Q&A with Shadow Pro

[quote]Uncreative123 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

Yeah I’m just running nolvadex right now, saving the hcg for after. I always look really flat in the morning when I first take pics. I know I still have a lot of things to work on and fat to lose and not enough time to do it all. I have no delusions of winning- I just want to place and do better than the last show, then take time off and focus on November and using/utilizing everything I’ve learned to really feel like I belong and have a chance at winning. I’ve learned so much over the last month and gotten even more in tune with my body. It’s unreal. I’ll keep you updated all the way up to the show. [/quote]

You do look drier and fuller here, I am still sticking to my original recommendation though. Just keep it simple and don’t fuck around with water and sodium too much.

You have a great attitude and your head is in the right place. I’m sure you’ll do well in the future.

[quote]alvertos wrote:
shadow which Pro competing or retired has get the most gifts in placements?and the opposite who is/was placing lower than he deserved all the time?
i follow pro bodybuilding since 1997 and i have seen some crazy shit judging over the years…
ofcourse i only look at pics and videos i live in greece and sometimes seeing things live makes a hell of a difference,but 2007 Mr O i think vic first,wolf second and dex third was the way to go.
i have no favorite guy . i am not a jay or kai or anyones fan i just want the best man to win!
it would be nice for a change!fantastic article about judging criteria by the way.[/quote]

Good question!

When you mentioned this, the first name that popped into my head was Mark Alvisi back in the day when he was doing well regardless of his shitty condition! He needs to thank god for Gaspari.
Steve Kuclo in Dallas last year and Brazil this year.
Victor should have been mr.O in 2007, I agree.
Jay got a little gift last year.
Kevin English has had his fair share of gifts.
I could go on and on… But for the guys who get screwed…
I think flex wheeler should have at least 1 Olympia title.
In my opinion Kai could have best Phil a few times but all know that won’t ever happen.
Essa obiad, Michael kefalianos and Robert piotrkowicz always get screwed. I guess that might have to do with where they’re from and their poor English.

There was a recent article I wrote published here about the judging and politics in bodybuilding, you can check it out in the article section here.

[quote]dutchie1 wrote:

[quote]alvertos wrote:
shadow which Pro competing or retired has get the most gifts in placements?and the opposite who is/was placing lower than he deserved all the time?
i follow pro bodybuilding since 1997 and i have seen some crazy shit judging over the years…
ofcourse i only look at pics and videos i live in greece and sometimes seeing things live makes a hell of a difference,but 2007 Mr O i think vic first,wolf second and dex third was the way to go.
i have no favorite guy . i am not a jay or kai or anyones fan i just want the best man to win!
it would be nice for a change!fantastic article about judging criteria by the way.[/quote]

I don’t follow pro bodybuilding closely anymore but i’m pretty sure politics were involved … i know for a fact if ramy gets his calves up he’s gonna be a a huge (literally) threat to phil next year[/quote]

Politics are always involved, it’s down to a deep and disgusting level in this sport… Unfortunately! But, bodybuilding is what it is, a subjective sport that we choose to do so complaining won’t get us anywhere. Without a union or some kind of unity between the athletes nothing will change. It’s a lonely sport where everyone is out for themselves.

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]dutchie1 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

That’s interesting. 6-8oz of red meat 2 hrs pre workout- I would think that the time it takes to digest could negatively effect your intra workout nutrition? Any specific cuts you stick to for this meal?

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]dutchie1 wrote:

[quote]alvertos wrote:
shadow which Pro competing or retired has get the most gifts in placements?and the opposite who is/was placing lower than he deserved all the time?
i follow pro bodybuilding since 1997 and i have seen some crazy shit judging over the years…
ofcourse i only look at pics and videos i live in greece and sometimes seeing things live makes a hell of a difference,but 2007 Mr O i think vic first,wolf second and dex third was the way to go.
i have no favorite guy . i am not a jay or kai or anyones fan i just want the best man to win!
it would be nice for a change!fantastic article about judging criteria by the way.[/quote]

I don’t follow pro bodybuilding closely anymore but i’m pretty sure politics were involved … i know for a fact if ramy gets his calves up he’s gonna be a a huge (literally) threat to phil next year[/quote]

Politics are always involved, it’s down to a deep and disgusting level in this sport… Unfortunately! But, bodybuilding is what it is, a subjective sport that we choose to do so complaining won’t get us anywhere. Without a union or some kind of unity between the athletes nothing will change. It’s a lonely sport where everyone is out for themselves.
[/quote]

couldn’t have said it any better, too bad thats the sad truth … heard too many stories of young guys aspiring to be famous bodybuilders but hit the hard wall of reality

Hey shadow,

Came up with a question about a subject you talked about but you didn’t specify one thing.

You mentioned switching compounds every 6-12 weeks (depending on ester) can increase gains when progress stalls due to tolerance.

Is this exclusively true to compounds or could one switch ester of the same compound midway through the cycle and get some form of better results or less side effects?

Hi sir. I was wondering what’s your take on using Deca during the off-season at a dose only for joint support. Do any pros actually do this? I am not a big fan of Deca, and much rather using other anabolics to grow on. Test/Tren is my favourite, but since I tend to get so strong and stay rather dry at the same time my joints begin to bother me. Would using deca at a low dose help significantly? Or do you think it’s just a waste and more taxing on the body? If it is beneficial to a significant degree what dose do you recommend per week if the only purpose from using deca is to help the joints.

Also wanted to ask you some stuff about pre-contest. What is your philosophy on cutting out certain things 1-4 weeks before a show. For example, I know some people stop taking test 2 weeks before the show and stop all injectables a week out and only run orals up to the day of the show. While others take everything including test up until and through the show day.

In addition, do you think using Letro over Adex will help come in much drier for pre-contest? If so, when do you recommend making the switch from Adex to Letro pre-contest and would 2.5mg ED suffice?

Lastly, which diuretic do you think is the safest to use in terms of both effectiveness and safety for the body? I’ve heard that a lot of guys go flat on Aldactone, therefore I am a bit paranoid to use it. I’ve only used dyazide myself, but last time it made me too flat. I might have over done it though. Not sure if I should switch to something else for the next show.

Thanks again for your help.

[quote]Tweeder wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]dutchie1 wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

That’s interesting. 6-8oz of red meat 2 hrs pre workout- I would think that the time it takes to digest could negatively effect your intra workout nutrition? Any specific cuts you stick to for this meal?[/quote]

Sorry, I meant to write 3 hours. I always pick a very lean cut of meat and I’ve never had any kind of issues.
Something like a flank steak, top round or eye of round would work. This is why it doesn’t effects my insulin shot because the fat content is so low and it’s 2.5-3hrs before my insulin shot so it doesn’t effect my intraworkout.

[quote]dutchie1 wrote:
Hey shadow,

Came up with a question about a subject you talked about but you didn’t specify one thing.

You mentioned switching compounds every 6-12 weeks (depending on ester) can increase gains when progress stalls due to tolerance.

Is this exclusively true to compounds or could one switch ester of the same compound midway through the cycle and get some form of better results or less side effects?

[/quote]

It usually works better with different compounds but here’s something similar I do if I want to stay on the same substance… I’ll slowly taper down the short ester and introduce the long ester. So, technically for about 2 weeks you would have both in your system. I found that this switch can help you stay on a specific compound for longer without losing efficiency. So what you suggested will work to an extent.

[quote]Wayacrucis wrote:
Hi sir. I was wondering what’s your take on using Deca during the off-season at a dose only for joint support. Do any pros actually do this? I am not a big fan of Deca, and much rather using other anabolics to grow on. Test/Tren is my favourite, but since I tend to get so strong and stay rather dry at the same time my joints begin to bother me. Would using deca at a low dose help significantly? Or do you think it’s just a waste and more taxing on the body? If it is beneficial to a significant degree what dose do you recommend per week if the only purpose from using deca is to help the joints.

Also wanted to ask you some stuff about pre-contest. What is your philosophy on cutting out certain things 1-4 weeks before a show. For example, I know some people stop taking test 2 weeks before the show and stop all injectables a week out and only run orals up to the day of the show. While others take everything including test up until and through the show day.

In addition, do you think using Letro over Adex will help come in much drier for pre-contest? If so, when do you recommend making the switch from Adex to Letro pre-contest and would 2.5mg ED suffice?

Lastly, which diuretic do you think is the safest to use in terms of both effectiveness and safety for the body? I’ve heard that a lot of guys go flat on Aldactone, therefore I am a bit paranoid to use it. I’ve only used dyazide myself, but last time it made me too flat. I might have over done it though. Not sure if I should switch to something else for the next show.

Thanks again for your help. [/quote]

Staying on about 400mg/week of deca will help your joints… How much it will help is individual but it will definitely do something even at a low dose. If you have joint issues I would go with this.

My philosophy on pre contest is that it’s very individual and changes from show to show depending on your condition, diet, how run down your body is and so on. Some shows I cut test at 2 weeks out and other times I kept it until 2 days out, sometimes I used only orals in the last week and others I used tren and masteron up until the day before the show. It also depends on what kind of look you want to bring in regards to fullness and condition. If condition is my main concern I would generally cut the test out at 2 weeks but if I’m trying to come more full and round i could keep it in up until the show. It’s hard to give you a good answer because there’s so many variables.

Again, the anti-e’s are very individual so if you’re 100% ready then switching the Adex to letrozole won’t make a huge difference but if you’re not and have a tendency to hold a lot of water it might help a bit. If you make this switch only do it in the last week before the show(or your joints and sex drive will be shot) and yes 2.5mg everyday will be enough.

Diazide is the most popular to use amongst the pros. For me, lasix in at a very small dose (20mg) works the best. I hate aldactone, it makes you look flat and fucks up electrolyte balance… I’ll never use it again. The trick with diuretics is not to over do them. Take the minimal amount you need to lose the excess water and anything more than that is a disaster waiting to happen. This is why it’s so important to have an objective eye in the last week because it’s hard to make this call and people usually end up overdoing it because they think more is better.

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]dutchie1 wrote:

[quote]alvertos wrote:
shadow which Pro competing or retired has get the most gifts in placements?and the opposite who is/was placing lower than he deserved all the time?
i follow pro bodybuilding since 1997 and i have seen some crazy shit judging over the years…
ofcourse i only look at pics and videos i live in greece and sometimes seeing things live makes a hell of a difference,but 2007 Mr O i think vic first,wolf second and dex third was the way to go.
i have no favorite guy . i am not a jay or kai or anyones fan i just want the best man to win!
it would be nice for a change!fantastic article about judging criteria by the way.[/quote]

I don’t follow pro bodybuilding closely anymore but i’m pretty sure politics were involved … i know for a fact if ramy gets his calves up he’s gonna be a a huge (literally) threat to phil next year[/quote]

Politics are always involved, it’s down to a deep and disgusting level in this sport… Unfortunately! But, bodybuilding is what it is, a subjective sport that we choose to do so complaining won’t get us anywhere. Without a union or some kind of unity between the athletes nothing will change. It’s a lonely sport where everyone is out for themselves.
[/quote]

i totally agree with everything you wrote,and the article was great as i mentioned earlier…waiting for a new one when you find the time.

whats the difference between synthol,site injections,esiclene?dont you think this shit has ruined many guys?no you cant tell if a muscle is real or not!i know this thing started in 90s, with flex,nasser,i think dillet had it also.

even dex put it in his calves for a contest or two!at least with steroids you build real muscles,i wish guys marked down for this as for the bitch tits.
whats your opinion?

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]dutchie1 wrote:
Hey shadow,

Came up with a question about a subject you talked about but you didn’t specify one thing.

You mentioned switching compounds every 6-12 weeks (depending on ester) can increase gains when progress stalls due to tolerance.

Is this exclusively true to compounds or could one switch ester of the same compound midway through the cycle and get some form of better results or less side effects?

[/quote]

It usually works better with different compounds but here’s something similar I do if I want to stay on the same substance… I’ll slowly taper down the short ester and introduce the long ester. So, technically for about 2 weeks you would have both in your system. I found that this switch can help you stay on a specific compound for longer without losing efficiency. So what you suggested will work to an extent.
[/quote]

you mentioned from long to short ester, could it work the other way around?

a short ester will buildup alot quicker so while the longer ester is still available to an extend the short and long esters are working together for 2ish weeks

You don’t come off often but do you feel like there’s a disadvantage of waiting 3 weeks for a long ester to clear? Switching to a shorter ester one could do PCT sooner and potentially retain slightly more gains?

  1. when do you recommend someone to start switching compounds? as early as a second cycle or should one wait till he’s more experienced?

  2. what compounds do you recommend switching between? Compounds that are similar or entirely different from each other? or it doesn’t really matter

  3. For someone that’s trying out a compound for the first time(tren for example), if side effects would get too hard to handle for them should they try to lower the dose or change the test:tren ratio, suddenly stop taking it or taper it down slowly?

  4. If one stops taking a compound due to side effects is it a good idea to take another compound to replace it so planned gains wouldn’t be halted?

  5. Do you have an opinion on roid calculators (calculators that measure the amount of active substance is in your system every day and how long it should take to buildup)?

Hey Shadow,

Rocking the intra workout carbs from Plazma and added food pre workout (60g oats with a scoop of whey mixed in) and my works have been much better so I appreciate the advice. I had a couple of Q’s I hope you can help me with:

  1. Do you know any bodybuilders or physique athletes with hypothyroid? I ask because I was just diagnosed, explains why I’m having more trouble than usual losing fat this cut and why I put more fat on this last gaining phase.

  2. I know some positive side effects from thyroid medications, I was curious if you knew of ways to use it to my advantage for gaining and cutting?

Thanks for the time!!!

Hi Shadow! What do You think about my cutting plan?

82kg, 171cm

Meal 1
225g chicken breast + 50g basmati rice + 1 apple

Meal 2
225g chicken breat + veggies

Meal 3
225g chicken breast + veggies

Meal 4 ( Pre Workout )
225g chicken breast + 50g basmati rice + veggies

Meal 5 ( whey Shake After training )
50g Whey Protein Shake

Meal 6 ( Post Workout )
225g chicken breast + 50g basmati rice + veggies

Meal 7
250g cottage cheese low fat

TOTAL:
Proteins: 335g
Carbs: 150g
Fats: 12g
CALORIES: ~2100cals

5x week weight training ( 1 body part per week, volume type ), 7x cardio ( 5x 40min after training session, 2x 60min ).

AAS:
Test Prop 40mg ed
Tren Ace 50mg ed
Winny 50mg ed
T3 75mcg ed

Any sugesstions?

Since you’re a big supporter of EQ, do you think that it really helps out the joints/tendons? I’ve been some studies where EQ is said to increase collagen synthesis even slightly more than deca. Aside from Deca, any other AAS that help the joints/tendons to a noticeable degree?

I am guessing Deca’s ability to help the joints stems predominantly from its ability to hold water retention within the joints and tendons?

Would you mind posting to us your typical diet for the day while in off season and also a few weeks/days before a contest? It woulf be really interesting to see how pros REALLY eat, what they eat and how low or how high they go on some macros. It would be great if you wouldnt mind.

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

Just curious of who you are. But keep it undercover then :slight_smile:

-If I can’t handle Tren A, I switch it out with Mast P like you said. So with the use of Test P and Mast P, would you then still go with the same bulking diet you told me, for the Test P and Tren A cycle??:
3800 cals
330g Protein
450g Carbs
75g Fat

-Do you have problem with insomnia on Tren.?? If yes how do you deal with it, if no got any tricks.? :slight_smile:

hey man! i am on my second cycle of test. my first was test e and now im on test p and var. my problem is that both times i have experienced erectile dysfunction while on cycle but im totally fine after i recover. why would this happen? isnt test supposed to make it harder? btw im taking 400mgs a week of prop and 350 of var a week. and i started only three days ago…what should i do or what have i done wrong?

[quote]thor159 wrote:
Would you mind posting to us your typical diet for the day while in off season and also a few weeks/days before a contest? It woulf be really interesting to see how pros REALLY eat, what they eat and how low or how high they go on some macros. It would be great if you wouldnt mind.[/quote]

He already did a couple of pages back.

Sorry yogi i know this is your thing, figured you must be out :wink:

[quote]alvertos wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]dutchie1 wrote:

[quote]alvertos wrote:
shadow which Pro competing or retired has get the most gifts in placements?and the opposite who is/was placing lower than he deserved all the time?
i follow pro bodybuilding since 1997 and i have seen some crazy shit judging over the years…
ofcourse i only look at pics and videos i live in greece and sometimes seeing things live makes a hell of a difference,but 2007 Mr O i think vic first,wolf second and dex third was the way to go.
i have no favorite guy . i am not a jay or kai or anyones fan i just want the best man to win!
it would be nice for a change!fantastic article about judging criteria by the way.[/quote]

I don’t follow pro bodybuilding closely anymore but i’m pretty sure politics were involved … i know for a fact if ramy gets his calves up he’s gonna be a a huge (literally) threat to phil next year[/quote]

Politics are always involved, it’s down to a deep and disgusting level in this sport… Unfortunately! But, bodybuilding is what it is, a subjective sport that we choose to do so complaining won’t get us anywhere. Without a union or some kind of unity between the athletes nothing will change. It’s a lonely sport where everyone is out for themselves.
[/quote]

i totally agree with everything you wrote,and the article was great as i mentioned earlier…waiting for a new one when you find the time.

whats the difference between synthol,site injections,esiclene?dont you think this shit has ruined many guys?no you cant tell if a muscle is real or not!i know this thing started in 90s, with flex,nasser,i think dillet had it also.

even dex put it in his calves for a contest or two!at least with steroids you build real muscles,i wish guys marked down for this as for the bitch tits.
whats your opinion?
[/quote]

I’ll be writing something new very soon, I’ll let you know when it’s out.

They are different substances but all serving the same cause. I don’t think there’s room for these in bodybuilding and it is ruining the sport somewhat. A lot of pros don’t agree with me here, I haven’t used it personally and I think if you can’t earn your muscle through hard work it’s not worth it.

I don’t know about Dexter, I never felt his calves… Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t. Guys are marked down if it’s obviously and others can hide it very well. They are also marked down for bad gyno.