difference in leg size and vascularity. [/quote]
Say what?[/quote]
Thiago Alves was predominantly a thai fighter with devstating low kicks. If you look at GSPs physical make up for the fight his legs look much bigger than before. Possibly to counteract thaigo’s kicks to a degree, enough to eat a few leg kicks to hit a takedown. [/quote]
Not really buying that one.
Also we should note GSP came into the UFC with a Kyokushin background and that he injured one of his legs in his fight with Alves. So, if that was his plan, it didn’t work all that well.
Regards,
Robert A[/quote]
He was able to withstand the punishment during the fight and won it comfortably so id say the plan worked.[/quote]
Had next to nothing to do with GSP’s “quad conditioning.” He didn’t even take much damage from Alves’ kicks…because Alves spent most of the fight getting wrestle-fucked. Alves hardly had any room to catch him flush with hard,shin digging kicks(and he was knocked down from caught kick).
Another thing: I believe that was period when GSP was bulking up to cut from higher weight…could explain difference in his legs…etc. Or could been difference in weight cut or something of that effect. [/quote]
Yes im just causing some debate to the subject, im not a troll infact im more than able to have an opinion as I do have a background in the sport and like to here peoples views :). Hey take a look on youtube my name will come up 
[quote]chris_miah wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]chris_miah wrote:
[quote]Robert A wrote:
[quote]chris_miah wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]chris_miah wrote:
"…if you look at GSP pre and post his fight with Thiago Alves there is a big difference in leg size and vascularity. [/quote]
Say what?[/quote]
Thiago Alves was predominantly a thai fighter with devstating low kicks. If you look at GSPs physical make up for the fight his legs look much bigger than before. Possibly to counteract thaigo’s kicks to a degree, enough to eat a few leg kicks to hit a takedown. [/quote]
Not really buying that one.
Also we should note GSP came into the UFC with a Kyokushin background and that he injured one of his legs in his fight with Alves. So, if that was his plan, it didn’t work all that well.
Regards,
Robert A[/quote]
He was able to withstand the punishment during the fight and won it comfortably so id say the plan worked.[/quote]
Had next to nothing to do with GSP’s “quad conditioning.” He didn’t even take much damage from Alves’ kicks…because Alves spent most of the fight getting wrestle-fucked. Alves hardly had any room to catch him flush with hard,shin digging kicks(and he was knocked down from caught kick).
Another thing: I believe that was period when GSP was bulking up to cut from higher weight…could explain difference in his legs…etc. Or could been difference in weight cut or something of that effect. [/quote]
Yes im just causing some debate to the subject, im not a troll infact im more than able to have an opinion as I do have a background in the sport and like to here peoples views :). Hey take a look on youtube my name will come up [/quote]
I think you’re replying to wrong person…never called you a troll.
[quote]chris_miah wrote:
Yes im just causing some debate to the subject, im not a troll infact im more than able to have an opinion as I do have a background in the sport and like to here peoples views :). Hey take a look on youtube my name will come up [/quote]
You are certainly entitled to your own opinions. However, if you are in any way playing “devil’s advocate” you may want to mention as much since the difference between arguing to argue and “causing some debate” might get blurred if anyone takes a post wrong.
As for GSP; I still am not buying him building up his quads in order to take kicks. If there was a huge difference in his size for the Alves fight I think it had much more to do with his grappling game. While there are plenty here who will say muscular size is far from the most important factor in hitting hard or “taking” kicks to the leg I think most will admit being bigger and stronger helps in clinching and shooting successful takedowns (mass and strength are especially valuable in making “wrong” technique/“bad” attempts turn into “only worked because of____” attempts).
GSP’s game plan was to make it a grappling match, as BigBoss already mentioned (also “wrestle fucked” is a brilliant term. “Dude, every time we train your cup keeps digging into me.” “What cup?”).
Regards,
Robert A