QOTW New Years's Eve 2008

[quote]Professor X wrote:

There was a kid at my gym a few days ago doing that. He came in apparently to ONLY do abs. He would do leg raises from the pull up bar (because it is in the center of the gym so he can be seen better) and then run all of the way to the mirror (about 30 feet away) to raise his shirt up. He did this about 5 times and then left.[/quote]

I have you sooo beat on this! There is a skrawny guy that comes into my gym and sits on the decline benches in front of the mirrors. Typically these are used for decline DB press, or incline situps with weight, etc…this guy comes over (wearing a tapout shirt) and lifts the bottom of his shirt up and tucks it through the neck of the shirt (you know, like girls used to do…) then starts doing incline situps while making sure the shirt doesn’t come untide and just watches his abs as he does his situps.

Btw he probably weighs like 120 lbs…

[quote]Vicomte wrote:
I’m sick of people acting like their way is the right fucking way. There is no right way. There is no wrong way. [/quote]

so the only right way, is to think there is no right way or wrong way. yeah, that makes perfect sense…

:wink:

I enjoy making fun of emo kids, fresh-to-death gangstas (not to be confused with the real ones), and the american eagle/aero/a&f crowd to name only a few.

I don’t have to think someones way is “wrong” to bust chops.
I do it in a light-hearted manner, so nobody gets their delicate metro feelings hurt (there I go again!).

and I’m not alone, review the “squat rack curls” thread, for example.

[quote]Vicomte wrote:

I do what I do for myself and myself alone, as do you, and, well, pretty much everyone. And that makes us all equally worthy. That’s what I’m getting at.

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That was so “We Are the World” I think I can feel Disney twisting in his grave.

[quote]RSGZ wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
Am I what’s wrong with the world today because I may not fit someone’s idea of what a man is or should like? Is Beyonce fat or hot? Is the media doing this to me?

You wear make-up and paint your nails, that’s not normal for a guy.

Are you a closet cross-dresser too?[/quote]

And training with heavy weights and obsessing about nutrition and watching guys pose on stage flexing their muscles in speedos and whatever else we do here isn’t considered ‘normal for a guy’ in most circles, either.

Are you a closet gay as well? Vain and insecure?

[quote]Vicomte wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
Am I what’s wrong with the world today because I may not fit someone’s idea of what a man is or should like? Is Beyonce fat or hot? Is the media doing this to me?

You wear make-up and paint your nails, that’s not normal for a guy.

Are you a closet cross-dresser too?

And training with heavy weights and obsessing about nutrition and watching guys pose on stage flexing their muscles in speedos and whatever else we do here isn’t considered ‘normal for a guy’ in most circles, either.

Are you a closet gay as well? Vain and insecure?

[/quote]

Dude, relax. If you want to go into the military wearing makeup and painting your nails, that is YOUR business.

I recommend the Marines.

[quote]miroku333 wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
I’m sick of people acting like their way is the right fucking way. There is no right way. There is no wrong way.

so the only right way, is to think there is no right way or wrong way. yeah, that makes perfect sense…

:wink:

I enjoy making fun of emo kids, fresh-to-death gangstas (not to be confused with the real ones), and the american eagle/aero/a&f crowd to name only a few.

I don’t have to think someones way is “wrong” to bust chops.
I do it in a light-hearted manner, so nobody gets their delicate metro feelings hurt (there I go again!).

and I’m not alone, review the “squat rack curls” thread, for example.[/quote]

I’m with you on that!

On topic, I lift for myself and no one else. I want to get bigger and stronger and I don’t know when I’ll be satisfied but I know it wont be anytime soon. I have a picture in my mind, an ideal goal I would like to reach and I don’t let anything ANYONE says deter me from that goal. Sometimes I’ll show my GF a picture of a guy built similar to how I’d like to look. Sometimes she thinks its hot, sometimes she thinks its too much. And when she thinks its too much, I just tell her “That sucks, because I’m going to get there.”

I really don’t believe anyone who says chicks don’t dig muscles either. I haven’t met a single girl yet who thinks I looked better when I was skrawny. Besides, men are supposed to be the bigger stronger sex…we are supposed to make women feel protected and safe. I find it really really pathetic that my GF can DB row (with excellent form) more than most of the guys I see in the gym. I’ve even asked some of them (ones that talk to me already) what they can DB row and most of the time my response is “You better get on that shit man, my GF does more than that.”

If someone has the right to do what they want to do for whatever reason, then I have the right to make fun of them for it. No?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Vicomte wrote:

I do what I do for myself and myself alone, as do you, and, well, pretty much everyone. And that makes us all equally worthy. That’s what I’m getting at.

That was so “We Are the World” I think I can feel Disney twisting in his grave.[/quote]

You do this all the time, X. You completely ignore any substance or argument in a post and focus on some silly statement to make fun of. Your ‘At the core, I lift for me. I push myself to see where my own limits are. I LOVE the fact that many women seem to enjoy it too, but if I was alone on this planet, I would probably still be lifting weights.’ is just as patronizingly ‘I am my own man’ bullshit as what I was trying to get across.

I’m not saying we’re all equals, I’m saying what we do and like has equal bearing. I’m not saying we should all get along, I’m saying you shouldn’t be so ignorant as to not realize that you aren’t special. It’s not ‘We Are The World’ so much as ‘X Isn’t a Special Snowflake, and Neither Is Anyone Else’. We’re not all the same be we are all neutral if we do things because it’s what we want for ourselves.

Kind of like what you said, except I’m not focusing on women’s opinions of what I do.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
Am I what’s wrong with the world today because I may not fit someone’s idea of what a man is or should like? Is Beyonce fat or hot? Is the media doing this to me?

You wear make-up and paint your nails, that’s not normal for a guy.

Are you a closet cross-dresser too?

And training with heavy weights and obsessing about nutrition and watching guys pose on stage flexing their muscles in speedos and whatever else we do here isn’t considered ‘normal for a guy’ in most circles, either.

Are you a closet gay as well? Vain and insecure?

Dude, relax. If you want to go into the military wearing makeup and painting your nails, that is YOUR business.

I recommend the Marines.[/quote]

I’m perfectly calm. I can’t point out how silly RSGZ’s comment is?

I like the Marines as well.

[quote]Vicomte wrote:
Are you a closet gay as well? Vain and insecure?
[/quote]

Not gay, definitely not vain though I used to be slightly insecure.

[quote]Vicomte wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Vicomte wrote:

I do what I do for myself and myself alone, as do you, and, well, pretty much everyone. And that makes us all equally worthy. That’s what I’m getting at.

That was so “We Are the World” I think I can feel Disney twisting in his grave.

You do this all the time, X. You completely ignore any substance or argument in a post and focus on some silly statement to make fun of. Your ‘At the core, I lift for me. I push myself to see where my own limits are. I LOVE the fact that many women seem to enjoy it too, but if I was alone on this planet, I would probably still be lifting weights.’ is just as patronizingly ‘I am my own man’ bullshit as what I was trying to get across.

I’m not saying we’re all equals, I’m saying what we do and like has equal bearing. I’m not saying we should all get along, I’m saying you shouldn’t be so ignorant as to not realize that you aren’t special. It’s not ‘We Are The World’ so much as ‘X Isn’t a Special Snowflake, and Neither Is Anyone Else’. We’re not all the same be we are all neutral if we do things because it’s what we want for ourselves.

Kind of like what you said, except I’m not focusing on women’s opinions of what I do.

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The question is whether many of these people are actually doing it for themselves. I thought I made that clear.

If some personal trainer claims that he stays smaller and has a six pack so he can sleep with “insert socially hawt girl here” (as if all women like the way he looks), I begin questioning whether he actually trains for himself at all when that is all he talks about.

Again, you can be who you want to be. I WILL make fun of you because you put yourself out there as a target with that makeup statement, but that in itself doesn’t mean I have no respect for you at all.

I have never held the sentiment that I am a “special snowflake”, but I do know that I am not average and I am not ashamed to state as much. Likewise, my goals are not average.

That doesn’t mean I expect everyone to have the same goals. However, I am still going to notice those who seem to be growing in number who have being mediocre as their actual life goal. As a society that can actually make us weaker.

I applaud the fact that you are thinking about the military. I’ve been there. I also know that if these “hawt abs” boys are our future, we are up shit’s creek if we ever have to rely on these little bitches for our “salvation”.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
Am I what’s wrong with the world today because I may not fit someone’s idea of what a man is or should like? Is Beyonce fat or hot? Is the media doing this to me?

You wear make-up and paint your nails, that’s not normal for a guy.

Are you a closet cross-dresser too?

And training with heavy weights and obsessing about nutrition and watching guys pose on stage flexing their muscles in speedos and whatever else we do here isn’t considered ‘normal for a guy’ in most circles, either.

Are you a closet gay as well? Vain and insecure?

Dude, relax. If you want to go into the military wearing makeup and painting your nails, that is YOUR business.

I recommend the Marines.[/quote]

LOL. x2. The drill instructors loooove the emo types.

[quote]Vicomte wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
People have been decrying the ‘good ole days’ schtick since they could communicate. It’s expected, but entirely prosaic. I think we can do better.

I happen to wear makeup and think Beyonce is attractive. I’ve never done a hawt abz pose, nor would I, but I own a very stylish jacket I wear as occasion permits. My father was never a major fixture in my life, but I pick heavy things up off the floor and eat bloody steaks. I want to join the military as a grunt, and I also paint my nails, which, unfortunately, are mutually exclusive activities.

Am I a ‘real man’? A metrosexual with his head in the clouds? Am I what’s wrong with the world today because I may not fit someone’s idea of what a man is or should like? Is Beyonce fat or hot? Is the media doing this to me?

That’s all bullshit. Who gives a fuck if others are doing something you don’t like? I’m sick of people acting like their way is the right fucking way. There is no right way. There is no wrong way. And it’s incredibly condescending to assume that even the most flaming metrosexual Beyonce-hating douchebag doesn’t have reasons for what he does other than to get bitches and because the media told him so. And it works both ways.

You people are so narrow-minded sometimes. It’s almost annoying.

Almost.

I could care less if you wear make-up in and of itself (even though I find that strange). We are talking about things on a grander scale than just you.

This is a bodybuilding/weightlifting website where most of us are trying to get “better” in some way. It is the ones who are here with the absolute minimum in terms of physical goals who think “hawt abs” are the ticket to getting laid by all women that we are discussing along with whatever makes a grown man look at someone like Beyonce and think “obesity”.

I’m speaking on a grander scale as well, but the bigger picture has a basis in individuals like you and me. We are all trying to become physically ‘better’ here, certainly, but that includes the hawt abs kids. They don’t have the same goals as the bodybuilders, but neither do the powerlifters and they don’t get flamed to shit around here. Abs will get you laid by some women; as will muscles. Not all women like muscles and not all women like abs. It has nothing to do with what a man is, or an emasculated society. Some people think Beyonce is fat, just like a weightlifter like you thinks the hawt abs kid is scrawny. Is Beyonce fat? Not exactly. She carries more fat than some women, but she’s not exactly fat. Is hawt abz kid scrawny? Not exactly, but he definitely doesn’t have as much muscle as a bodybuilder. Some people here don’t like the pendulum swung so far away so they swing it too far toward themselves. It doesn’t make people idiots or lesser men to hold different views. I find the desire to be as muscular as possible a bit strange myself, but I won’t condescend to say it’s wrong or crazy, and I also wouldn’t deign to assume anyone with that goal ‘does it for the chicks’.

I do what I do for myself and myself alone, as do you, and, well, pretty much everyone. And that makes us all equally worthy. That’s what I’m getting at.

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So relatively speaking we’re all winners?

I think we can recognize that everyone does not share the same objectives or opinions about being better bigger, stronger, or better looking. Everyone has their own desires, and their entitlement to their own opinions. It’s a free world… We’re all equal…

But honestly, Conan is awesome, and he will single-mindedly drive a battle axe into the faces of all who disagree.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Vicomte wrote:

I do what I do for myself and myself alone, as do you, and, well, pretty much everyone. And that makes us all equally worthy. That’s what I’m getting at.

That was so “We Are the World” I think I can feel Disney twisting in his grave.

You do this all the time, X. You completely ignore any substance or argument in a post and focus on some silly statement to make fun of. Your ‘At the core, I lift for me. I push myself to see where my own limits are. I LOVE the fact that many women seem to enjoy it too, but if I was alone on this planet, I would probably still be lifting weights.’ is just as patronizingly ‘I am my own man’ bullshit as what I was trying to get across.

I’m not saying we’re all equals, I’m saying what we do and like has equal bearing. I’m not saying we should all get along, I’m saying you shouldn’t be so ignorant as to not realize that you aren’t special. It’s not ‘We Are The World’ so much as ‘X Isn’t a Special Snowflake, and Neither Is Anyone Else’. We’re not all the same be we are all neutral if we do things because it’s what we want for ourselves.

Kind of like what you said, except I’m not focusing on women’s opinions of what I do.

The question is whether many of these people are actually doing it for themselves. I thought I made that clear.

If some personal trainer claims that he stays smaller and has a six pack so he can sleep with “insert socially hawt girl here” (as if all women like the way he looks), I begin questioning whether he actually trains for himself at all when that is all he talks about.

Again, you can be who you want to be. I WILL make fun of you because you put yourself out there as a target with that makeup statement, but that in itself doesn’t mean I have no respect for you at all.

I have never held the sentiment that I am a “special snowflake”, but I do know that I am not average and I am not ashamed to state as much. Likewise, my goals are not average.

That doesn’t mean I expect everyone to have the same goals. However, I am still going to notice those who seem to be growing in number who have being mediocre as their actual life goal. As a society that can actually make us weaker.

I applaud the fact that you are thinking about the military. I’ve been there. I also know that if these “hawt abs” boys are our future, we are up shit’s creek if we ever have to rely on these little bitches for our “salvation”.[/quote]

I’m saying that we don’t know if they are doing what they do for themselves, but it’s entirely likely. Perhaps they just like having hawt abs. They do seem to like looking at them in the mirrors. It’s not a great goal but it’s a training goal and that’s something.

I think of myself as not average as well, but so does every mediocre joe six-pack who does situps for girls. Maybe we are different, maybe not. I at least allow for the idea that I’m just like everyone else, even if I believe differently. I like to think that bit of self-awareness is what sets me apart, if anything.

And feel free to make fun of me because I said I wear make-up. Just don’t tell me to relax when I make fun of someone for whatever they do. We can all say and believe what we like, but being a hypocrite is never cool.

And possibly the most important thing I’m saying is that just because something seems strange doesn’t mean it isn’t backed by something solid. Who knows, maybe hawt abs boy will save us all one day. Or make-up guy.

[quote]Vicomte wrote:

And possibly the most important thing I’m saying is that just because something seems strange doesn’t mean it isn’t backed by something solid. Who knows, maybe hawt abs boy will save us all one day. Or make-up guy.[/quote]

You heard it here.

This is our SALVATION.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Vicomte wrote:

And possibly the most important thing I’m saying is that just because something seems strange doesn’t mean it isn’t backed by something solid. Who knows, maybe hawt abs boy will save us all one day. Or make-up guy.

You heard it here.

This is our SALVATION.[/quote]

For the record, I look nothing like that ponce.

I’m special. Like a snowflake.

[quote]jonesk wrote:

So relatively speaking we’re all winners?

[/quote]

Nope.

Some people are better than others. We aren’t all equal.

It sucks. It may not be fair. But it’s true.

Best anyone can do is work with what they got.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Vicomte wrote:

And possibly the most important thing I’m saying is that just because something seems strange doesn’t mean it isn’t backed by something solid. Who knows, maybe hawt abs boy will save us all one day. Or make-up guy.

You heard it here.

This is our SALVATION.[/quote]

Hahahaha, I LOL’d!

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Vicomte wrote:

And possibly the most important thing I’m saying is that just because something seems strange doesn’t mean it isn’t backed by something solid. Who knows, maybe hawt abs boy will save us all one day. Or make-up guy.

You heard it here.

This is our SALVATION.[/quote]

he’s going to seduce Americas enemies, empty their bank accounts, and make them commit suicide when they realized he’s not a woman.

side note, i think the vast majority of people get into working out of some sort to impress the opposite sex (i.e., "doing it for someone else). where they go from there is up in the air. but i think its a bit hypocritical for us to criticize the current younger generation for it, when most (if not all) of us were in the same place at one time.

[quote]Vicomte wrote:
We can all say and believe what we like, but being a hypocrite is never cool.

[/quote]

what if I believe being a hypocrite is cool?

enough with the contradictory statements already!