Quad Conditioning?

Training
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“You’re full of shit and don’t know what you’re talking about. I’m not going to sit here and listen to some asshole that’s never trained or sparred telling people that you can’t condition the legs, acting like leg kicks do nothing and giving generally bad advice. Seriously, stfu.”

First of all you will sit there and listen to some asshole because you’re pathetic little keyboard warrior and that’s all you’re ever going to do about it.

Secondly I have trained and sparred harder on a daily basis than you ever have in your life. Secondly I never claimed that you can’t condition the legs, that kicks to the legs don’t condition them, you’re an idiot.

I sarcastically made some re-mark that leg kicks would do nothing for the quads but that a med ball to the guts would do a lot for boxers. My point being that leg kicks probably do condition the legs to take blows, in the same way a medicine ball to the abs conditions a boxer.

other than that I pointed out that building up the legs, conditioning them in other ways, will also help you weather blows to the legs. In the same way that other training for boxer’s abs help them.

I am sick of loud-mouth morons like you that can’t even come to an accurate assessment of what someone else is saying. stfu already. Most the advice I give is solid, just most lazy people don’t want to hear it because it requires hard work and physical conditioning. Make a rational argument against any of the advice I’ve given or stfu you worthless slob.

moron.

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[quote]IronClaws wrote:
“You’re full of shit and don’t know what you’re talking about. I’m not going to sit here and listen to some asshole that’s never trained or sparred telling people that you can’t condition the legs, acting like leg kicks do nothing and giving generally bad advice. Seriously, stfu.”

First of all you will sit there and listen to some asshole because you’re pathetic little keyboard warrior and that’s all you’re ever going to do about it.

Secondly I have trained and sparred harder on a daily basis than you ever have in your life. Secondly I never claimed that you can’t condition the legs, that kicks to the legs don’t condition them, you’re an idiot.

I sarcastically made some re-mark that leg kicks would do nothing for the quads but that a med ball to the guts would do a lot for boxers. My point being that leg kicks probably do condition the legs to take blows, in the same way a medicine ball to the abs conditions a boxer.

other than that I pointed out that building up the legs, conditioning them in other ways, will also help you weather blows to the legs. In the same way that other training for boxer’s abs help them.

I am sick of loud-mouth morons like you that can’t even come to an accurate assessment of what someone else is saying. stfu already. Most the advice I give is solid, just most lazy people don’t want to hear it because it requires hard work and physical conditioning. Make a rational argument against any of the advice I’ve given or stfu you worthless slob.

moron.

[/quote]You don’t know what you’re talking about. Your advice is shit and wrong. I’m definitely not a loud mouth. You wouldn’t be talking shit to me in person. You don’t train at a gym with other fighters. You’ve said this before. Who do you spar with? Some other guy that can’t fight? Your technique is crap. I don’t care how hard you supposedly “train”.

I train everyday (except weekends) with other people who fight. I’m going to be fighting here soon. You’re a joke. Anyone that is serious about training would train at a gym. And if there wasn’t a gym nearby they would move near one that trained fighters. Everyone laughs at your posts or ignores them. You shouldn’t be posting any advice.

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iron claws please shut up before you make our country look any more stupid.

saying you spar and train harder than some one over the internet is not only a childish pissing contest but also a baseless claim formed around an egotistic ironclad bias about how awesome you believe yourself to be now that your delusions of grandeur have fully manifested, and your arbitrary perception of your training difficulty

“building up” the legs isnt going to soften blows. a kick to a large muscle group full of nerve endings is always going to hurt, bigger quads makes a bigger target not a more resilient one. what do you think is actually hurting?

normally i just read what you put here because i get a perverse laugh out of your comments which seem as if they were crafted by a delusional 16 year old, but the fact your saying most of your advice is sound makes me want to bang my head against a wall

god damn go chop some wood

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Yeah, and a boxer having built up abs/midsection doesn’t provide any protection, cause it hurts just as much to get punched in the abs as a de-conditioned gut, there’s no point for boxers to have built up abs, it doesn’t provide protection, it just provides a bigger target to punch.

Except that’s bullshit and you’re an idiot to say the same thing about the leg in relation to the quad.

Anyone who says having built up quads is worthless for a fighter because they are a bigger “target” are skinny pathetic little women, who have skinny pathetic little legs, and don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about. That or top heavy morons too lazy to train the legs.

I bet that most people who say having built up quads don’t protect against blows to the leg are the people who never had anything but pathetic and skinny legs to begin with.

No one with a quad worth talking about would ever say that.

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You can offer a reasonable explanation for how the quad doesn’t protect the leg something better than your pathetic and vague commentary on “nerve endings” and muscle “hurting the same” when it gets hit. Something a little bit more convincing and less retarded than “the quad makes a bigger target if you build it up”

Offer some reasonable explanation or shut the fuck up already.

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[quote]IronClaws wrote:

Anyone who says having built up quads is worthless for a fighter because they are a bigger “target” are skinny pathetic little women, who have skinny pathetic little legs, and don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about. That or top heavy morons too lazy to train the legs.
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No one said having built up quads is worthless for a fighter…don’t butcher the words of others. However…saying built up quads protect from damage of leg kicks is a stretch…not a complete fallacy…BUT muscle isn’t armor…especially with the major nerves that run through your legs.

I just said it…and trust me…I’m probably more bottom heavy than most here…lol. On that note…instead of thinking of building up the quads(why just quads anyways?) for protection…better focus should be for the reason of athletic performance…movement…and explosiveness. Regardless of how “built” your quads are… I guarantee tissue work(foam roller,massage) and flexibility training will do more to deal with leg kicks…than just “simply” building up your quads.

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feisty today eh?

abdominals stretch from the zyphoid process and ribs down to the hips
they are there to protect your organs and keep you upright

big squads or any Big muscle isnt exactly useful for fighting
being ‘developed’ isnt exactly

the few times I spent doing any kind of striking
getting a leg kick to your lower legs or right on your thigh
is kind of debilitating.

and usually after that not only was I hobbling around
but I had no lateral movement
zero head movement
and dropped my hands

but please continue
oh great hunter of the north-

tell us exactly how this works in your
Isolated woodstove warmed trailer
you share with your methadone family
tell us how your gathered around the
stove warming bear fat to eat with your
cache smoked canadian bacon

tell us how sparring in the big woods has given you such profane insight
into anatatomy and fighting

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“No one said having built up quads is worthless for a fighter…don’t butcher the words of others.”

Some have mentioned that it’s not worthwhile because they provide a “bigger target” which is just short of brain-dead comment to make.

“However…saying built up quads protect from damage of leg kicks is a stretch…not a complete fallacy…BUT muscle isn’t armor…especially with the major nerves that run through your legs.”

It’s not a stretch, at all. It might be improperly worded because the muscle tissue will absorb the damage instead of your leg, joint, tendon, ligament, or etc. Muscle isn’t like body-armor but it does work to protect the body in a much lesser way.

Also, I don’t mean just the quads but the entire structure of the legs as a whole. A smart leg training program would include flexibility training, you don’t squat deep and heavy, high rep, progressively without really good flexibility.

Anyway, I’m sure we can all agree high rep squats which build up the entire legs, including the bone, musculature, tendons and ligaments would provide some protection to the legs versus blows against them, in much the same way that abs provide protection to the structures beneath them. The abs may be more important because what’s under-neath is potentially easier to damage, but the idea is the same.

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“big squads or any Big muscle isnt exactly useful for fighting”

Except depending on what produces the large musculature, what it’s a response to the body actually doing, does in-fact potentially make large muscles useful for fighting.

the large back muscles and abdominal muscles of professional boxers do indeed help them, in combat. It just depends whether or not the muscles are functional in a real world setting. Any large muscle that helps you punch will be useful for fighting, a large muscle built by punching again and again for example.

The serratus anterior of some boxers is really built up for repeated big swings, they are more adept at punching do to these “large” muscles of the back, abs, torso, do to the build up.

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[quote]IronClaws wrote:
Yeah, and a boxer having built up abs/midsection doesn’t provide any protection, cause it hurts just as much to get punched in the abs as a de-conditioned gut, there’s no point for boxers to have built up abs, it doesn’t provide protection, it just provides a bigger target to punch.

Except that’s bullshit and you’re an idiot to say the same thing about the leg in relation to the quad.

Anyone who says having built up quads is worthless for a fighter because they are a bigger “target” are skinny pathetic little women, who have skinny pathetic little legs, and don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about. That or top heavy morons too lazy to train the legs.

I bet that most people who say having built up quads don’t protect against blows to the leg are the people who never had anything but pathetic and skinny legs to begin with.

No one with a quad worth talking about would ever say that.

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great now not only are you stupid but sexist as well.

any way thank you for opening my eyes to the fact that im a skinny little weakling ya know i thought i was doing ok at 5’8" 205lbs with a 435 squat and a 27 inch thigh but i guess i just wave these skinny little bitch legs that havnt developed enough musculature to absorb kicks at will, i mean obviously i just need to do leg extensions until my nerve endings are so encased in muscle i can deflect bullets with a pair of thighs like golden glazed polygonal hams that ironclaws would surely validate me by doting over

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My only point was that the quads through strength training and other types of training like flexibility and through strikes against them, can build up to withstand strikes that would have previously made them uncomfortable. That is a REASONABLE conclusion. Build up the legs through various exercise, build up the flexibility, take smashes to them through training and one day your legs will be able to weather strikes that months or years ago would have had you hobbling.

Ab work helps protect the abs, and through sparring and medicine ball smashes, you can make that musculature a little bit more resilient. That’s all I have really claimed here in relation to the legs and striking.

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[quote]IronClaws wrote:

“However…saying built up quads protect from damage of leg kicks is a stretch…not a complete fallacy…BUT muscle isn’t armor…especially with the major nerves that run through your legs.”

It’s not a stretch, at all. It might be improperly worded because the muscle tissue will absorb the damage instead of your leg, joint, tendon, ligament, or etc. Muscle isn’t like body-armor but it does work to protect the body in a much lesser way.

Also, I don’t mean just the quads but the entire structure of the legs as a whole. A smart leg training program would include flexibility training, you don’t squat deep and heavy, high rep, progressively without really good flexibility.

Anyway, I’m sure we can all agree high rep squats which build up the entire legs, including the bone, musculature, tendons and ligaments would provide some protection to the legs versus blows against them, in much the same way that abs provide protection to the structures beneath them. The abs may be more important because what’s under-neath is potentially easier to damage, but the idea is the same.

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Come on dude…I usually give ppl benefit of doubt and try to have logical debate…but you’re pulling this stuff out of your ass. I’m sorry…first of all…the quads will protect tendons…ligaments…to a degree. I will give you that. BUT what you fail to see(and this shows that you either new to training…don’t train…or just dense)…is that no amount of muscle is going to protect the nerves running inside/outside of your thighs.

Yes…impact will be absorbed by the muscle at times…but this is depending on the kick itself. I’ve had guys in front of me that catch me with a kick that hurts…but just the muscle itself. No big deal(but still not taking them repeatedly!). But the guy that really turns his hip over and digs the shin in will catch the nerves. NO AMOUNT of high rep squats…squats and milk…whatever is going to keep your leg from locking up from the nerve being attacked.

Even if it’s just the muscle…you take repeated blows…the damage will escalate to were you won’t have any normal movement…and run risk of permanent damage. Blood clot(which I almost died from myself)…blood toxicity issues from dead tissue…etc…etc. Dude give us something to work with…because what you are presenting is very…very simple-minded.

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I am not quite certain that the statement does is sexist, as I never made a claim about women as a group in general, just that the people making X claim were probably skinny pathetic women. None the less I suppose it was a rude and stupid thing to say as many women take their leg training seriously and wouldn’t make such absurd comments about the quads not providing resistance. I apologize to anyone I offended with that off-handed and poorly thought out comment. I should only have mentioned that the people making these claims about the quads, are the people who don’t take quad and strength training seriously to begin with.

Alright westdale, that is an impressive squat and an impressive size for a leg. Hats off to your impressive leg training and progress. That being said:

Are you telling me that if your leg was 1/3rd the size, and you could only squat 150 for reps that your leg would be as resilient against blows as they are now? Seriously, if your legs are that built up, you must realize the bone, musculature, tendon and ligaments in your legs could withstand certain blows that might break another man’s leg, might crack their bone or damage their joint?

If you have legs like you claim, then you simply KNOW better.

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Anyone who says having built up quads is worthless for a fighter because they are a bigger “target” are skinny pathetic little women, who have skinny pathetic little legs, and don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about.

you sad it not me

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[quote]IronClaws wrote:
My only point was that the quads through strength training and other types of training like flexibility and through strikes against them, can build up to withstand strikes that would have previously made them uncomfortable. That is a REASONABLE conclusion. Build up the legs through various exercise, build up the flexibility, take smashes to them through training and one day your legs will be able to weather strikes that months or years ago would have had you hobbling.

Ab work helps protect the abs, and through sparring and medicine ball smashes, you can make that musculature a little bit more resilient. That’s all I have really claimed here in relation to the legs and striking.[/quote]

Dude…some of what you say are reasonable conclusions…BUT this is contradicting what you originally stated. You were solely focused on the idea that building up the quads alone will protect you. I applaud your effort…really…but it was too much of an effort…because some things are easier said and explained when you’re actually a person applying these things.

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we all know the femur is very strong in terms of my leg surviving an impact that would break a skinnier leg yes maybe that situation might arise in a car accident but once were talking the force required to break it i think the difference would be negligible. but in terms of blows to the leg in a combat setting i just dont see it. the nerves are still transmitting pain and the muscle still feels dead and unresponsive.

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It was an out of line offensive comment to make esp because so many women take their leg training so seriously. An off the hand remark that I made in the heat of the moment, I do know better than that, so shouldn’t have made the comment and I do feel bad for it. (Again it wasn’t a commentary on all women so I’d hesitate to call it sexist, but certainly stupid, out of line, and rude). Yeah, I made a backwards ass-clown of a statement, I’m not going to sit here and defend it because I know it was wrong and stupid. Moving ON:

My point was that people who do leg training know that it conditions and protects the legs against blows, esp a leg strengthening program designed to do so.

westdale:
The force to break a leg depends upon the leg in question, what angle the leg is at, what kind of weight is being applied to the leg at the time, what kind of muscle is protecting the leg, the health of the leg, and about a million other factors you’re not going to casually account for in a theoretical “what if”

I’ve seen people break an arm or a leg simply by tripping because they weren’t large boned people, and they didn’t drink a lot of milk. Obviously the force it takes to break the leg of a 16 year old in poor health is a lot different than the force it takes to break a larged boned healthy adult.

Once the force is applied to “break a leg” it makes no difference if your leg is built up or weak because the force must be so great is a fallacy. A bad FALLACY, at that. Because two bones aren’t always the same strength, esp not the bones of someone who does high rep squats or leg conditioning. It does not take the same force to break all legs.

Secondly, we aren’t just talking about the force to break a leg but to damage a leg without much muscle on it, there’s a lot of room to damage a leg outside of BREAKING IT, that conditioned, strong muscles can protect against. Including the twisting of a knee or etc.

No one is denying that a muscle will feel dead and unresponsive when it’s kicked with force, just that having the muscle there to help negate the blow is better than having a skinny to normal sized leg which would still have to absorb the blow, all the same. Having abs doesn’t negate the force of punches, it just helps, in the same way a built up leg will.

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I can tell you right now…that even Ubereem himself isn’t going to let me tee off on his leg…cause he knows what it can do damage-wise. Granted I’m not throwing lazy kicks…and hitting with my foot(which makes difference with what damage is being made). In that instance my built up quads,etc is going to allow me to run…because I’m not letting Alistar kick me back!!

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Since I’m getting looked over…I will just say this:

In regards to difference in leg musculature development of fighters…it might make a difference in how soon the damage takes a toll(and that’s not factoring in the attacking person’s ability to give damage). THAT’S IT. End of story. If you train(and actually spar)…fight…this shouldn’t even be a drawn out debate,imo.

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I can agree with those last two posts.

I will also just mention a lot of the time in a fight you are taking a glancing blow or if not that, then a blow in which some of the force has been mitigated, a kick may be thrown without proper technique, it may be thrown without a lot of power, you may be moving away or into the kick in such a way that they end up hitting with the kick in a less than ideal position, so like you mention, how long that takes to build up on someone is probably different if your legs are conditioned vs not conditioned.

It’s not only the force of direct blasts that come into play, another situation is how wobbly your legs may get half-way through a fight, if your legs are really tired and wobbly due to fighting and then you have to take blows to them, you might find yourself with a leg twisting under you as you fall or whatever, or that the leg may give out earlier than it would have otherwise.